Originally aired in December 2022, this conversation with Emily Frase remains one of our most downloaded episodes—and for good reason. Emily gets real about the complicated, unfiltered reality of NFP, Catholic motherhood, and what happens when doing everything “right” still leads to suffering. Her honesty struck a chord with so many listeners navigating similar tensions in their own marriages, spiritual lives, and motherhood.

Emily is the founder of Total Whine, a ministry and platform where she advocates for truth-telling, compassionate accompaniment, and a deeper understanding of what faithful Catholic living actually looks like in the mess.

Want to hear how Emily’s story has unfolded since?
Don’t miss her brand-new episode on Hope Stories with Sister Josephine Garrett, where she goes even deeper—sharing about spiritual darkness, trauma, therapy, and a breakthrough moment that changed everything. It’s raw, redemptive, and full of grace.

Listen now on Hope Stories

This episode is sponsored by the University of Dallas. Free Guide on Discerning College Choices from the University of Dallas 

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