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[00:00:00] Speaker 1: I’ve seen VF a million dollars up.

[00:00:03] Speaker 2: open up two and a half million dollars.

[00:00:05] Speaker 1: What he got on you?

[00:00:07] Speaker 2: Nothing.

[00:00:09] Alex Tsakiris: That’s John Goodman, The Gambler, 2014. And that has to be probably one of the greatest Skeptiko movie clips of all time. And if you are struggling, which you might be once you get to the end of the show, to try and figure out how that fits with my upcoming very excellent interview with Joe Atwill, and our first of what I hope will be an ongoing series of dialogues about Caesar’s Messiah 2.0. Well, if you’re wondering how this fits, well, then you’re probably going to have to keep wondering, here’s a clip from the upcoming interview. I’m not going to legitimize your misrepresentation of the facts by agreeing to disagree.

[00:00:51] Joe Atwill: I don’t like to the point where we simply agree to disagree. If I had a philosophy, it would be the Socratic method. You don’t try to win but you don’t try to shy away from difficult subjects either. I think a lot of times expression is used just because someone either feels they’re going to lose or they aren’t simply dislike the individual that they’re exchanging with. They just want to end the conversation.

[00:01:19] Alex Tsakiris: Okay, and because I’m always about level three, here’s the level three part.

[00:01:24] Speaker 3:

Could you put away?

[00:01:26] Speaker 4: Nothing.

[00:01:28] Speaker 3: You get up two and a half million dollars any asshole in the world knows what to do you get a house with a 25-year roof and indestructible [unclear 1:35] economy shitbox you put the rest into the system of 3 to 5% to pay your taxes and that’s your base, get me? That’s your fortress of fucking solitude. That puts you for the rest of your life at a level of fuck you. Somebody wants you to do something fuck you, boss pisses you off. A wise man’s life is based around fuck you. The United States of America is based on fuck you. You’re a king, you have an army greatest Navy in the history of the world, fuck you blow me. This is the grandson of the 17th richest man in California.

[00:02:08] Speaker 5: Does he drink?

[00:02:09] Speaker 3: What he wants?

[00:02:10] Speaker 4: Have a beer just like anybody else, Thank you.

[00:02:12] Speaker 5: What kind?

[00:02:13] Speaker 4: Any kind.

[00:02:14] Speaker 5: That’s about 37 beers. Don’t fucking put it on me.

[00:02:17] Speaker 3: But he did put it on you miss. What do you want to be able to say to me? Fuck you!

[00:02:31] Alex Tsakiris: Thanks for indulging me. I have a great interview with the excellent Joe Atwill. Welcome to Skeptiko where we explore controversial science and spirituality with leading researchers, thinkers, and their critics. I’m your host, Alex Tsakiris. And today we welcome back Joseph Atwill to Skeptiko. If you’ve listened to this show a little bit, then you know that Joe is one of my favorite guests, somebody I really respect and his really, in some very important ways, has been a significant influence to my worldview, as I’ve been going along and doing these Skeptiko interviews. So Joe, of course, is the author of Caesar’s Messiah,