Listen Then Speak

In this episode, I sit down with Terry Rice, speaker, entrepreneur, and leadership trainer, for a real conversation about addiction, identity, fatherhood, discipline, and what it means to live in alignment. 

Terry brings the perspective of someone who has rebuilt more than once, opening up about getting fired from Facebook, losing his son TJ, and how those experiences shaped the way he leads, lives, and serves others today. We talk about overcoming alcoholism, building a life with intention, and using your scars, not to hide, but to help others grow. Honest, challenging, and full of perspective, this one is for anyone trying to lead with more clarity, purpose, and truth.

Successful on the outside but exhausted in private? Explore working with Jahmaal. Complete the short qualification process to see whether his coaching is a fit: https://act-3-agency.link/lts-coach-pod

Episode Highlights:

0:00 - Introduction

1:37 - Favorite genre of music and how it informs Terry’s life

4:15 - How Terry utilizes the gym

6:05 - Building resilience

8:35 - Terry’s why and his addiction to alcohol

13:57 - Exploring ‘functional addiction’

18:01 - How Terry hit his brick wall

24:38 - Your sense of purpose and conquering your addictions

27:52 - “What drives you today?”

32:55 - Work/life rhythms and getting alignment

39:37 - Being a dad and working, or having a business

42:23 - Episode wrap-up

Connect with Jahmaal on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jahmaalmarshall/

Interested in learning more about Terry?

https://performancesystems.co/keynote

https://buildwiththem.com/

Linkedin - https://www.linkedin.com/in/terry-rice/

Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/itsterryrice/

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WHAT YOU’LL HEAR IN THIS EPISODE:

01 - The Myth of External Closure

We’ve been conditioned to believe closure is something someone else delivers. Jahmaal unpacks why that belief is both biologically understandable and deeply damaging and introduces the Zeigarnik Effect, the psychological reason our minds grip unfinished situations so tightly.

“Closure is not a conversation. It’s a decision you make inside yourself about what that chapter meant and what you’re going to do next.”

02 - The Self-Sabotage Nobody Talks About

When unresolved pain goes unprocessed, we carry it forward, transferring it onto new managers, new partners, new collaborators who had nothing to do with the original wound. Jahmaal names this pattern “transferring pain forward” and explains why it masquerades as wisdom, discernment, and self-protection.

Key distinction from this segment:

Boundaries built from wisdom: identifying patterns, doing the work, watching for early signs

Walls built from unhealed wounds: treating everyone who resembles your past as a present-day threat

“You are punishing people for crimes they didn’t commit — and losing the very opportunities that could heal you.

03 - Your Internal Triggers Are Running the Show

A trigger isn’t just an emotional reaction — it’s your nervous system signaling that something unprocessed has been activated. The problem is that your nervous system cannot distinguish between what is actually dangerous and what merely resembles something that was dangerous before.

The result: you make survival decisions in contexts where survival isn’t actually at stake. You are fighting yesterday’s battle in today’s arena.

“When your unhealed triggers are driving, your future is being written by your past.”

Jahmaal also addresses why insight alone doesn’t equal healing and what it actually takes to update the internal narrative written at your most vulnerable moment.

04 - The Psychological Safety You’re Creating for Yourself

Here’s the reframe: your self-sabotage isn’t random. It isn’t weakness. It is strategy, a set of protective behaviors your psyche built to keep you safe. But there’s a critical difference between manufactured safety and real psychological safety.

Manufactured safety: controlled demolition of your own potential before someone else can cause the damage

Real psychological safety: the inner confidence that you can handle whatever comes, you will not be destroyed

If you find yourself saying, “I need to get out of my own way," then watch Jahmaal’s Unprogrammed webinar replay and explore the beliefs behind people-pleasing, false guilt, and overworking: https://act-3-agency.link/lts-webinar-episode

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Burnout does not start with your calendar. It starts with what you keep tolerating. 

