Federal cuts aren’t the only threat to the economic influence of North Carolina’s colleges and universities. Some grants are tied to international students, and would be lost if those students don’t return, or if new enrollees decide not to come to the U.S. for research that was already funded. What a “quadruple whammy” could mean for higher education in NC.

And, Katelyn MacDonald has been stopped on the street, in coffee shops, and at a baseball game after she was recognized from her TikTok videos, where she covers pop songs by LGBTQ+ artists… on church bells! We take a listen. *encore edition*

Guests

Barnet Sherman, teaches Multinational Finance & Trade at Boston University

Brianna Atkinson, Higher Education Reporter WUNC News

Katelyn MacDonald, volunteer bell ringer at Duke Memorial United Methodist Church, and staff specialist at Duke Chapel