Lance Mungia’s Third Eye Spies is a terrific movie, but what’s really behind this new openness about secret remote viewing programs.

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I have an interview coming up in a minute with Lance Mungia. He’s the creator of the movie, it’s been out for a little while now, it’s called Third Eye Spies. If you like the stuff we talk about here and I guess that’s why you’re here, then this is a really important movie because it talks about the whole history of the secret psychic spying program, Stargate that we all know and love.

So I just wanted to give you a quick heads-up. Lance is fantastic, the movie is fantastic, the  movie is important, but there is this underlying tension in this interview because I don’t exactly see things the same way that Lance does, but hey, who cares? That’s level three, right? We don’t have to agree on everything. Here’s a guy who’s done a terrific movie, here are some clips from the show.

Alex Tsakiris: [00:00:55] The storyline that the movie follows is that Russell Targ, who is of course one of the original principal investigators in this Stargate remote viewing program and he’s going to reconnect with all of these people that have been a part of this amazing program and then the threat of the story is, “Okay guys, we can now tell the story that we wanted to tell for so long.”

Lance Mungia: [00:01:23] Frankly, he literally showed up at my door with a big box full of documents that were marked  classified, that had been released,  and he starts laying out all of these documents on a table and I started to actually question it, because it was so incredible. I remember going to bed after meeting him the first night and thinking, “Is this guy like for real?” I mean, this is something that is so incredible that I’m only going to really be able to do something like this if I can get everybody, because it was one of those things where, if it’s just one person saying it, it sounds too outlandish.

Alex Tsakiris: [00:01:57] The conspiratorial guy that I am, one of the first questions I had from the beginning is, why do you think they released all of these documents? I have a hard time believing it’s just for the vanity or the interest of this sweet old man, Professor Russell Targ, who says, “I’d like to do this final tour,” and the CIA says, “Oh great, well, here’s 60 thousand documents that we never released before.”

Lance Mungia: [00:02:27] Oh, I have all kinds of thoughts on that. We think of government as a monolithic thing, the government is coming up with this or the government is hiding this. Government intentionally is very dysfunctional. The presidents and elected officials are always the last to know.

Alex Tsakiris: [00:02:50] Would you say the CIA director often falls in that category too, because I would?

Lance Mungia: [00:02:55] Yeah, I mean possibly. I would say the CIA director probably knows more than the president does, but Russell and how the two scientists that started this program in the 70s were both already vetted people working within established intelligence circles and they were respected within the intelligence community that had an official oversight.

Alex Tsakiris: [00:03:19] Let me just clarify, you’re saying, as opposed , as we do understand it now, some programs that are just black. 

Lance Mungia: [00:03:26] Yeah, these were not black programs, these were secret programs but they had oversight, and if you think about something like remote viewing, how easy is it to do remote viewing? Basically you close your eyes, you imagine where your target is hiding and then you write do...