Law and Chaos

Law and Chaos

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  • Ep 108 — Trump Demands Immunity From Rules of Civil Procedure

    We follow up on the Thursday Night Massacre, as Acting Deputy Attorney General Emil Bove finally got someone to file the paperwork to dismiss the case against New York Mayor Eric Adams. And we do a deep dive into Dellinger v. Bessent, as the Trump administration asks the Supreme Court to remind everyone that the laws don't actually apply to Donald Trump. All of that and DOCKET ALERTS!

    Links:

    Courts Stand Up For Trans Rights and the Rule of Law

    https://www.lawandchaospod.com/p/courts-stand-up-for-trans-rights

    Bove Feb. 10 letter to Sassoon (SDNY) ordering dropping of Adams prosecution

    https://static01.nyt.com/newsgraphics/documenttools/76308bc134b67d36/4cc46c59-full.pdf

    Hagen Scotten resignation letter

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/documents/0b16892a-b4a3-4511-9eab-44ff6f69a97f.pdf?itid=lk_inline_manual_4

    US v. Adams docket

    https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.nysd.628916/

    Nick Akerman amicus

    https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.nysd.628916/gov.uscourts.nysd.628916.124.0.pdf

    Henry Cuellar criminal docket

    https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/68499933/united-states-v-cuellar/

    Dellinger v. Bessent district court docket

    https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.dcd.277297/

    Dellinger v. Bessent (DC Circuit docket)

    https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.cadc.41741/gov.uscourts.cadc.41741.01208711227.0.pdf

    Dellinger v. Bessent (SCOTUS petition)

    ***REPLACE S3 LINK WHEN SCOTUS LINK IS AVAILABLE***

    https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/25536866/bessent-v-dellinger-vacatur-app-final.pdf

    Seila Law v. CFPB (2020)

    https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/19pdf/19-7_n6io.pdf

    AIDS VACCINE ADVOCACY COALITION v. UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF STATE

    https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/69627654/aids-vaccine-advocacy-coalition-v-united-states-department-of-state/

    Talbott v. Trump

    https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/69583866/talbott-v-trump/

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    59 min
  • Ep 107 — Thursday Night Massacre

    Trump's personal lawyers are turning the DOJ into a protection racket, dropping bribery charges against NYC Mayor Eric Adams after he agreed to violate the City's immigration laws. But they can't find any lawyer in the Justice Department to implement their corrupt decree. At least seven prosecutors have been fired or quit. But will anyone in America notice?

    Links:

    Sassoon resignation letter

    https://static01.nyt.com/newsgraphics/documenttools/24535586a908999e/3801d435-full.pdf

    Bove response letter to Sassoon

    https://static01.nyt.com/newsgraphics/documenttools/7c71f04757006735/05b1f604-full.pdf

    Dellinger v. Bessent docket (Office of Special Counsel)

    https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.dcd.277297/

    US v. Eric Adams [Docket via Court Listener]

    https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/69197933/united-states-v-adams/

    Bove Letter Ordering Adams Dismissal [via NYT]

    https://static01.nyt.com/newsgraphics/documenttools/76308bc134b67d36/4cc46c59-full.pdf

    After Meeting With Trump's Border Czar, Adams Opens Rikers to ICE Agents

    https://www.nytimes.com/2025/02/13/nyregion/adams-ice-rikers-homan.html

    How the Justice Dept. Helped Sink Its Own Case Against Eric Adams

    https://www.nytimes.com/2025/02/13/nyregion/adams-lawyers-justice-department-dismissal.html

    Grand Vizier Musk Is A Problem For The Justice Department

    https://www.lawandchaospod.com/p/grand-vizier-musk-is-a-problem-for

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    56 min
  • Ep 106 — The Musk Parasite Multiplies

    Donald Trump got bored during the Super Bowl, and now apparently pennies are illegal. Also, as everything Trump torches the entire executive branch, trial judges aim their garden hoses at the flames to save what they can. Today we'll talk about as many cases as we can cram into an hour. Come for the DOGE take over of Treasury, stay for the Project 2025 shutdown of the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau.

