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I decided to converse with one of my besties, Christina Fichera, to unpack the past year and some difficult stuff that we both are processing. We approach the conversation from varied perspectives given our lives are so different; Christina is in her 30’s and I am in my 50’s. I’ve been married twice and have adult kids and didn’t build a career until the last five years. Christina hasn’t married or had kids yet, and built a significant career over the past two decades.

We share a newfound understanding that beauty can coexist with pain and end up processing our recent challenges through that lens.

We also agree that normalizing discussions around struggle can be incredibly useful - but simultaneously wrestle with the belief that talking about this stuff might come too close to “airing our dirty laundry.”

The fear of sharing our emotions and exposing our personal journey with others is delicate. Like many, we wonder how we will be perceived when we divulge setbacks - will it affect our career or relationships?

Does our candor make us appear less competent despite being damn good at what we do?

Do our stories present an appearance of weakness or instability that can limit opportunities?

Have we learned discernment around when to share and with who?

Join the conversation.

Resources mentioned in this episode:

We refer to the following books; The Body Keeps the Score by Bessel Van Der Kolk, MD and Big Magic by Elizabeth Gilbert

We mention the We Can Do Hard Things podcast.

I reference a body of work and platform called  TBM in this episode - this resource has played a vital role in my personal healing journey; relieving a huge amount of mental load and unnecessary burdens. Here are links and a discount code for you too!  Enter this coupon code for 15% discount: JEN

Christina Fichera is one of my (Jen) BFFs and a person with an abundance of roles and titles. I am settling on these… 

Christina is REAL - a deep feeler and eternal learner. She loves to break things down and mine for the most essential aspects in everything. Christina is a speaker, salesperson, athlete, customer relationship manager, all-around-life-guru and curious soul.

This girl is also a podcast junkie in the best way. Christina listens to dozens of podcasts each week and is known to stick Post-it® notes all over the place (literally and on social media) as a means of documenting and sharing what she is learning.

Christina is a loyal friend and collaborator and one of my soul sisters with whom I have the best conversations! AND, she is the best pup mom ever to a very spoiled dog named Teddy. 

You can follow Christina on Instagram @ChristinaFichera_

Jen holds space for those who want to elevate and amplify their voice. If you desire support in speaking your truth and want to explore the ways you can work with Jen, let's connect: 

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About Jen Oliver:

Jen Oliver is a speaker, podcaster, and communications coach - equipping people to speak with greater impact and presence. Whether you are speaking on stage, promoting your brand, or voicing your needs in a relationship - communicating with your truest voice and cultivating human connection with your audience is the key to influence. Jen coaches individuals privately and within her Signature group programs - in addition to delivering workshops as a guest expert in a variety of settings.

Jen serves as a 4-season Executive Producer, Director of Curation, and Speaker Coach for TEDxFolsom. She is a committed force behind WomanSpeak™ - an internationally recognized body of work teaching the art and soul of public speaking. Jen is on a mission to support 1 million women as they speak with uncommon levels of freedom and confidence. Tap into more at

REALjenoliver.com

email: [email protected]

podcast website: ListenForREAL.com

90-day TEDx Talk ACCELERATOR

WomanSpeak™

website: REALJenOliver.com

LinkedIn:@thejenoliver

Instagram: @realjenoliver

Facebook: @jen.oliver.806001

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The stories we believe shape our lives; even the ones we discard influence us. But what about the stories we boldly decide to rewrite?

This past year, I decided that many of my personal narratives were not serving me — they were even harmful at points. Ronna Detrick and I uncover the root of some of our personal stories and how they've influenced us, whether they emerge from sacred spiritual texts, mythology, history, or stories passed down through family. Story is our collective language and it has greater influence on us than we might realize. Investigating long-held tales and revising them where appropriate can be powerful.

“…What if I saw myself as a woman who has lived a million lives…who has made [tough] decisions in her past and has had hard things happen?

