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“How is this going to serve me?” I bristle when I hear that phrase because I once believed words like that were the epitome of “self-ish” — NOT SO! 

Julian Sarafian speaks to his high-pressured path from Berkeley to Harvard to a career in Big Law and then his decision to go a different direction.

We have romanticized hustle-culture and for what? It often tanks our mental and physical health - and it doesn't make much of a life either. 

This conversation illuminates the sheer necessity of relooking at what we want and what serves us so that we can live fully and contribute meaningful work and a full self to the world.

Guest Bio:

Julian is a lawyer and content creator. His legal practice focuses on content creators, social media influencers, and startups. His content surrounds mental health, the law, and politics. Julian's work has been featured in the NY Times, Bloomberg Law, American Lawyer, Business Insider, and on CNBC. A graduate of UC Berkeley and Harvard Law School, Sarafian has given several TEDx talks.

website: https://www.forcreatorsbycreators.co

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/juliansarafian/

LinkedIn: https://beacons.ai/juliansarafian

Resources mentioned on this episode:

Julian Sarafian “How Content Creators are Being Ripped Off on Social Media” TEDxFolsom

Julian Sarafian “The Cost of Success” TEDxCarrioba Studio

About Jen Oliver:

I pursue and create environments where we explore the REAL stuff that changes us. I’m designed to bring others on my personal journey with honest admissions to help us all transform - that’s my sweetspot and I speak, lead, and write from that space.

REAL conversations stir deeper connection and community - to explore ways that you can work with me, go to:

email: [email protected]

podcast website: ListenForREAL.com

website: REALJenOliver.com

LinkedIn:@realjenoliver

Instagram: @realjenoliver

Facebook: @realjenoliver

If you believe conversations like these belong in the world, please subscribe, rate & review this podcast - and even better, share it with someone else as a REAL conversation starter. Subscribe to all things Jen at REALJenOliver.

About Jen Oliver:

Jen Oliver is a speaker, podcaster, and communications coach - equipping people to speak with greater impact and presence. Whether you are speaking on stage, promoting your brand, or voicing your needs in a relationship - communicating with your truest voice and cultivating human connection with your audience is the key to influence. Jen coaches individuals privately and within her Signature group programs - in addition to delivering workshops as a guest expert in a variety of settings.

Jen serves as a 4-season Executive Producer, Director of Curation, and Speaker Coach for TEDxFolsom. She is a committed force behind WomanSpeak™ - an internationally recognized body of work teaching the art and soul of public speaking. Jen is on a mission to support 1 million women as they speak with uncommon levels of freedom and confidence. Tap into more at

REALjenoliver.com

email: [email protected]

podcast website: ListenForREAL.com

90-day TEDx Talk ACCELERATOR

WomanSpeak™

website: REALJenOliver.com

LinkedIn:@thejenoliver

Instagram: @realjenoliver

Facebook: @jen.oliver.806001

If you believe conversations like these belong in the world, please subscribe, rate & review this podcast - and even better, share it with someone else as a REAL conversation starter. Subscribe to all things Jen at REALJenOliver.

Christina reflects on her anxiety and desperate need for control along with the anticipatory grief she wrestled with for nearly 17 years, since her Mom’s first cancer diagnosis. And now, she has the gift of deeper insight and peace - something she never anticipated in the wake of losing her closest person. 

Guest Bio:

Christina Fichera is one of my (Jen) BFFs and a person with an abundance of roles and titles. I am settling on these… 

This girl is REAL - a deep feeler and eternal learner. She loves to break things down and mine for the most essential aspects in everything. Christina is a speaker, salesperson, athlete, customer relationship manager and curious soul.

A podcast junkie in the best way; she listens to dozens of podcasts each week and is known to stick Post-it® notes all over the place (literally and on social media) as a means of documenting and sharing what she is learning.

Christina is a loyal friend and collaborator AND the best pup-mom ever to a very spoiled dog named Teddy. 

