Kevin Annett returns to discuss the nature of evil and the extended consciousness realm.

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I have an interview coming up with Kevin Annett, it’s actually a second interview, but I had to go back to Kevin and ask a couple more questions about evil.

Here are some clips. 

Alex Tsakiris: [00:00:12] And even in preparing for this interview, I have to say, these doubts started creeping in again and I had to go back and had to go and kind of start from ground zero.

It’s part of the whole system of how this is hidden, isn’t it? I mean, the whole discrediting of people without much, really evidence to discredit them?

Kevin Annett: [00:00:33] Well, yeah, they always say, the bigger the crime, the bigger the cover up and the main cover up begins in our own minds. We don’t have to be told not to read something or listen to somebody, our own fear or conditioning shuts that off before the sensor comes in to do it.

Alex Tsakiris: [00:00:49] I just took something really simple that I remembered you said first time around and that’s that you name names, but you go to the “Truth and Reconciliation Committee,” and the first clause, the first edict is, we will not name names, we will not subpoena, we will not…  and it just is so stark.     

You want to start talking about these kinds of crimes under the umbrella of religion, it forces them to confront the possibility that these deep beliefs that they have may not hold up to the kind of careful examination.

Kevin Annett: [00:01:33] In psychology, when you’re in a state of dissociation, you cannot connect your own behavior with the world around you, you live in a bubble world. I remember talking to a survivor of the Mormon Church in Salt Lake City doing exactly the same crimes against their children that the Catholics do, and this woman said, when she was a girl, she used to be excited when her dad would come home. She’d stand at the door waiting for him, then he’d take her off on rape her in the bedroom. But she was always excited to see him. To me, that’s by analogy what we’re dealing with, because these religions have been covers and masks for the worst crimes in human history and yet people get in bed with them all the time thinking there’s something else.

So, it’s a very difficult thing to look at our own conditioning and our own complicity in these crimes, but we all are complicit in some way or another.

Alex Tsakiris: [00:02:22] On the other hand, as your life work just dramatically screams out is, we do feel a certain drive to, at the very least, expose this evil.

Kevin Annett: [00:02:35] Absolutely, but it’s not the bastards I’m stopping, it’s the thing that possesses them, which also possesses me. After World War II, Robert Jackson, he was the Chief American Prosecutor at Nuremberg, her had put all of the top Nazis on trial, prosecuted them. He was speaking at a Jewish synagogue in Brooklyn, he said, “The SS were no different than you or I, if you put us in the same circumstance, we could have done exactly what they did.”

 Any whistleblower faces the same dilemma? It doesn’t matter if you’re vindicated, it doesn’t matter if they say, “Look, Kevin Annett’s been proven true, Canada’s admitted to genocide.” You’re always blacklisted, it never lifts. No one wants to be around somebody who’s been a whistleblower because they might do it again.

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