John Helmer talks to Jane Hart, Founder of the Centre for Learning & Performance Technologies (C4LPT), whose Top Tools for Learning list, now in its 12th year, rates the popularity of various technology tools under categories of personal learning, workplace learning and education.   The list has consistently highlighted the importance of generic tools such as PowerPoint, Slack and YouTube for learning online, and how big a part informal learning plays in complementing course-based materials. As such it paints a very different picture of the world from that purveyed by learntech vendors and analysts.   John asks what this year's list shows in terms of long-term trends, as well as, inevitably, the effect of the pandemic on how people are learning.   01:31 What does the list say about learners' response to Covid-19? 05:08 The 'sub-lists': personal learning, workplace learning and education 09:20 Is learning too 'fuzzy' a word? 14:31 Why do learntech vendors score so low in the lists? 20:18 Can some of learning not be productized? 26:51 How to balance self-directed learning with the needs of the business 29:14 The biggest problem facing L&D today? 32:04 What is Jane most excited about for the future?   The Top Tools for Learning list 2020: https://www.toptools4learning.com/   Modern Workplace Learning 2020 [Magazine]: http://modernworkplacelearning.com/magazine/   Centre for Learning & Performance Technologies (C4LPT): https://c4lpt.co.uk/ c4lpt.co.uk/blog (Blog)   Contact Jane LinkedIn linkedin.com/in/c4lpt Twitter @C4LPT   Download the new white paper from Learning Pool written by John Helmer – 'Experience: Theory, design and supporting technologies for an experience-based learning culture' https://learningpool.com/theory-design-and-supporting-technologies-for-an-experience-based-learning-culture/   Contact John Helmer Twitter: @johnhelmer LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/johnhelmer/ Website: http://johnhelmerconsulting.com/