You can follow Christina on Instagram @ChristinaFichera_

Resources mentioned on this episode:

Gone From My Sight, "The Little Blue Book" that changed the hospice industry by Barbara Karnes, RN

Episode 42 of Listen For REAL with guest, Christina Fichera

About Jen Oliver:

I pursue and create environments where we explore the REAL stuff that changes us. I’m designed to bring others on my personal journey with honest admissions to help us all transform - that’s my sweetspot and I speak, lead, and write from that space.

REAL conversations stir deeper connection and community - to explore ways that you can work with me, go to:

email: [email protected]

podcast website: ListenForREAL.com

website: REALJenOliver.com

LinkedIn:@realjenoliver

Instagram: @realjenoliver

Facebook: @realjenoliver

If you believe conversations like these belong in the world, please subscribe, rate & review this podcast - and even better, share it with someone else as a REAL conversation starter. Subscribe to all things Jen at REALJenOliver.

About Jen Oliver:

Jen Oliver is a speaker, podcaster, and communications coach - equipping people to speak with greater impact and presence. Whether you are speaking on stage, promoting your brand, or voicing your needs in a relationship - communicating with your truest voice and cultivating human connection with your audience is the key to influence. Jen coaches individuals privately and within her Signature group programs - in addition to delivering workshops as a guest expert in a variety of settings.

Jen serves as a 4-season Executive Producer, Director of Curation, and Speaker Coach for TEDxFolsom. She is a committed force behind WomanSpeak™ - an internationally recognized body of work teaching the art and soul of public speaking. Jen is on a mission to support 1 million women as they speak with uncommon levels of freedom and confidence. Tap into more at

REALjenoliver.com

email: [email protected]

podcast website: ListenForREAL.com

90-day TEDx Talk ACCELERATOR

WomanSpeak™

website: REALJenOliver.com

LinkedIn:@thejenoliver

Instagram: @realjenoliver

Facebook: @jen.oliver.806001

If you believe conversations like these belong in the world, please subscribe, rate & review this podcast - and even better, share it with someone else as a REAL conversation starter. Subscribe to all things Jen at REALJenOliver.

With humor and a crazy level of wisdom and instinct that comes only with pain and vulnerability – Erin and I talk about what it is like to build your own life for the first time. AND she is building something incredible, having lived through more than most before the age of 40.

Guest Bio:

Erin Nichols is the best-selling author of No Matter What: A Story of Unwavering Hope and the Power of Resilience. She grew up and still resides in the Sacramento area of Northern California. She loves the natural world and is always looking forward to her next adventure. She graduated from California State University, Sacramento with her Masters in Speech-Language Pathology. Erin works as a health coach and believes in always striving to learn and grow.

website: https://www.nomatterwhatmemoir.com/

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/nomatterwhat_memoir/

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/chatwitherinn

Resources mentioned on this episode:

Carol Dweck and Growth Mindset body of work 

NO MATTER WHAT   by Erin Nichols 

Metahab and Dr. Joyce Mikal-Flynn

About Jen Oliver:

I pursue and create environments where we explore the REAL stuff that changes us. I’m designed to bring others on my personal journey with honest admissions to help us all transform - that’s my sweetspot and I speak, lead, and write from that space.

REAL conversations stir deeper connection and community - to explore ways that you can work with me, go to:

email: [email protected]

podcast website: ListenForREAL.com

website: REALJenOliver.com

LinkedIn:@realjenoliver

Instagram: @realjenoliver

Facebook: @realjenoliver

If you believe conversations like these belong in the world, please subscribe, rate & review this podcast - and even better, share it with someone else as a REAL conversation starter. Subscribe to all things Jen at REALJenOliver.

About Jen Oliver:

Jen Oliver is a speaker, podcaster, and communications coach - equipping people to speak with greater impact and presence. Whether you are speaking on stage, promoting your brand, or voicing your needs in a relationship - communicating with your truest voice and cultivating human connection with your audience is the key to influence. Jen coaches individuals privately and within her Signature group programs - in addition to delivering workshops as a guest expert in a variety of settings.

