We were putting together today's podcast on NAMA (out now on the patreon feed) and adding the "patreon ad", when the conversation got a bit more serious. Rory and Tony discuss the work that goes into The Tortoise Shack, the personal costs that come with that and the choices facing the platform in the weeks ahead. We reflect on the social good this space has provided and the reasons we believe in it, despite the current difficulties.

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