Actress and comedy icon Julia Louis-Dreyfus feels a tad hopeful (but not really) about being Conan O’Brien’s friend.

On the season finale, Julia and Conan sit down to talk about when it’s okay for their kids to hear them swearing, the melding of Veep and reality, how frustration can be good for you, learning via failure at SNL and much more. Plus, Conan responds to a listener looking for work as he and his team Review the Reviewers.

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