Jen serves as a 4-season Executive Producer, Director of Curation, and Speaker Coach for TEDxFolsom. She is a committed force behind WomanSpeak™ - an internationally recognized body of work teaching the art and soul of public speaking. Jen is on a mission to support 1 million women as they speak with uncommon levels of freedom and confidence. Tap into more at

REALjenoliver.com

email: [email protected]

podcast website: ListenForREAL.com

90-day TEDx Talk ACCELERATOR

WomanSpeak™

website: REALJenOliver.com

LinkedIn:@thejenoliver

Instagram: @realjenoliver

Facebook: @jen.oliver.806001

If you believe conversations like these belong in the world, please subscribe, rate & review this podcast - and even better, share it with someone else as a REAL conversation starter. Subscribe to all things Jen at REALJenOliver.

It took us a few minutes to get rolling in this episode because I was speaking carefully…and NOT because Tiffany K. Martin makes conversation difficult (quite the contrary - she is an exceptional woman). I was playing it safe.

We talk about life’s ever-shifting rules of engagement and our instinct of playing it safe or staying silent so we don’t “rock the boat.” And then, we dig into the value of rocking boats anyway. 

We won’t always tackle new information beautifully - but we can continue to show up, learn and grow. 

Guest Bio:

Tiffany K. Martin is an equity-minded thought leader, speaker, presenter and author, and she is the CEO of TKMartin Consulting LLC. Serving as an Executive Change Strategist and ICF-certified Professional Coach (CPC/CLC), Tiffany helps people leaders, professionals and small business owners clarify their objectives, develop a strategy and take action! Tiffany specializes in Executive, Leadership and Professional Coaching, Diversity, Equity and Inclusion Training and Strategic Planning and Facilitation. As a result of her multifaceted career serving as a hardware engineer (MSEE), Special Agent with the FBI, Business Consultant, and Health and Wellness Coach, Tiffany is uniquely positioned to help others understand the “big picture” and act with intention. Tiffany’s passion is to share her knowledge and experiences to help people and organizations become better and do better.

website: https://www.tkmartinconsulting.com/

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tiffany-k-martin

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/tkmfit/

Facebook: @realjenoliver

About Jen Oliver:

I pursue and create environments where we explore the REAL stuff that changes us. I’m designed to bring others on my personal journey with honest admissions to help us all transform - that’s my sweetspot and I speak, lead, and write from that space.

REAL conversations stir deeper connection and community - to explore ways that you can work with me, go to:

email: [email protected]

podcast website: ListenForREAL.com

website: REALJenOliver.com

LinkedIn:@realjenoliver

Instagram: @realjenoliver

Facebook: @realjenoliver

If you believe conversations like these belong in the world, please subscribe, rate & review this podcast - and even better, share it with someone else as a REAL conversation starter. Subscribe to all things Jen at REALJenOliver.

About Jen Oliver:

Jen Oliver is a speaker, podcaster, and communications coach - equipping people to speak with greater impact and presence. Whether you are speaking on stage, promoting your brand, or voicing your needs in a relationship - communicating with your truest voice and cultivating human connection with your audience is the key to influence. Jen coaches individuals privately and within her Signature group programs - in addition to delivering workshops as a guest expert in a variety of settings.

Jen serves as a 4-season Executive Producer, Director of Curation, and Speaker Coach for TEDxFolsom. She is a committed force behind WomanSpeak™ - an internationally recognized body of work teaching the art and soul of public speaking. Jen is on a mission to support 1 million women as they speak with uncommon levels of freedom and confidence. Tap into more at

REALjenoliver.com

email: [email protected]

podcast website: ListenForREAL.com

90-day TEDx Talk ACCELERATOR

WomanSpeak™

website: REALJenOliver.com

LinkedIn:@thejenoliver

Instagram: @realjenoliver

Facebook: @jen.oliver.806001

If you believe conversations like these belong in the world, please subscribe, rate & review this podcast - and even better, share it with someone else as a REAL conversation starter. Subscribe to all things Jen at REALJenOliver.