    Links:

    ABA STATEMENT on the Rule of Law

    https://www.americanbar.org/news/abanews/aba-news-archives/2025/02/aba-supports-the-rule-of-law/

    When You've Lost Clarence Thomas

    https://www.lawandchaospod.com/p/when-youve-lost-clarence-thomas

    New York v. Trump (state Treasury challenge) docket

    https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/69623558/state-of-new-york-v-donald-j-trump/

    CNN: Trump stopping penny production

    https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/trump-doge-usaid-news-02-09-25#cm6yd9c61001m3b6no8ip8cc3

    Coinage clause annotated

    https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/essay/artI-S8-C5-1/ALDE_00001066/

    Coinage Act of 1792

    https://www.usmint.gov/learn/history/historical-documents/coinage-act-of-april-2-1792

    31 U.S.C. § 5112

    https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/31/5112

    12 U.S.C. § 5481 et seq. (creating CFPB)

    https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/12/chapter-53/subchapter-V

    Sen. Warren Initial Report on the CFPB

    https://files.consumerfinance.gov/f/2011/07/Report_BuildingTheCfpb1.pdf

    Seila Law, LLC v. CFPB

    https://scholar.google.com/scholar_case?case=14557349188638541514

    NTEU V. VOUGHT I docket (CFPB data)

    https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.dcd.277286/

    NTEU V. VOUGHT II docket (CFPB dismantling)

    https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.dcd.277287/

    CFPB v. CFSA

    https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/23pdf/22-448_o7jp.pdf

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    59 min
  • Ep 105 — The Week Everyone Sued The Trump Administration

    Donald Trump's blitzkrieg of executive orders is running into a million lawsuits. And Elon Musk's inability to keep his mouth shut isn't helping. We'll discuss the avalanche of lawsuits by labor unions, non-profits, FBI agents, and anonymous federal employees, along with the judiciary's response.

    Links:

    44 USC § 3501 Note

    https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/44/3501

    Musk associates sought to use critical Treasury payment system to shut down USAID spending, emails show

    https://www.cnn.com/2025/02/06/politics/elon-musk-treasury-department-payment-system/index.html

    US v. Illinois docket

    https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/69616357/united-states-v-state-of-illinois/

    FBI Agents Association v. DOJ

    https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/69609596/federal-bureau-of-investigation-agents-association-v-department-of-justice/

    AFL-CIO v. Department of Labor docket

    https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/69613359/afl-cio-v-department-of-labor/

    Nat'l Council of Nonprofits v. OMB ("Nonprofits Case") docket

    https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/69583571/national-council-of-nonprofits-v-office-of-management-and-budget/

    ALLIANCE FOR RETIRED AMERICANS v. BESSENT (challenge to Treasury/BFS)

    https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/69607077/alliance-for-retired-americans-v-bessent/

    Doe v. OPM docket (challenge to Musk server spoofing OPM email)

    https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/69582338/doe-v-office-of-personnel-management

    New Hampshire Indonesian Community Support v. Trump (challenge to birthright EO)

    https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/69560542/new-hampshire-indonesian-community-support-v-trump/

    The Three-Headed Chimera of Trumpian Destruction [Gift Link]

    https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/the-three-headed-chimera-of-trumpian-destruction/sharetoken/09cb444c-9355-4852-be93-f505cbbd1418

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    56 min
  • Ep 104 — Muskrats Invade Federal Agencies

    Elon Musk has invaded Washington. He has set loose a pack of feral teenage code monkeys with a god complex inside every federal agency, promising to do for Washington what he did for Twitter. What could possibly go wrong? Oh, and Musk also has a plan to "rightsize" the government by waving unenforceable contracts at federal employees to induce them into resigning. There's a Fork in the Road all right, but this one is perhaps best not taken.