In this episode, I sit down with Dr. Gwendolyn Oglesby-Odom, a healthcare executive and transformational servant leader, for a powerful conversation on boundaries, psychological safety, self-care, and what it really takes to lead without losing yourself. From non-negotiables and team culture to vulnerability and sustainable leadership, this episode is packed with wisdom for anyone trying to build healthier people and stronger teams.

Episode Highlights:

0:24 - Introduction

1:40 - Favorite genre of music and how it shapes her life

3:29 - The wellness gap for leaders on the front lines

4:05 - Why self-care has to be scheduled

5:31 - Night routines, boundaries, and protecting rest

7:36 - Non-negotiables and the cost of renegotiating them

10:17 - Delegation, team structure, and leadership vision

12:51 - Psychological safety and leading with vulnerability

20:15 - What to do when your work environment is draining you

23:00 - Vacation, refueling, and the leadership case for rest

25:51 - Leading with love and building a healthy team culture

35:11 - Dr. Gwen’s billion-dollar healthcare investment in Chicago

CONNECT WITH JAHMAAL

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jahmaalmarshall/

Website: https://listenthenspeak.com/

If you're ready to get measured results for both personally and professionally, schedule an appointment with Jahmaal

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Interested in learning more about Gwendolyn?

Linkedin: 

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Peace isn’t the absence of pressure. It’s the presence of structure.

In this solo episode, Jahmaal breaks down boundaries without bitterness and why most people don’t struggle with saying no, they struggle with guilt, fear, and the need to be liked. He shares how resentment builds when you wait too long, why overexplaining kills a boundary’s authority, and the simple framework that helps you set limits with clarity, consistency, and calm.

If you’re tired of protecting your peace with attitude, this one gives you the roadmap to protect it with discipline.

Successful on the outside but exhausted in private? Explore working with Jahmaal. Complete the short qualification process to see whether his coaching is a fit: https://act-3-agency.link/lts-coach-pod

Episode Highlights:

0:00 - Introduction

0:25 - Episode open

2:23 - The ‘B’ word (boundaries)

3:39 - Bitterness and what no boundaries gets you

11:07 - The affect on your business

14:07 - Why do we avoid boundaries?

16:03 - Being kind doesn’t always mean being available

17:31 - Clarity, consistency and calm

19:04 - The challenge for this week + closing thoughts

Connect on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jahmaalmarshall/

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On this episode of Listen Then Speak, I sit down with my friend (and repeat guest) Mita Mallick to talk about her new book, The Devil Emails at Midnight: What Good Leaders Can Learn from Bad Bosses. We get into the real workplace dynamics so many people quietly deal with: chaos, burnout, and “lethal loyalty”, and what it actually looks like to set boundaries without blowing up your career.

Mita shares how her upbringing as the daughter of Indian immigrant parents shaped the way she approached work, why “keep your head down and work hard” can backfire in modern corporate culture, and how bad bosses don’t just create stress, they create ripple effects that drain entire teams. We also unpack one of the book’s most memorable archetypes, “The White Rabbit” manager, and walk through practical ways to manage up, prioritize what’s urgent vs. important, and build a communication framework that protects your time and sanity.

If you’ve ever felt pressured to be available 24/7, struggled to advocate for yourself, or wondered how to lead well in a broken culture, this conversation is for you.

Planning a leadership event? Bring Jahmaal Marshall to your audience for practical conversations about executive burnout, boundaries, and sustainable high performance: https://act-3-agency.link/lts-speaking-episodes

Episode Highlights:

0:00 - Introduction

0:53 - Meet Mita!

2:25 - Favorite genre of music

3:07 - Management, flexibility and being a role model

5:30 - The start of Mita’s career and how her parent’s culture informed it

12:06 - The ‘F’ word (family)

17:09 - The “white rabbit”

21:16 - “Managing up” with a ‘white rabbit’

27:07 - Getting over the fear of ‘managing up’

30:13 - Urgency exhaustion and guarding your true priorities

33:59 - Advice to service-based, or faith-based professionals

38:12 - Where you can get Mita’s book

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jahmaalmarshall/

Interested in learning more about Mita Mallick?