Never underestimate the power of a person who can connect to their truth and bring THAT voice forward! Maybe you relate, as I do, to the individual who is detached from their real feelings and stories. How often do we find ourselves in a battle with the constant chatter in our head - delivering words that represent half-truths, people-pleasing, and performative behavior. 

I am a classic example of a person who communicated with a need for validation and peace - keeping everything palatable. I am convinced that is why I was called into my work as a communications coach. Many of us are called into the work we NEED. 

Guest Bio:

Eliza Maroney is the host of the Radiance Training podcast where she explores all of the healthiest ways to become the best version of yourself! She and her guests share their favorite tools for personal growth; from self-optimization techniques to meditations, exploring alternative medicine, and mindset RESETS, Eliza’s podcast is your invitation to TURN UP YOUR TURN ON and RISE INTO YOUR Radiance. 

https://www.instagram.com/thecannabisyogi

https://www.facebook.com/radiancetrainingwitheliza

Resources mentioned on this episode:

Radiance Training with Eliza Maroney

About Jen Oliver:

I believe in conversation, connection, and community. I create platforms where we can share stories and information. I LOVE to hold space for people who want to elevate and amplify their truest voice. If you want to explore the ways you can work with me, let's connect!

email: [email protected]

podcast website: ListenForREAL.com

website: REALJenOliver.com

LinkedIn:@realjenoliver

Instagram: @realjenoliver

Facebook: @realjenoliver

Join us in person for the REAL Conversations Speaker Series - here’s details and tickets! 

If you believe conversations like these belong in the world, please subscribe, rate & review this podcast - and even better, share it with someone else as a REAL conversation starter. Subscribe to all things Jen at  REALJenOliver.

About Jen Oliver:

Jen Oliver is a speaker, podcaster, and communications coach - equipping people to speak with greater impact and presence. Whether you are speaking on stage, promoting your brand, or voicing your needs in a relationship - communicating with your truest voice and cultivating human connection with your audience is the key to influence. Jen coaches individuals privately and within her Signature group programs - in addition to delivering workshops as a guest expert in a variety of settings.

Jen serves as a 4-season Executive Producer, Director of Curation, and Speaker Coach for TEDxFolsom. She is a committed force behind WomanSpeak™ - an internationally recognized body of work teaching the art and soul of public speaking. Jen is on a mission to support 1 million women as they speak with uncommon levels of freedom and confidence. Tap into more at

REALjenoliver.com

email: [email protected]

podcast website: ListenForREAL.com

90-day TEDx Talk ACCELERATOR

WomanSpeak™

website: REALJenOliver.com

LinkedIn:@thejenoliver

Instagram: @realjenoliver

Facebook: @jen.oliver.806001

If you believe conversations like these belong in the world, please subscribe, rate & review this podcast - and even better, share it with someone else as a REAL conversation starter. Subscribe to all things Jen at REALJenOliver.

Albert and I are close in age and shared values but we arrive at our conversation with very different origin stories…he grew up as a Mexican-American in LA surrounded by gangs, violence, insecurity and pain. I am a white girl raised in Silicon Valley with all of the privilege that comes with a stable family, education, and opportunity.  

We talk about trauma and transformation and navigating the circumstances that push us to “go to work” and rewrite our stories later in life.

Guest Bio:

Albert Chavez is not just a name; it's a symbol of transformation and resilience. An author, mentor, and founder of the Uncommon Man Transformation and Self-Mastery Program, he brings a riveting journey of personal growth and redemption that has inspired individuals worldwide.

From a turbulent past plagued with broken families and inner chaos, Albert emerged as a powerhouse of transformation. His best-selling book, "From Darkness to Redemption," is a beacon of hope for those seeking to overcome adversity and reclaim their lives. With this compelling narrative, Albert takes his audience on a profound voyage from despair to triumph.

