This week we're diving into AA ideology's claim that selfishness and self centeredness are the root of the "alcoholic's" problem.

Timestamps:

00:00 AA Says You’re Selfish Intro

01:08 1. Self Centered In The Extreme

03:29 2. Self-Will Run Riot

05:36 3. Running The Show

07:59 4. You Make Your Problems

16:04 5. Getting Out Of Self As Solution

20:33 Recovery or Anti-Self?

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Last week we explored some of the doomsday prophecies in AA's Big Book. This week we're diving deep into death threats that come from AA members directly.

I do believe most of these people have good intentions and say that leaving will kill us because they actually believe it.

The problem, of course, is that the fear AA instills in us isn't a fact.

Leaving AA does not mean we are going to die, even if some do.

Leaving AA and "graduating" recovery is something I believe should be celebrated. We finished our addiction recovery journey. This is great news. A huge victory in fact.

Or some may decide to always have support. Also great.

The point is that we have choice. Recovery is so individual.

Timestamps:

00:00 AA Member Death Threats Intro

04:01 AA Member Threatened I'd Die

07:14 The Actual Comment

08:30 1. Leaving is equivalent to drinking again

09:15 2. Leaving means death

11:11 3. There are only two outcomes: stay in AA or die

12:08 4. Your judgment can't be trusted

14:43 5. The AA member knows your future

15:32 6. Your fate is already determined

16:40 7. Fear is an appropriate tool of persuasion

20:03 8. Staying doesn't lead to funerals

24:13 9. Survivorship bias in the funerals

27:01 Believing The Threats Traps Us

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Today we're going to unpack the doomsday and death threats inside AA's Big Book. This is part of how some of us can become what cult psychology calls "phobia indoctrinated" or afraid to leave the group.

Timestamps:

00:00 AA's Doomsday Prophecies Intro

01:20 AA's Might Not See The Threats

03:41 What Counts As "AA"?

06:22 Death, Insanity, Doomsday Threats

16:19 Hopeless, Incurable, Powerless Threats

30:55 Institutions, Asylums, Permanent Collapse Threats

34:15 Phobia Indoctrination

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The 13th Step Filmmaker Monica Richardson and I went live today on YouTube. Today's podcast is the audio version our conversation and Q+A with the livestream audience about deprogramming AA.

Monica Richardson links:

Monica Richardson YouTube,

13th Step Film

Safe Recovery Podcast

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Justin had to leave 12 step after 17 years in order to get sober. He shares about people dying in AA, realizing it's a cult, and how Ibogaine is what ultimately got him sober. Now he runs a modern addiction detox clinic and is pioneering modern addiction recovery.

Justin's Karity Clinic and TikTok

Timestamps:

00:00 Intro Justin's Story

12:50 Ibogaine Treatment

18:04 Day He Left AA

21:12 DJ AM's Death + 12 Step

28:11 Relapse, Shame, Shunning

35:46 Addiction Recovery Is Outdated

50:33 Psychedelics Got Him Sober

57:17 "Your Part," Amends, R*pe

1:03:26 Ketamine Assisted Psychotherapy + Modern Rehabs

1:15:40 Deprogramming Abstinence

1:25:28 Why Traditional Rehabs Fall Short

1:36:20 Psychedelics In Recovery, Predators, Narcissists

1:44:19 Psychedelics After AA Awakening

2:11:25 AA Trolls

2:17:29 K-holes, Ketamine, Healing

2:27:05 Drugs To Get Off Drugs?

2:31:58 Brainwashing Can Happen Fast

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Is talking about alternative recovery paths "dangerous?" Or is promoting one as the only way what's actually dangerous?

Today's episode dives deep into what I'd tell my 2009 getting sober self if I could go back. Hint I wouldn't go to AA or rehab, I'd go another route. This of course is not medical advice. It's what I wish I'd known back then so that I could have made a more informed decision about how to address my alcohol addiction.

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Today we're diving in deep to some of the psychological dynamics of 12 step ideology with Kylee. Kylee shares about what it was like to be in AA as an undiagnosed autistic woman, what leaving was like, and how harm reduction has been a game changer for her.

Timestamps:

00:00 Intro

04:00 12 Step Comment Sections

10:00 Getting 12 Stepped

14:37 Late Diagnosed Autism

16:26 First Crack in AA Brainwashing

28:02 What Led to Leaving 12 Step?

34:01 IOP + Harm Reduction

36:35 Seeing AA Ideology +Culture As Harmful

42:54 AA's Anti Self, Autism + MAT

51:16 Burning Out on 12 Step

59:28 AA is its Own Religion

60:46 AA Religion Treats Narcissism?

1:09:14 Harm Reduction

1:18:09 Take What You Want, Leave The Rest?

1:25:10 What Is Recovery?

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Join us for today's episode which is a livestream with Carrie England. Y'all asked to have Carrie back on the pod, so here is. This was recorded live, today, and is a deprogramming conversation including the commenters with questions answered, thoughts shared, and all the livestream vibes.

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Today on the pod we're diving into one commenters question about how to tell his sponsees he's leaving 12 step. We'll also cover telling your sponsor, AA members and loved ones outside AA.

If you want to join in the conversation come over to YouTube and share your story or advice in the comments.

Timestamps:

00:00 Leaving AA Intro

02:03 Telling Your Sponsor You Left AA

04:19 Telling My Sponsor I Left AA

06:42 Telling Your Sponsees You Left AA

11:33 Telling My Sponsees I Left AA

16:45 Telling AA Members You Left AA

20:07 Telling AA Members I Left AA

26:40 Telling People Outside AA You Left

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Things have been going bananas in the comment sections on my Facebook page. So I took the opportunity to ask an important question so that we could all hear what everyone thought. I asked what warning they'd give to someone considering going to AA.

I was speaking to those who were indoctrinated, recognized AA ideology as harmful, left AA then began deprogramming. But of course a lot of AA's showed up too with their proselytizing, evangelizing and leaving AA indoctrination in the comments.

If you've been curious to what others think about the harms inside AA, this episode is for you. You can also head over to my Facebook page here if you want to join the conversation.

Timestamps:

00:00 Intro AA Warnings

01:16 Dissent Is Not The Problem

03:14 Warning About AA

04:43 AA Informed Consent

09:01 Crowdsourcing AA Opinions

15:31 AA Ideology Can Shame Neurodivergents

19:34 Childhood SA, cPTSD + 12 Step

23:42 Warnings About AA

31:45 AA Proselytizes In My Comments

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