Operation Hyacinth, Tilly’s innocence, a jolt of faith, and a theory on what Gothel’s end game is! Plus, does Regina believe herself when she told Lucy they were going to save Henry? All these and more in our full discussion of the episode “Rogers makes no sense” aka “Knightfall”!

The last scene in this episode feels like probably one of the best scenes this season. We liked the Alice-Nook flashbacks, as well a few other scenes albeit a few scenes that sends viewers to snoozeville. Despite getting a flashback of Alice and Nook’s backstory, we still didn’t get Gothel’s motive of doing all these. She got what she wanted from Nook, so what is her purpose for doing all these? So because Nook stopped for a duel, he suddenly wasn’t a good enough father?

This season has given me quite the feeling of fan fiction. Like the writers were trying to cater to the fans. Notice that, with the exception of Rumple, none of the old characters ever had a dual identity. What if what we are seeing is actually Henry’s first attempt at writing a story as the author and we are just seeing it played out? I know he’s technically supposed to record the stories, but is it possible he went the way of Isaac and rewrote everyone’s story? Or maybe we’re just seeing the story he has written and it didn’t really happen. That would explain all the inconsistencies. Or maybe that’s just wishful thinking.

— Lisa

Freedom Calls

They did a great job at casting young Alice.  She looks and acts a lot like Tilly, save for the difference in their accents. That being said, Alice is an interesting character, does she have prophetic dreams? What is Gothel’s end game? Does Gothel know that Alice is going to be important? What if Gothel can take brains the way Regina can take hearts?

Did Nook jumped realms to see Wish Realm Rumplestiltskin? It is quite disappointing how they don’t delineate where things are because it makes things confusing. If it’s true that that is Wish Realm Rumple then why is there a new Cinderella or new Lady Tremaine? Wish Realm was created with a wish and if there are duplicates, then shouldn’t it feature the same characters as in the ones from the original Enchanted Forest like Ashley as Cinderella? Then again, they made it inexplicably easy to jump between realms now that they don’t feel the need to explain anymore.

It was nice to know that the reason why Nook kept a rook chess piece was because he associated it with the tower, where Alice is stuck in. If Nook got the fish hook, why did he go back to Rumplestiltskin in his jail cell? Rumple told him that the fish hook will get him out any prison, why didn’t he just go back to the tower and use it to help Alice get out of the tower? Does Rumplestiltskin not know about squid ink? He could’ve used it to escape.

We did a research about Captain Ahab and turns out, Captain Ahab from Moby Dick is said to be the inspiration for Captain Hook. Ahab was after the whale while they wrote Hook to be after a Crocodile.

On the other hand, Rumplestiltskin’s banter as the Dark One has always been so enjoyable to watch. It was funny, but it was interesting to see him actually wanting to help Nook free his daughter. Was he pure evil? Belle saw the man behind the beast, after all.

When will Rogers wake up? He’s infuriatingly clueless even for someone who’s not awake. Does Gothel hold some power on him aside from the curse?