As the father of three grown children (Kayleigh, Albert, Alyssa) and a doting grandfather to young Brielle, Albert knows the profound importance of his message. He’s a man who's walked the walk, and now he’s here to guide you along the path of self-discovery and redemption.

Albert delves into the core principles of personal growth and self-mastery. His insights offer invaluable tools for individuals to break free from the shackles of their past, confront their inner demons, and embrace a future filled with purpose and fulfillment.

Website: https://chavezfit.com/built-uncommon/

Instagram:  https://www.instagram.com/albertchavezfit/

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/albertrchavez/

Amazon: From Darkness To Redemption

TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@albertchavezofficial

Resources mentioned on this episode:

From Darkness to Redemption: A Journey of Transformation and Self-Mastery by Albert Chavez

About Jen Oliver:

I believe in conversation, connection, and community. I create platforms where we can share stories and information. I LOVE to hold space for people who want to elevate and amplify their truest voice. If you want to explore the ways you can work with me, let's connect!

email: [email protected]

podcast website: ListenForREAL.com

website: REALJenOliver.com

Instagram: @realjenoliver

TikTok: @realjenoliver

Facebook: @realjenoliver

LinkedIn: @realjenoliver

Join us in person for the REAL Conversations Speaker Series - here’s details and tickets! 

If you believe conversations like these belong in the world, please subscribe, rate & review this podcast - and even better, share it with someone else as a REAL conversation starter. Subscribe to all things Jen at REALJenOliver.

About Jen Oliver:

Jen Oliver is a speaker, podcaster, and communications coach - equipping people to speak with greater impact and presence. Whether you are speaking on stage, promoting your brand, or voicing your needs in a relationship - communicating with your truest voice and cultivating human connection with your audience is the key to influence. Jen coaches individuals privately and within her Signature group programs - in addition to delivering workshops as a guest expert in a variety of settings.

Jen serves as a 4-season Executive Producer, Director of Curation, and Speaker Coach for TEDxFolsom. She is a committed force behind WomanSpeak™ - an internationally recognized body of work teaching the art and soul of public speaking. Jen is on a mission to support 1 million women as they speak with uncommon levels of freedom and confidence. Tap into more at

REALjenoliver.com

email: [email protected]

podcast website: ListenForREAL.com

90-day TEDx Talk ACCELERATOR

WomanSpeak™

website: REALJenOliver.com

LinkedIn:@thejenoliver

Instagram: @realjenoliver

Facebook: @jen.oliver.806001

If you believe conversations like these belong in the world, please subscribe, rate & review this podcast - and even better, share it with someone else as a REAL conversation starter. Subscribe to all things Jen at REALJenOliver.

I’m the kind of person who dreams and plans in grand fashion. For years, I operated under a notion that big ideas require even bigger action plans - and that small actions are insignificant and a waste of time. And predictably, my workload became unsustainable and I would stall in overwhelm. Here's a newsflash if you resonate with me  - starting simply is not only incredibly effective - it is a reliable entry point to getting what we want and need.

In this episode I speak with Kathleen Klug, coach and author of Start With ONE. We talk about mindset shifts and beginning simply -  building upon small wins to accomplish major endeavors. 

Guest Bio:

Kathleen Klug has been working as a Fitness, Health & Wellness Professional for more than 40 years in the roles of Fitness Professional (Group Ex; Personal Trainer; CEU Instructor),  an Institute of Integrated Nutrition Holistic Health Coach, a Health Educator, and the author of START With ONE: A Simple Approach to Upgrade your Health: Body, Mind, & Spirit, and hold a degree in Addition Studies.