Website https://www.mitamallick.com/

Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mita-mallick-2b165822/

Book: https://www.amazon.com/Devil-Emails-Midnight-Leaders-Bosses/dp/1394316488

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Burned out, stuck in your head, and still trying to lead like everything’s fine?

In this episode of Listen then Speak, I sit down with entrepreneur and biohacker Chaz Horn to talk about what it actually looks like to stress less without lowering the bar. We get into the mindset shifts that move you from fear and survival mode into clarity, gratitude, and real self-awareness, plus a few simple habits that help you reset your energy and get your creativity back.

We also zoom out to leadership and culture, including the difference between expectations and standards, and why collaboration might be the most overlooked growth strategy for high-performing leaders.

Successful on the outside but exhausted in private? Explore working with Jahmaal. Complete the short qualification process to see whether his coaching is a fit: https://act-3-agency.link/lts-coach-pod

Episode Highlights:

0:00 - Introduction

1:55 - Favorite genre of music and how it influences Chaz

5:52 - ‘Bio-hacking’ and awareness around your emotions

11:12 - One simple mindset shift (that has a big impact)

14:21 - Gratitude

23:08 - ‘Good’ dopamine and ‘bad’ dopamine

26:08 - Chaz’s mediation story

29:06 - What the “body in motion” does to increase creativity

33:05 - What brought Chaz to what he does today

37:03 - Where you can find Chaz

39:09 - Episode wrap-up

Connect on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jahmaalmarshall/

Interested in learning more about Chaz Horn?

Website: https://chazhorn.com/the-b2b-blueprint-to-predictable-sales

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chaz-horn/

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On this week’s Listen Then Speak, Jahmaal sits down with business coach Justin Janowski for a conversation that goes past surface-level advice and into what actually makes sales, pricing, and strategy feel clean and effective.

Justin is the founder of Faith2Influence, and began his entrepreneurial journey just like many others, with uncertainty and fear, but also with a strong desire to build a faith-driven, impactful, and financially successful business.

He joins Jahmaal to talk about why “sales” doesn’t have to feel pushy (or fake), and how the best sales conversations are really leadership with a clear invitation at the end. Justin also breaks down his simple framework for ending every call with a yes, a no, or the next call booked, so you stop living in follow-up limbo and start closing the open loops that quietly drain your time and energy.

You’ll also hear the mindset side: identity, emotional state, and the stories we tell ourselves about money and rejection, and the quick pre-call rituals Justin uses to show up grounded, confident, and aligned.

If you’re building a business, thinking about a side gig, or you just want to get better at communicating value without feeling “salesy,” this episode is for you.

Episode Highlights:

0:00 - Introduction

0:26 - Meet Justin Janowski

2:05 - Favorite genre of music that informs Justin’s life

4:45 - What started Justin’s passion for sales

8:18 - The problem that Justin was created to solve

12:36 - Sales that “feel good” and leading prospects to yes (or no)

19:31 - Win/win or no deal

21:30 - Diving into the sales conversation itself

25:45 - Rejection and why people quit too soon

28:11 - Your emotional state going into a sales call

32:31 - “I’m not in sales, how does this apply to me?”

34:27 - Some of Justin’s own rituals

37:59 - Where you can find Justin

39:07 - Episode wrap-up

Tired of thinking, “I need to get out of my own way”? Watch Jahmaal’s Unprogrammed webinar replay and explore the beliefs behind people-pleasing, false guilt, and overworking: https://act-3-agency.link/lts-webinar-episode

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- How Listen Then Speak began with Jahmaal walking through the woods—long before a microphone or audience

- How the podcast evolved into a globally trusted brand serving leaders, businesses, and entrepreneurs

- Reflections on some of Jahmaal’s most meaningful and impactful episodes

- A heartfelt thank-you to listeners, guests, partners, and supporters around the world

- A preview of what’s coming next as the podcast moves through the rest of 2026

This episode is a reminder that sustainable impact doesn’t come from rushing—it comes from listening, alignment, and intentional growth. It’s an invitation to slow down, reflect, and recommit to the work that truly matters.

