How are The Celestials and The Eternals like Diana Ross & The Supremes? Find out as Kieron Gillen (obviously) returns to discuss his new series for Marvel Comics, a relaunch of The Eternals, in which he and artist Esad Ribić interpret Jack Kirby's classic "powerchord of a visual". We follow up with his critically aclaimed re-imagining of Peter Cannon Thunderbolt as well as his current indie series Once and Future, which polliticizes Arthurian legends in powerful new ways.  Plus, catch up on Die Comic's success as an RPG and RPG's in general during COVID.  Also Black Sabbath. Play Gillen's new RPG for going on a socialy distanced walk kierongillen.itch.io/amble  Subscribe to Gillen's newsletter: https://kierongillen.substack.com/p/180-you-know-what-we-need-a-vampiro  Listen to my 2018 conversation with Gillen and Die artist /co-creator Stephanie Hans http://bit.ly/DieGPpod and The Wicked + The Divine and Young Avengers back in 2016 http://bit.ly/kieronG