Website: https://kathleenklug.com/

Amazon: Start With One

Instagram:  https://www.instagram.com/kathleenklughealth/

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/KKHealthCoaching/

Resources mentioned on this episode:

Atomic Habits by James Clear

The Four Agreements: A Practical Guide to Personal Freedom by Don Miguel Ruiz

About Jen Oliver:

I believe in conversation, connection, and community. I create platforms where we can share stories and information. I LOVE to hold space for people who want to elevate and amplify their truest voice. If you want to explore the ways you can work with me, let's connect!

email: [email protected]

podcast website: ListenForREAL.com

website: REALJenOliver.com

Instagram: @realjenoliver

TikTok: @realjenoliver

Facebook: @realjenoliver

LinkedIn: @realjenoliver

Join us in person for the REAL Conversations Speaker Series - here’s details and tickets! 

If you believe conversations like these belong in the world, please subscribe, rate & review this podcast - and even better, share it with someone else as a REAL conversation starter. Subscribe to all things Jen at REALJenOliver.

About Jen Oliver:

Jen Oliver is a speaker, podcaster, and communications coach - equipping people to speak with greater impact and presence. Whether you are speaking on stage, promoting your brand, or voicing your needs in a relationship - communicating with your truest voice and cultivating human connection with your audience is the key to influence. Jen coaches individuals privately and within her Signature group programs - in addition to delivering workshops as a guest expert in a variety of settings.

Jen serves as a 4-season Executive Producer, Director of Curation, and Speaker Coach for TEDxFolsom. She is a committed force behind WomanSpeak™ - an internationally recognized body of work teaching the art and soul of public speaking. Jen is on a mission to support 1 million women as they speak with uncommon levels of freedom and confidence. Tap into more at

REALjenoliver.com

email: [email protected]

podcast website: ListenForREAL.com

90-day TEDx Talk ACCELERATOR

WomanSpeak™

website: REALJenOliver.com

LinkedIn:@thejenoliver

Instagram: @realjenoliver

Facebook: @jen.oliver.806001

If you believe conversations like these belong in the world, please subscribe, rate & review this podcast - and even better, share it with someone else as a REAL conversation starter. Subscribe to all things Jen at REALJenOliver.

Michelle Raz has a statement on the back of her business card that says, “ADHD is a gift…what’s yours?” Not gonna lie, I am not sure many kids and adults with ADHD would agree with her statement; for many it is excruciating terrain to navigate. There are answers!

Guest Bio:

Michelle Raz is an accomplished entrepreneur, author, and highly sought-after coach, specializing in ADHD and executive functioning skills that equates to academic and professional success. As the Co-Founder, Chief Executive Coach and Chief Business Officer of Thrivister, an innovative educational related mental health service company, she and her partner are pioneering an online academic coaching platform specifically designed to empower neurodivergent high school and college students. This is a culmination of her experience in the ADHD coaching industry which began in 2010. She serves on the Board of Directors for a non-profit promoting ADHD support for financially challenged students, Anthony’s Road To Kindness.  

She is also the founder of Raz Coaching,  a distinguished ADHD adult coaching service where she expertly navigates corporations to identify individuals who may struggle with executive functioning challenges and provide strategies to help harness their strengths, increasing employee retention and productivity that highlights individual potential and growth.

Beyond her entrepreneurial ventures, Michelle is a recognized thought leader in her field, cementing her authority through her book "Happiness+Passion+Purpose: A Step-by-Step Guide on How to Nourish the Patterns of Your Life Into the Job You Will Love and Land It!". Her insights and strategies have not only touched the lives of her readers but also inspired a wider audience through her features on prominent platforms like Attention Magazine and The Medium.

As a passionate advocate for neurodivergent individuals, Michelle Raz frequently shares her wisdom as a guest on popular podcasts and through her insightful blog posts. Her dedication to unlocking potential and fostering a culture of inclusivity reflects in every aspect of her work.

Michelle's overarching mission is to uncover the extraordinary gem inherent in each individual she encounters, intending to ignite a ripple effect of transformation and empowerment for all.