And, what if I saw a woman who has endured and persevered - who is brilliant - who can step into a conversation and hold her own - who has plenty to say and sees herself worthy of that conversation…” Ronna Detrick

No matter who you are - imagine this way of being in the world. We are reexamining the stories we tell and have been told.

Guest Bio:

Ronna Detrick left the church and its dogma nearly twenty years ago but took the stories of women with her. Over the past two decades she has reimagined these sacred texts, peeled back centuries of patriarchal harm, and given the women within the voice, agency, and honor they have always deserved. 

Ronna combines her Master of Divinity degree with decades of coaching and spiritual direction, training and public speaking, corporate leadership and entrepreneurship. She shocked and delighted her audience in her provocative TEDx presentation, where she turned the traditional biblical story of Eve on its head, challenged the embedded and assumed doctrine, and presented an Eve who inspires and empowers women instead of shaming and silencing them. 

After living most of her life in the Pacific Northwest, she is now just minutes from the Atlantic Ocean in Hampstead, NC, where she writes, drinks strong coffee, has beautiful conversations with her clients, and cannot be dissuaded from the belief that her two daughters are the most amazing humans on the planet.

Website: https://ronnadetrick.com
Instagram: @ronnadetrick
Facebook: @ronna.detrick
LinkedIn: @ronnadetrick
"subscribe"  https://ronnadetrick.substack.com
Amazon Books Rewriting Eve: Rescuing Women's Stories from the Bible and Reclaiming Them as Our Own

Jen Oliver holds space for those who want to elevate and amplify their voice. If you desire support in speaking your truth and want to explore the ways you can work with Jen, let's connect: 

email: [email protected]
podcast website: ListenForREAL.com
website: REALJenOliver.com
Instagram: @realjenoliver
TikTok: @realjenoliver
Facebook: @realjenoliver

Join us in person for the REAL Conversations Speaker Series - here’s details and tickets! 

If you believe conversations like these belong in the world, please subscribe, rate & review this podcast - and even better, share it with someone else as a REAL conversation starter. Subscribe to all things Jen at REALJenOliver. 

About Jen Oliver:

Jen Oliver is a speaker, podcaster, and communications coach - equipping people to speak with greater impact and presence. Whether you are speaking on stage, promoting your brand, or voicing your needs in a relationship - communicating with your truest voice and cultivating human connection with your audience is the key to influence. Jen coaches individuals privately and within her Signature group programs - in addition to delivering workshops as a guest expert in a variety of settings.

Jen serves as a 4-season Executive Producer, Director of Curation, and Speaker Coach for TEDxFolsom. She is a committed force behind WomanSpeak™ - an internationally recognized body of work teaching the art and soul of public speaking. Jen is on a mission to support 1 million women as they speak with uncommon levels of freedom and confidence. Tap into more at

REALjenoliver.com

email: [email protected]

podcast website: ListenForREAL.com

90-day TEDx Talk ACCELERATOR

WomanSpeak™

website: REALJenOliver.com

LinkedIn:@thejenoliver

Instagram: @realjenoliver

Facebook: @jen.oliver.806001

If you believe conversations like these belong in the world, please subscribe, rate & review this podcast - and even better, share it with someone else as a REAL conversation starter. Subscribe to all things Jen at REALJenOliver.

Where has Jen been? A planned 8-week hiatus turned into a 6-month pause, by necessity...I have been processing a lot of personal stuff and the conversations are getting even more REAL. In this first episode back, I am unpacking one of the most difficult seasons of my life and getting more honest with myself and all of you. I invite dear friend and coach, Emily Nascimento, to join me in a discussion that hopefully encourages others who need permission, as I did, to:

a. take a break where necessary and get the care they need

b. normalize conversations about personal struggle and mental health

c. be true to themselves when making really difficult life decisions

Resources mentioned in this episode:

• Emily references use of an app called InsightTimer
• I reference a body of work and platform called  TBM in this episode - this resource has played a vital role in my personal healing journey; relieving a huge amount of mental load and unnecessary burdens. Here are links and a discount code for you too!  Enter this coupon code for 15% discount: JEN

https://login.tobemagnetic.com/a/2147524106/VKFvjsie
https://login.tobemagnetic.com/a/2147524155/VKFvjsie

Guest Bio: 

Emily Nascimento is a facilitator, ceremonialist, embodied leadership coach, philosopher, hiker and aspiring elder. 