    Links:

    Nat'l Counsel of Nonprofits v. OMB ("Nonprofits Case") docket

    https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/69583571/national-council-of-nonprofits-v-office-of-management-and-budget/

    Elon Musk Wants to Get Operational Control of the Treasury's Payment System. This Could Not Possibly Be More Dangerous by

    https://www.crisesnotes.com/elon-musk-wants-to-get-operational-control-of-the-treasurys-payment-system-this-could-not-possibly-be-more-dangerous/

    Office of Personnel Management "Fork in the Road"

    https://www.opm.gov/fork

    OPM Guidance on Schedule Policy/Career (formerly Schedule F)

    https://chcoc.gov/sites/default/files/OPM%20Memorandum%20re%20Schedule%20Policy%20Career%20Guidance%2001-27-25%20FINAL.pdf

    American Federation of Gov't Employees v. Trump docket

    https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/69588089/american-federation-of-government-employees-afl-cio-v-trump/

    VSIP 5 U.S.C. § 3521 et seq.

    https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/5/part-III/subpart-B/chapter-35/subchapter-II

    Truman EO 9830

    https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/documents/executive-order-9830-amending-the-civil-service-rules-and-providing-for-federal-personnel

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    1 hr 6 min
  • Ep 103 — Trump Executive Orders Wind Up In All The Courts

    Trump issued dozens of imperial edicts — oh, sorry, executive orders. Many of them are wildly illegal, mostly are deeply cruel, and all are being challenged in court. We'll discuss the pending injunctions on his birthright citizenship order and the "pause" on government spending so that he can redline the federal budget and delete all the "woke."

    Links:

    Trump v. Meta docket

    https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/61568745/trump-v-meta-platforms-inc/

    American Federation of Government Employees, AFL-CIO v. Trump docket

    https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/69588089/american-federation-of-government-employees-afl-cio-v-trump/

    OMB M-25-13

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/documents/deb7af80-48b6-4b8a-8bfa-3d84fd7c3ec8.pdf?itid=lk_inline_manual_2

    OMB CLARIFICATION MEMO

    https://ngma.memberclicks.net/assets/docs/White%20House%20OMB%20Clarification%20Memo.pdf

    Nat'l Counsel of Nonprofits v. OMB ("Nonprofits Case") docket

    https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/69583571/national-council-of-nonprofits-v-office-of-management-and-budget/

    State of New York v. Trump ("States Case") docket

    https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/69585994/state-of-new-york-v-trump/

    OPM Guidance on Schedule F

    https://www.chcoc.gov/content/guidance-implementing-president-trump%E2%80%99s-executive-order-titled-restoring-accountability

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    57 min
  • Ep 102 — Trump Steals The Budget (Ft. Bobby Kogan)

    Everyone knows that Congress has the power of the purse. What this administration presupposes is … maybe they don't??? We'll talk about Trump's decision to steal budgeting power from Congress in violation of both the Constitution and the Impoundment Control Act with Office of Management and Budget Alum Bobby Kogan.

    Links:

    Bobby Kogan

    https://www.americanprogress.org/people/bobby-kogan/

    Philadelphia Yearly Meeting of the Religious Society of Friends v. Department of Homeland Security

    https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/69580474/philadelphia-yearly-meeting-of-the-religious-society-of-friends-v/

    Trump Energy impoundment EO

    https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/01/unleashing-american-energy/

    Trump EO pausing foreign aid for 90 days: https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/01/reevaluating-and-realigning-united-states-foreign-aid/

    Trump OMB "Clarification"

    https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/2025/01/omb-memo-m-25-11/

    Kendall v. US ex Rel. Stokes, 37 U.S. 524 (1838) https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/37/524/

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    1 hr 5 min
  • Ep 101 — Executive Orders: Birthright Citizenship and Disappearing Trans People From Public Life

    We're breaking down two of the vilest executive orders Trump signed on his first day in office. First up, he's attacking trans people every way he can, and the crueler, the better. How does this interact with the Supreme Court's holding in Bostock? And Trump ignored 125 years of precedent to declare birthright citizenship illegal. One federal judge has already said NFW. Subscribers get a discussion of the latest Alex Jones bankruptcy negotiations.

