This week we continue our special series on the Art of Difficult Dialogue by welcoming back our friends Justin Skeesuck and Patrick Gray.

Patrick and Justin appeared on our show in 2018 to share with Jessica their remarkable story of traversing the Camino de Santiago – a 500-mile journey through northwestern Spain. This lifelong friendship and epic adventure were captured in their book and film, I'll Push You, which both document the journey made with one of them in a wheelchair and the other refusing to allow physical limitations to get in their way.

Today, Justin, Patrick, and Jessica get very candid about how conversations regarding individuals with disabilities can go very wrong. They'll also share thoughtful advice for changing the trajectory to a more honoring and affirming dialogue.

Show Links


— Keep up with Justin and Patrick: https://www.pushinc.us/

— Head to Jessica Honegger's website for info on her book, newsletter, transcripts of Going Scared episodes, and more! https://jessicahonegger.com/

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