Her vision for humanity is that we awaken to the magnificence of our cosmological story so that we can follow the evolutionary impulse to fully participate in the unfolding of creation before us. 

She leverages modalities rooted in depth psychology, nature-based rites of passage, ceremony and somatics to support people in discovering their authentic soul purpose and courageously committing to leading and living from this place.

Website:https://wildeyescoaching.square.site/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/seeingwithwildeyes/
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/emilynascimento/

Jen holds space for those who want to elevate and amplify their voice. If you desire support in speaking your truth and want to explore the ways you can work with Jen, let's connect: 

email: [email protected]
podcast website: ListenForREAL.com
website: REALJenOliver.com
Instagram: @realjenoliver
TikTok: @realjenoliver
Facebook: @realjenoliver

If you believe conversations like these belong in the world, please subscribe, rate & review this podcast - and even better, share it with someone else as a REAL conversation starter. Subscribe to all things Jen Oliver at REALJenOliver.

About Jen Oliver:

Jen Oliver is a speaker, podcaster, and communications coach - equipping people to speak with greater impact and presence. Whether you are speaking on stage, promoting your brand, or voicing your needs in a relationship - communicating with your truest voice and cultivating human connection with your audience is the key to influence. Jen coaches individuals privately and within her Signature group programs - in addition to delivering workshops as a guest expert in a variety of settings.

Jen serves as a 4-season Executive Producer, Director of Curation, and Speaker Coach for TEDxFolsom. She is a committed force behind WomanSpeak™ - an internationally recognized body of work teaching the art and soul of public speaking. Jen is on a mission to support 1 million women as they speak with uncommon levels of freedom and confidence. Tap into more at

REALjenoliver.com

email: [email protected]

podcast website: ListenForREAL.com

90-day TEDx Talk ACCELERATOR

WomanSpeak™

website: REALJenOliver.com

LinkedIn:@thejenoliver

Instagram: @realjenoliver

Facebook: @jen.oliver.806001

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We wade into deeper waters with our grown up version of the sex talk we never got as kids. Allison’s husband joins us to bring his very REAL perspective. Check out the last episode if you missed it. Bottom line, like many, I am slowly dismantling old ways of being and the belief systems that do not serve me nor my relationships! My guest, Allison Carver, has gone before me - doing this work in her own world and now guiding others on a similar path. Our candid conversation only gets better with Ian in the mix - revealing his viewpoint on sex, relationship, and the stuff some of our partners may be thinking and feeling. 

Our Guest(s): Allison Carver is a certified Life, Mastery, and Sensuality Coach. With 15 years of coaching experience she now focuses on educating women of all ages about their personal sexuality. She operates from a mindset that says, “It's not about age it's about where you are on your self-discovery journey.”

Married for 23 years to her best friend and beloved - Allison assumed that the sex life they enjoyed was “good enough.” A number of years ago, she took a deep dive into her own physiology and sexuality, as well as her limiting beliefs, micro traumas, and stories. In that process, she discovered all that still held her back from receiving life’s pleasures fully. Allison’s life completely transformed and she extends the same to others through private coaching, workshops, and a custom online courses.

Allison acknowledges the many explanations for why we have been kept in the dark about our bodies and then challenges the status quo. She is passionate about lighting the path for others with her stories and experience. She delivers much needed support to her clients who value compassionate and non-judgmental guidance.

Ian Carver, is a 25+ year Law Enforcement professional, long time business owner, LE instructor and speaker. Despite spending the majority of his career in the Special Operations Division of a very large California sheriff' department, Ian has been married for 23 years and is father to two teen boys, as well as a lifelong athlete, strength and conditioning coach, and published author. Nearing retirement, Ian is passionate about sharing his knowledge to not only benefit the service and concern peace officers can bring to their communities and their own safety, but also to improve the personal lives of public safety professionals as they navigate through their careers and relationships in the hopes of making it to the final day of work mentally, physically, and spiritually intact.