Website: http://www.thrivister.com

podcast website: https://tunein.com/podcasts/Podcasts/The-ADHD-Strategist-with-Michelle-Raz-p1251195/?topicId=161326949

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thrivister_coaching/

TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@thrivister_coaching

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/coachmichelleraz

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/Thrivister/

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@thrivister_coaching

Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/Happiness-Passion-Purpose-Nourish-Patterns/dp/1795530170

Resources mentioned on this episode:

Fusion Academy

DEI+B Diversity, Equity, Inclusion + Belonging

The UnSchool of Disruptive Design

About Jen Oliver:

I believe in conversation, connection, and community. I create platforms where we can share stories and information. I LOVE to hold space for people who want to elevate and amplify their truest voice. If you want to explore the ways you can work with me, let's connect!

email: [email protected]

podcast website: ListenForREAL.com

website: REALJenOliver.com

Instagram: @realjenoliver

TikTok: @realjenoliver

Facebook: @realjenoliver

Join us in person for the REAL Conversations Speaker Series - here’s details and tickets! 

If you believe conversations like these belong in the world, please subscribe, rate & review this podcast - and even better, share it with someone else as a REAL conversation starter. Subscribe to all things Jen at REALJenOliver.

About Jen Oliver:

Jen Oliver is a speaker, podcaster, and communications coach - equipping people to speak with greater impact and presence. Whether you are speaking on stage, promoting your brand, or voicing your needs in a relationship - communicating with your truest voice and cultivating human connection with your audience is the key to influence. Jen coaches individuals privately and within her Signature group programs - in addition to delivering workshops as a guest expert in a variety of settings.

Jen serves as a 4-season Executive Producer, Director of Curation, and Speaker Coach for TEDxFolsom. She is a committed force behind WomanSpeak™ - an internationally recognized body of work teaching the art and soul of public speaking. Jen is on a mission to support 1 million women as they speak with uncommon levels of freedom and confidence. Tap into more at

REALjenoliver.com

email: [email protected]

podcast website: ListenForREAL.com

90-day TEDx Talk ACCELERATOR

WomanSpeak™

website: REALJenOliver.com

LinkedIn:@thejenoliver

Instagram: @realjenoliver

Facebook: @jen.oliver.806001

If you believe conversations like these belong in the world, please subscribe, rate & review this podcast - and even better, share it with someone else as a REAL conversation starter. Subscribe to all things Jen at REALJenOliver.

We have another kind of “me too” movement on our hands. This conversation with Eunice Brownlee blew my mind as she shared her personal experience with domestic abuse and the inequities often found in the family court system. It is enough to experience abuse at the hands of another; but to endure additional pain inflicted by the very system meant to arbitrate justice and provide protection? Disheartening.

BUT conversations like this one change things! Eunice explains the often missed distinctions between domestic violence and domestic abuse - and that information holds the power to liberate many more of us.

I gained an expanded perspective that allows me to contribute to meaningful solutions instead of looking away and simply assuming “it’s all ok” (that’s code for hoping I never have to deal with it myself). This convo is an opportunity to witness another person’s story - thus, delivering more hopeful perspective that invites change instead of preserving the status quo.

*A loving warning about our content, this episode references acts of domestic violence and homicide within families. Please take care in listening.

Guest Bio:

Eunice Brownlee has spent her life telling stories across many mediums. As a multi-passionate creative, she’s used photography, marketing, writing, and public speaking to connect her message to the world. Because the heart of building community begins with sharing stories, Eunice uses her stories to connect, heal, and inspire change. Eunice spends time teaching others the craft of story in her speaking and writing practice. She has coached speakers in telling their stories with WomanSpeak and TEDxFolsom. Eunice’s writing has been published in Jennifer Magazine, Motherscope, and Spoken Black Girl, to name a few. When she’s not doing any of the above, she can be found seeking her next passport stamp and drinking wine.

website: www.eunicebrownlee.com

Instagram: @eunicebrownlee

LinkedIn: @eunicebrownlee

Resources mentioned on this episode:

The Callisto Vault is a platform providing cutting-edge technology that protects and empowers survivors, while increasing the likelihood that repeated perpetrators will be detected and held accountable. 

