Kalie Demerjian is an ultra runner, artist, illustrator, tattoo artist and deep thinker. She returns to the podcast to discuss pacing her friend Kelaine at Badwater 135 mile endurance run, preparing for a 100 km road ultra marathon, being in a apprentice program for a tattoo artist, working on some of her recent art projects which includes "Chanels Chair" and how she still is "just a gremlin ghouling through life." Her artwork can be found at www.imokaybrand.com