Website: https://allisonjoywellness.com/

Instagram:  https://www.instagram.com/sexwithallisonjoy/

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/allisonjoyFBA

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCHiQylkuk1tyrI6lgFTnWFg

Jen holds space for those who want to elevate and amplify their voice. If you desire support in speaking your truth and want to explore the ways you can work with Jen, let's connect: 

email: [email protected]

podcast website: ListenForREAL.com

website: REALJenOliver.com

Instagram: @realjenoliver

TikTok: @realjenoliver

Facebook: @realjenoliver

If you believe conversations like these belong in the world, please subscribe, rate & review this podcast - and even better, share it with someone else as a REAL conversation starter. Subscribe to all things Jen Oliver at REALJenOliver.

About Jen Oliver:

Jen Oliver is a speaker, podcaster, and communications coach - equipping people to speak with greater impact and presence. Whether you are speaking on stage, promoting your brand, or voicing your needs in a relationship - communicating with your truest voice and cultivating human connection with your audience is the key to influence. Jen coaches individuals privately and within her Signature group programs - in addition to delivering workshops as a guest expert in a variety of settings.

Jen serves as a 4-season Executive Producer, Director of Curation, and Speaker Coach for TEDxFolsom. She is a committed force behind WomanSpeak™ - an internationally recognized body of work teaching the art and soul of public speaking. Jen is on a mission to support 1 million women as they speak with uncommon levels of freedom and confidence. Tap into more at

REALjenoliver.com

email: [email protected]

podcast website: ListenForREAL.com

90-day TEDx Talk ACCELERATOR

WomanSpeak™

website: REALJenOliver.com

LinkedIn:@thejenoliver

Instagram: @realjenoliver

Facebook: @jen.oliver.806001

If you believe conversations like these belong in the world, please subscribe, rate & review this podcast - and even better, share it with someone else as a REAL conversation starter. Subscribe to all things Jen at REALJenOliver.

Yep, we are going there. A real conversation about sex without common misconceptions and shame.  I have been pretty disconnected from my body much of my life and am slowly dismantling old ways of being and the belief systems that do not serve me. My guest, Allison Carver, has gone before me - doing this work in her own life and now guiding others on a similar path. We blow up culturally approved narratives and discuss taboos that only keep us confused and unfulfilled. The bottom line, many of us have been kept in the dark with regard to our bodies and the power of the feminine operating at its fullest and most engaged. 

Our Guest: Allison Carver is a certified Life, Mastery, and Sensuality Coach. With 15 years of coaching experience she now focuses on educating women of all ages about their personal sexuality. She operates from a mindset that says, “It's not about age it's about where you are on your self-discovery journey.”

Married for 23 years to her best friend and beloved - Allison assumed that the sex life they enjoyed was “good enough.” A number of years ago, she took a deep dive into her own physiology and sexuality, as well as her limiting beliefs, micro traumas, and stories. In that process, she discovered all that still held her back from receiving life’s pleasures fully. Allison’s life completely transformed and she extends the same to others through private coaching, workshops, and a custom online courses.

Allison acknowledges the many explanations for why we have been kept in the dark about our bodies and then challenges the status quo. She is passionate about lighting the path for others with her stories and experience. She delivers much needed support to her clients who value compassionate and non-judgmental guidance.

"Take my hand, and I will guide you to the light of pleasure."

Website: https://allisonjoywellness.com/

Instagram:  https://www.instagram.com/sexwithallisonjoy/

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/allisonjoyFBA

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCHiQylkuk1tyrI6lgFTnWFg

Great resources and people referenced on this episode:

Come As You Are: The Surprising New Science that Will Transform Your Sex Life by Emily Nagoski, Ph.D.