Jess Michaels TEDxFolsom talk

Know My Name,  A memoir by Chanel Miller

Unbelievable -  a true crime drama based on real life stories found on Netflix

About Jen Oliver:

I believe in conversation, connection, and community. I create platforms where we can share stories and information. I LOVE to hold space for people who want to elevate and amplify their truest voice. If you want to explore the ways you can work with me, let's connect!

email: [email protected]

podcast website: ListenForREAL.com

website: REALJenOliver.com

LinkedIn: @realjenoliver

Instagram: @realjenoliver

TikTok: @realjenoliver

Facebook: @realjenoliver

Join us in person for the REAL Conversations Speaker Series - here’s details and tickets! 

If you believe conversations like these belong in the world, please subscribe, rate & review this podcast - and even better, share it with someone else as a REAL conversation starter. Subscribe to all things Jen at REALJenOliver.

About Jen Oliver:

Jen Oliver is a speaker, podcaster, and communications coach - equipping people to speak with greater impact and presence. Whether you are speaking on stage, promoting your brand, or voicing your needs in a relationship - communicating with your truest voice and cultivating human connection with your audience is the key to influence. Jen coaches individuals privately and within her Signature group programs - in addition to delivering workshops as a guest expert in a variety of settings.

Jen serves as a 4-season Executive Producer, Director of Curation, and Speaker Coach for TEDxFolsom. She is a committed force behind WomanSpeak™ - an internationally recognized body of work teaching the art and soul of public speaking. Jen is on a mission to support 1 million women as they speak with uncommon levels of freedom and confidence. Tap into more at

REALjenoliver.com

email: [email protected]

podcast website: ListenForREAL.com

90-day TEDx Talk ACCELERATOR

WomanSpeak™

website: REALJenOliver.com

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We have another kind of “me too” movement on our hands. This conversation with Eunice Brownlee blew my mind as she shared her personal experience with domestic abuse and the inequities often found in the family court system. It is enough to experience abuse at the hands of another; but to endure additional pain inflicted by the very system meant to arbitrate justice and provide protection? Disheartening.

Guest Bio:

Eunice Brownlee has spent her life telling stories across many mediums. As a multi-passionate creative, she’s used photography, marketing, writing, and public speaking to connect her message to the world. Because the heart of building community begins with sharing stories, Eunice uses her stories to connect, heal, and inspire change. Eunice spends time teaching others the craft of story in her speaking and writing practice. She has coached speakers in telling their stories with WomanSpeak and TEDxFolsom. Eunice’s writing has been published in Jennifer Magazine, Motherscope, and Spoken Black Girl, to name a few. When she’s not doing any of the above, she can be found seeking her next passport stamp and drinking wine.

website: www.eunicebrownlee.com

Instagram: @eunicebrownlee

LinkedIn: @eunicebrownlee

Resources mentioned on this episode:

The Callisto Vault is a platform providing cutting-edge technology that protects and empowers survivors, while increasing the likelihood that repeated perpetrators will be detected and held accountable. 

Jess Michaels TEDxFolsom talk

Know My Name,  A memoir by Chanel Miller

Unbelievable -  a true crime drama based on real life stories found on Netflix

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I believe in conversation, connection, and community. I create platforms where we can share stories and information. I LOVE to hold space for people who want to elevate and amplify their truest voice. If you want to explore the ways you can work with me, let's connect!

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About Jen Oliver:

Jen Oliver is a speaker, podcaster, and communications coach - equipping people to speak with greater impact and presence. Whether you are speaking on stage, promoting your brand, or voicing your needs in a relationship - communicating with your truest voice and cultivating human connection with your audience is the key to influence. Jen coaches individuals privately and within her Signature group programs - in addition to delivering workshops as a guest expert in a variety of settings.

Jen serves as a 4-season Executive Producer, Director of Curation, and Speaker Coach for TEDxFolsom. She is a committed force behind WomanSpeak™ - an internationally recognized body of work teaching the art and soul of public speaking. Jen is on a mission to support 1 million women as they speak with uncommon levels of freedom and confidence. Tap into more at

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