Another random rambling phone call between brothers Dave & Rich, post our BRUCE KULICK interview ...it comes off the rails here 'n there and, yet, there are revelations, like the shocking realization that DESTROYER, often considered KISS's finest album, is PAUL STANLEY magnum opus!! ...it was THE STARCHILD who seized the moment ....and BOB EZRIN who knew best how to read the band, the talent and the room, a deft master of the dcraft & egos (at stake) ....the convo includes a KISStoric Chicago-based deep dive on the rock/roll train-wreck that was ACE FREHLEY at THE AVALON, THE CUBBY BEAR & CHINA CLUB on the 'Just For Fun Tour', IZZY STRADLIN, YESTERDAYS, BERLIN, TUT'S, RIGHTS OF THE ACCUSED and the oft-missed cheddar fries at MUSKIES way back.