Pussy: A Reclamation by Regena Thomashauer

Your host: Jen Oliver holds space for those who want to elevate and amplify their voice. If you desire support in speaking your truth and want to explore the ways you can work with Jen, let's connect: 

email: [email protected]

podcast website:ListenForREAL.com

website: realjenoliver.com

Instagram@realjenoliver

TikTok@realjenoliver

Facebook@realjenoliver

If you believe conversations like these belong in the world, please subscribe, rate & review this podcast - and even better, share it with someone else as a REAL conversation starter. Subscribe to all things Jen Oliver atREALJenOliver.

About Jen Oliver:

Jen Oliver is a speaker, podcaster, and communications coach - equipping people to speak with greater impact and presence. Whether you are speaking on stage, promoting your brand, or voicing your needs in a relationship - communicating with your truest voice and cultivating human connection with your audience is the key to influence. Jen coaches individuals privately and within her Signature group programs - in addition to delivering workshops as a guest expert in a variety of settings.

Jen serves as a 4-season Executive Producer, Director of Curation, and Speaker Coach for TEDxFolsom. She is a committed force behind WomanSpeak™ - an internationally recognized body of work teaching the art and soul of public speaking. Jen is on a mission to support 1 million women as they speak with uncommon levels of freedom and confidence. Tap into more at

REALjenoliver.com

email: [email protected]

podcast website: ListenForREAL.com

90-day TEDx Talk ACCELERATOR

WomanSpeak™

website: REALJenOliver.com

LinkedIn:@thejenoliver

Instagram: @realjenoliver

Facebook: @jen.oliver.806001

If you believe conversations like these belong in the world, please subscribe, rate & review this podcast - and even better, share it with someone else as a REAL conversation starter. Subscribe to all things Jen at REALJenOliver.

I have always been an explorer with regard to self-help, personal growth, therapy, recovery and the like. This year I began hearing of people’s experiences with plant medicines as a means of doing deeper work on the mental and physical pain that can significantly impact our lives. AND then I met Dr. Alya Ahmad and Dr. Tasnim Khan - two physicians (and sisters) with stunning resumes and extensive experience in medicine and patient care - who left conventional medicine and started their own practice providing Ketamine Assisted Psychotherapy. Their team is alleviating their clients’ suffering from conditions such as PTSD, depression, anxiety, chronic pain and more. What I LOVE is the path that brought them to this space. These are two doctors who finally acknowledged that they, as healers, needed help too. In their words, “We can only be as good for our patients as we are for ourselves…” Yes, to that, count me in.

Ketamine is legal and many are familiar with it as an anesthetic. But when used in a supervised and intentional setting it also relaxes a patient to a place where the nervous system is disarmed, mental chatter can be quieted, and deeper therapeutic work can begin. We talk all things Ketamine as it relates to our personal healing journeys and my mind is forever shifted as to what is possible.

Our Guests:

Dr. Tasnim Khan is a Primary Care Physician and Harvard University trained health care executive with over 27 years of experience in the healthcare field. She has owned, operated, and profitably exited health care practices and an IPA in the US and in the Middle East.

As a healthcare executive, Dr Khan has held leadership roles in private and public organizations in the US and abroad in countries such as Qatar and the United Arab Emirates. She led key nationwide innovative initiatives such as building a social health insurance scheme in Qatar ahead of the FIFA world cup event, private equity greenfield and brownfield launches of multispecialty clinics and hospitals in Dubai and the UK. Dr Khan also has deep experience in the health insurance sector, with her experiences working for United Healthcare, Aetna International and a large independent physician association in the Bay Area. She has also been a key member of the non-profit health sector in Sacramento, providing healthcare access to the underserved, uninsured and refugee populations.

Yet, her deepest passion lies in helping people optimize their wellbeing and advocate for their health despite a very complicated and fragmented health care system.  She is constantly seeking ways to extend health span and focus on prevention rather than the sick model of care that is embedded in current treatment paradigms of our health care system. The opportunity to offer people a refreshed model of care also includes mental health. The modalities to address mental health are rapidly changing and replacing the dated therapeutics and approaches that are no longer serving peoples needs to heal from within. Dr Khan is excited to be able to learn, teach and offer these new treatment paradigms to people in need. IN 2021, she partnered with a colleague to open one of Sacramento’s first holistic mental health center, providing legal psychedelics with therapy and holistic wellness.

