If there’s a sign something in IT has moved past the hype, it’s not that digital organizations continue to adopt it, it’s that they continue to see better and better results. Both the most traditional and the most forward-thinking, DevOps organizations are seeing continually improved outcomes.

This is especially true for so-called DevSecOps orgs. You know, the ones that bake security right into their people, processes, pipelines and code.

In this episode of The New Stack Makers, publisher Alex Williams sits down with Alanna Brown, director of product marketing at Puppet, and Charles Betz, an analyst with Forrester, to talk about the current state of security in DevOps. Brown is the co-author of 2019 State of DevOps Report — and of the previous six reports — while Betz is co-author of Top 10 Trends That Will Shape Modern Infrastructure And Operations In 2020.