Exploring how Christian conviction and civic love — inspired by the faith of Willie Faye and Mahalia Jackson’s generation — can transcend political tribalism.

Grateful to welcome Justin Giboney, an ordained minister, attorney, and co-founder of the AND Campaign. Justin shares his faith journey, the genesis of the AND Campaign, and his new book, Don't Let Nobody Turn You Around: How the Black Church’s Public Witness Leads Us Out of the Culture War. Together, we explore how faith can ground political engagement, challenge tribalism, and offer a better way forward rooted in compassion, conviction, and moral imagination.

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[00:00:00] Intro to the show and our guest Justin E. Giboney

[00:01:00] Justin’s background: faith, family, football, and public life

[00:03:00] Raising three boys in Georgia and coaching youth football 🏈

[00:04:00] Justin’s college years at Vanderbilt and struggles with faith

[00:06:00] Returning to faith and the influence of family, especially Willie Faye

[00:08:00] Learning from personal crossroads: sports injury, law, and political work

[00:10:00] Beginning the AND Campaign: from political activism to movement leadership

[00:13:00] The legacy of the Civil Rights era and moral imagination

[00:16:00] Political tribalism, Christian engagement, and party alignment

[00:22:00] Core principles of the AND Campaign and engaging as a faithful Christian

[00:25:00] Civic pluralism: persuading without imposing faith

[00:27:00] Importance of relationships over culture war ideology

[00:34:00] Honest critiques of progressivism and conservatism

[00:43:00] Addiction to outrage and the loss of moral clarity

[00:51:00] Opposition-centered engagement and political virtue signaling

[00:56:00] Final thoughts on leadership, truth, and compassion

Faith Requires Courage: Being a faithful Christian in the public square demands moral clarity, humility, and the ability to stand apart from political allegiances.

Reject Political Tribalism: Christians must transcend party lines and speak truth to power, even to their own political "side."

Moral Imagination Is Essential: The ability to imagine what ought to be—especially in times of conflict—is the key to compassionate and just civic engagement.

Civil Rights Generation as a Model: Justin draws inspiration from the faith, resilience, and clarity of leaders like his grandmother Willie Faye and Mahalia Jackson.

Opposition-Centered Engagement is Toxic: Defining oneself solely by opposition to the "other side" leads to shallow, reactive politics.

“Discipleship isn’t easy—and loving your neighbor especially when it’s hard, is where the Gospel really comes alive.”

“If the Civil Rights generation could love their enemies with hoses and bombs aimed at them, we can love ours with tweets and outrage.”

“True leadership today means turning around and telling your side what it needs to do better.”

Don't Let Nobody Turn You Around: How the Black Church’s Public Witness Leads Us Out of the Culture War - www.ivpress.com/don-t-let-nobody-turn-you-around

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