Dr. Alya Ahmad is a former Associate Professor of Pediatrics at UCSF, with experience in academic and private settings overseas and in Texas and California. She is fellowship trained in Integrative Medicine, psychedelic-assisted therapy, and Ketamine-assisted therapy. She is also training as a MAPS provider through the Integrative Psychiatry Institute.

Dr. Ahmad is also a mother, immigrant, and woman of color who remains a continuous learner and educator. Having witnessed the effects of trauma and social inequities, her journey as a healer focuses on treating the neediest of populations.

As clinical faculty at Baylor College of Medicine and UCSF, Dr. Ahmad teaches better ways to care for children and their families. She founded programs that emphasize “whole” person care and the narrative medicine process for children with special needs, Down syndrome, obesity and other patients requiring complex care consultation services.

Dr. Ahmad harnesses the methodology of Narrative Medicine learned during her training at Columbia University to teach and practice medicine through compassion-based inquiry as a means of addressing illness in light of the overall landscape of a patient’s life. She believes natural and holistic paths to healing are possible with integrative and psychedelic medicines and therapies. Her mantra for care is simple; healing the self and others must include empathy and the respectful fusion of self-wisdom, ancient and novel therapies. 

Website: https://shamynds.com/

Instagram:  https://www.instagram.com/shamynds.healing/

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/shamynds

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/shamynds-healing-center/

Jen holds space for those who want to elevate and amplify their voice. If you desire support in speaking your truth and want to explore the ways you can work with Jen, let's connect: 

email: [email protected]

podcast website:ListenForREAL.com

website:www.REALJenOliver.com

Instagram@REALjenOliver

TikTok@realjenoliver

Facebook@realjenoliver

If you believe conversations like these belong in the world, please subscribe, rate & review this podcast - and even better, share it with someone else as a REAL conversation starter. Subscribe to all things Jen Oliver at REALJenOliver.

About Jen Oliver:

Jen Oliver is a speaker, podcaster, and communications coach - equipping people to speak with greater impact and presence. Whether you are speaking on stage, promoting your brand, or voicing your needs in a relationship - communicating with your truest voice and cultivating human connection with your audience is the key to influence. Jen coaches individuals privately and within her Signature group programs - in addition to delivering workshops as a guest expert in a variety of settings.

Jen serves as a 4-season Executive Producer, Director of Curation, and Speaker Coach for TEDxFolsom. She is a committed force behind WomanSpeak™ - an internationally recognized body of work teaching the art and soul of public speaking. Jen is on a mission to support 1 million women as they speak with uncommon levels of freedom and confidence. Tap into more at

REALjenoliver.com

email: [email protected]

podcast website: ListenForREAL.com

90-day TEDx Talk ACCELERATOR

WomanSpeak™

website: REALJenOliver.com

LinkedIn:@thejenoliver

Instagram: @realjenoliver

Facebook: @jen.oliver.806001

If you believe conversations like these belong in the world, please subscribe, rate & review this podcast - and even better, share it with someone else as a REAL conversation starter. Subscribe to all things Jen at REALJenOliver.

I appreciate this conversation with guest, Lisa May Bennett, about our shared history around grey-area drinking, sobriety, and the way in which addictive patterns can keep us stuck. We talk about our personal journeys with alcohol and how it can get in the way of closely-held dreams.  Full disclosure - Lisa has embraced sobriety and I have had short sprints with it.