    Links:

    Skrmetti: It was THAT Bad

    https://www.lawandchaospod.com/p/skrmetti-it-was-that-bad?utm_source=publication-search

    Trump EO - DEFENDING WOMEN FROM GENDER IDEOLOGY EXTREMISM AND RESTORING BIOLOGICAL TRUTH TO THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT

    https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/01/defending-women-from-gender-ideology-extremism-and-restoring-biological-truth-to-the-federal-government/

    Foley & Lardner instructions to clients re: Trump's EOs

    https://www.foley.com/insights/publications/2025/01/president-trumps-rescission-executive-order/

    Trump EO on birthright citizenship

    https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/01/protecting-the-meaning-and-value-of-american-citizenship/

    Coughenour TRO

    https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.wawd.343943/gov.uscourts.wawd.343943.43.0_1.pdf

    Baldoni/Lively docket

    https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.nysd.635145

    Alex Jones docket (for Patreon bonus)

    https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/66583024/alexander-e-jones/

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    Contributing Artist: Liz Dye; Andrew Torrez

    Album artist: Liz Dye; Andrew Torrez

    Album: Law and Chaos

    Genre: Government; Politics

    Publisher: Res Ipsa Media LLC

    59 min
  • Ep 100 — Immigration Under Trump (ft. Dan Kowalski)

    Trump has vowed to deport millions of undocumented immigrants and close the border. Today's guest, Dan Kowalski, practiced immigration law for 38 years and writes extensively on the subject. We'll break down what to expect and how to fight back.

    Links:

    Involuntary Departure, by Dan Kowalski

    https://dankowalski.substack.com/

    American Council on Education: Immigration-Related Campus Concerns

    https://www.acenet.edu/Documents/Issue-Brief-Immigration-Related-Campus-Concerns-2025.pdf

    Against the Wall

    https://heliotropebooks.com/books/against-the-wall-my-journey-from-border-patrol-agent-to-immigration-rights-activist/

    NYT Debate on Birthright Citizenship

    https://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2015/08/24/should-birthright-citizenship-be-abolished/eliminating-birthright-citizenship-would-be-a-bureacratic-and-costly-change-of-law

    Is Birthright Citizenship Good for America

    https://www.cato.org/sites/cato.org/files/serials/files/cato-journal/2012/1/cj32n1-10.pdf

    Myths and Facts about Birthright Citizenship

    https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/sites/default/files/research/Birthright%20Citizenship%20091509.pdf

    IPTP Will Track Trump 2.0

    https://www.lexisnexis.com/community/insights/legal/immigration/b/outsidenews/posts/iptp-will-track-trump-2-0

    Justice Action Center: Tracking Extremist Challenges to Immigrant Inclusive Policies

    https://litigationtracker.justiceactioncenter.org/

    Us and Them: The Science of Identity

    https://press.uchicago.edu/ucp/books/book/chicago/U/bo5812106.html

    Understanding INA Section 212(f): The President's Authority to Suspend the Entry of Migrants

    https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/research/understanding-ina-section-212f-president-authority-suspend-entry-migrants

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    53 min
  • Ep 99 — Half A Special Counsel Report Is Like Half A Democracy

    As we prepare for the disaster, we break down Volume One of the Special Counsel Report, and discuss the brazen hackery behind Judge Cannon's effort to bury Volume Two. And Rudy settles with Ruby Freeman and Shaye Moss. Is that good or bad news?

    Links:

    SMITH FINAL REPORT Vol. 1

    https://www.justice.gov/storage/Report-of-Special-Counsel-Smith-Volume-1-January-2025.pdf

    Free Speech Coalition v. Paxton [SCOTUS Docket]

    https://www.supremecourt.gov/search.aspx?filename=/docket/docketfiles/html/public/23-1122.html

    TikTok C.E.O. Plans to Attend Trump Inauguration

    https://www.nytimes.com/2025/01/15/us/politics/tiktok-ceo-trump-inauguration.html

    US v Trump (SDFL) docket

    https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/67490070/united-states-v-trump/

    Freeman v. Giuliani (SDNY) docket

    https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/69116157/freeman-v-giuliani/

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    1 hr 5 min

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