Tired of thinking, “I need to get out of my own way”? Watch Jahmaal’s Unprogrammed webinar replay and explore the beliefs behind people-pleasing, false guilt, and overworking: https://act-3-agency.link/lts-webinar-episode

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For some people, helping others reach financial stability and freedom – is just a job.

For Bill Walters, it’s personal.

Before becoming a financial guru, Bill spent six years caring for his mother during her battle with dementia. He also raised a daughter with emotional, medical, and psychological needs. These experiences taught him firsthand how unpredictable life can be and how important it is to plan ahead with wisdom and care.

Today, he works with people who are navigating life on their own terms. Whether managing a household or growing a business, to planning for retirement, or a loved one’s long-term care – Bill’s mission is to help you achieve lasting financial stability and solvency through solutions that truly fit your journey.

He joins Jahmaal to share more about his journey and this crucial intersection between his experiences, and what he does to help others now. They also touch on the importance of mindset and control. The magic of simple, responsible decision making and more!

Tired of thinking, “I need to get out of my own way”? Watch Jahmaal’s Unprogrammed webinar replay and explore the beliefs behind people-pleasing, false guilt, and overworking: https://act-3-agency.link/lts-webinar-episode
 

Episode Highlights:

0:00 - Introduction

0:22 - Episode open, introduction to Bill Walters

1:20 - Bill’s favorite genre of music (and how it informs his life)

3:44 - What’s developed Bill into who he is today

5:22 - Bill’s draw to “see things perfected”

10:12 - Bill’s advice for your own loved ones

14:53 - Mindset, burnout and control

23:05 - Roadmapping financial (and mental) success

26:32 - How you can find your “why”

29:22 - Re-building a nest egg

33:15 - Closing thoughts
 

CONNECT WITH JAHMAAL

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jahmaalmarshall/

Website: https://listenthenspeak.com/
 

Interested in learning more about Bill Walters?

+1 (267) 278-5062 | +1 (609) 994-0222

[email protected]

www.perfectlyimperfectfamilies.com

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Our personal lives and professional lives. Two areas typically kept completely separate, never to see one another.

In reality, who we are, what we’ve been through and what we “do” for a living are all inextricably linked. 

Failure informs what we do in the future. Adversity helps build us stronger. Mistakes are what make us.. well, human.

These aren’t things to be ignored, but experiences to be embraced for the true growth potential they provide.

Today’s guest and episode focuses on this very fact. 

Michael Stephenson is a community leader and marketing expert with over 20 years of experience driving significant change. His company, Brim and Brand is a full-service marketing and advertising agency. 

His focus on fostering meaningful progress and his leadership is second to none but most importantly, is informed by the challenges and obstacles he faced in his own life as a young man – which we examine in this episode.

Additionally Michael shares his blueprint for others, what inspires him to “give back” and enrich his community, his 3 big takeaways from someone starting over and more great nuggets of wisdom!

Planning a leadership event? Bring Jahmaal Marshall to your audience for practical conversations about executive burnout, boundaries and sustainable high performance: https://act-3-agency.link/lts-speaking-episodes

Interested in learning more about Michael?
 Website: https://brimxbrand.com/

Discount Code: LTS2026
 

Episode Highlights:

0:00 - Introduction

1:47 - Meet Michael Stevenson

3:18 - Favorite genre and how it informs Michael

6:24 - Michael’s early days

16:01 - Moving to now: Starting the company and how Michael runs it

29:16 - Letting go of bitterness and resentment

31:00 - Michael’s 3 Takeaways

33:22 - Where you can find Michael
 

CONNECT WITH JAHMAAL

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jahmaalmarshall/

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