We talk about the paradox of accepting a seemingly good life but forsaking ALL that is possible because we don’t want to give up that ONE thing. In Lisa’s case, giving up drinking altogether was essential to pursuing her goal of becoming a writer and published author. She did it! I

In my case, I’m still asking a lot of questions of myself…

Guest Bio:

Lisa May Bennett is a repeat late bloomer and the author of My Unfurling: Emerging from the Grip of Anxiety, Self-Doubt, and Drinking. She had a flourishing career in marketing and communications for more than two decades, including an eighteen-year stretch at the National Organization for Women. By publishing her first book in her 50s, she hopes to demonstrate that it's never too late to chase your dreams. Lisa is working on book number two about the process of self-publishing. She lives in Maryland and plans to cross the country in an RV with her husband one day.

Website: https://www.lisamaybennett.com/

Twitter: https://twitter.com/lisamaybennett

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/lisamaybennett/

Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lisamaybennett/

TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@lisamaybennett

Amazon: https://mybook.to/myunfurling

Jen holds space for those who want to elevate and amplify their voice. If you desire support in speaking your truth and want to explore the ways you can work with Jen, let's connect: 

podcast website: ListenForREAL.com

website: www.REALJenOliver.com

Instagram @REALjenOliver

TikTok @realjenoliver

Facebook @realjenoliver

If you believe conversations like these belong in the world, please subscribe, rate & review this podcast - and even better, share it with someone else as a REAL conversation starter. Subscribe to all things Jen Oliver at REALJenOliver.

About Jen Oliver:

Jen Oliver is a speaker, podcaster, and communications coach - equipping people to speak with greater impact and presence. Whether you are speaking on stage, promoting your brand, or voicing your needs in a relationship - communicating with your truest voice and cultivating human connection with your audience is the key to influence. Jen coaches individuals privately and within her Signature group programs - in addition to delivering workshops as a guest expert in a variety of settings.

Jen serves as a 4-season Executive Producer, Director of Curation, and Speaker Coach for TEDxFolsom. She is a committed force behind WomanSpeak™ - an internationally recognized body of work teaching the art and soul of public speaking. Jen is on a mission to support 1 million women as they speak with uncommon levels of freedom and confidence. Tap into more at

REALjenoliver.com

email: [email protected]

podcast website: ListenForREAL.com

90-day TEDx Talk ACCELERATOR

WomanSpeak™

website: REALJenOliver.com

LinkedIn:@thejenoliver

Instagram: @realjenoliver

Facebook: @jen.oliver.806001

If you believe conversations like these belong in the world, please subscribe, rate & review this podcast - and even better, share it with someone else as a REAL conversation starter. Subscribe to all things Jen at REALJenOliver.

We begin the new season with a discussion on codependent behaviors. GOOD TIMES! Jen and Shannon speak candidly about their own need for approval and validation, past and present. Some of us find our worth based on how OTHERS feel and experience THEIR lives. Many more take responsibility for the world before they would ever consider their own needs. Yep, codependency shows up in many forms. 

Guest Bio:

Shannon Curtis is a recording artist who makes emotionally-resonant songs drawn from her experience as a grown-ass woman, wrapped up in irresistible artpop production. She's been working as an independent recording and touring artist since 2006, and will be releasing her 10th studio album in as many years in the fall of 2022. Shannon also co-hosts the Misfit Stars Podcast with her husband, music producer Jamie Hill. She lives in Tacoma, Washington.

Website: https://shannoncurtis.net

Twitter: https://twitter.com/shannoncurtis

Instagram: https://instagram.com/shannoncurtismusic

Facebook: https://facebook.com/shannoncurtismusic

YouTube : https://www.youtube.com/shannoncurtismusic

Shannon Curtis’ music can be found on Spotify or wherever you seek new music, PLUS you can preview her music at: https://shannoncurtis.bandcamp.com.

Jen and Shannon talk about Glennon Doyle’s podcast interview with Elizabeth Gilbert, a self-proclaimed codependent in recovery. #WeCanDoHardThings

Jen’s 2021 podcast episode with Shannon Curtis and her husband, music producer, Jamie Hill. 

Jen holds space for those who want to elevate and amplify their voice. If you desire support in speaking your truth and want to explore the ways you can work with Jen, let's connect: 

email: [email protected]

podcast website: ListenForREAL.com

website: www.REALJenOliver.com

Instagram @REALjenOliver

TikTok @realjenoliver

Facebook @realjenoliver

If you believe conversations like these belong in the world, please subscribe, rate & review this podcast - and even better, share it with someone else as a REAL conversation starter. Subscribe to all things Jen Oliver at REALJenOliver.

About Jen Oliver:

Jen Oliver is a speaker, podcaster, and communications coach - equipping people to speak with greater impact and presence. Whether you are speaking on stage, promoting your brand, or voicing your needs in a relationship - communicating with your truest voice and cultivating human connection with your audience is the key to influence. Jen coaches individuals privately and within her Signature group programs - in addition to delivering workshops as a guest expert in a variety of settings.

Jen serves as a 4-season Executive Producer, Director of Curation, and Speaker Coach for TEDxFolsom. She is a committed force behind WomanSpeak™ - an internationally recognized body of work teaching the art and soul of public speaking. Jen is on a mission to support 1 million women as they speak with uncommon levels of freedom and confidence. Tap into more at

REALjenoliver.com

email: [email protected]

podcast website: ListenForREAL.com

90-day TEDx Talk ACCELERATOR

WomanSpeak™

website: REALJenOliver.com

LinkedIn:@thejenoliver

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 It isn’t every day that I lay on a treatment table with my nether regions exposed and a podcast is born. But…this is how I operate; we talk about the topics that many avoid. I loved recording this episode with my friend and SugarMama®, Shannon O’Brien. We discuss body image, getting your swagger back, and the weird things that many of us wonder about. We ponder the vulnerability phenomenon - that situation where you find yourself sharing the most intimate details of your life when doing a basic thing like getting your nails or hair done, or like me -  getting my bikini sugarwaxed. Something changes, the conversation gets REAL.

Our guest: SHANNON O'BRIEN AKA The SugarMama® is a certified Body Sugaring Professional, Founder of Love2Sugar.com and TheSugarNetwork.com, Host of The Sugar Show podcast, and overall badass boss babe.  She's a sassy and fun loving educator with 20 years of experience as a licensed esthetician and 12 years sugaring. After sugaring thousands of people from all walks of life, she has an interesting perspective on what people really feel after the door is closed and they jump up on her treatment table!

Connect with Shannon:

Website love2sugar.com

Instagram @love2sugar

Facebook @sugarmamashann

Great people, places, or things we referenced during this episode:

If you would like to find a place to get sugared in your area, check out our directory of certified Sugar Pros at  TheSugar Network.com

Jen holds space for those who want to elevate and amplify their voice. If you desire support in speaking your truth and want to explore the ways you can work with Jen, let's connect: 

email: [email protected]

website: www.beingREAL.me

Instagram @beingREALjen

TikTok @beingrealjen

Facebook @beingREALcommunity

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About Jen Oliver:

Jen Oliver is a speaker, podcaster, and communications coach - equipping people to speak with greater impact and presence. Whether you are speaking on stage, promoting your brand, or voicing your needs in a relationship - communicating with your truest voice and cultivating human connection with your audience is the key to influence. Jen coaches individuals privately and within her Signature group programs - in addition to delivering workshops as a guest expert in a variety of settings.

Jen serves as a 4-season Executive Producer, Director of Curation, and Speaker Coach for TEDxFolsom. She is a committed force behind WomanSpeak™ - an internationally recognized body of work teaching the art and soul of public speaking. Jen is on a mission to support 1 million women as they speak with uncommon levels of freedom and confidence. Tap into more at

REALjenoliver.com

email: [email protected]

podcast website: ListenForREAL.com

90-day TEDx Talk ACCELERATOR

WomanSpeak™

website: REALJenOliver.com

LinkedIn:@thejenoliver

Instagram: @realjenoliver

Facebook: @jen.oliver.806001

If you believe conversations like these belong in the world, please subscribe, rate & review this podcast - and even better, share it with someone else as a REAL conversation starter. Subscribe to all things Jen at REALJenOliver.