Malcolm Jenkins joins Chris Long today for an in-depth conversation about leadership, uncertainty and football. Malcolm’s new book, What Winners Won't Tell You: Lessons from a Legendary Defender, tells Malcolm’s journey from falling in love with football to his college career at Ohio State to NFL stardom and then the transition to his next phase of life. Chris and Malcolm detail their time together in Philly as well as their takes on NFL and professional leadership and uncertainty in life.

(1:40) - Malcolm Jenkins talks his new book, What Winners Won't Tell You: Lessons from a Legendary Defender

(15:45) - Transitioning from the NFL into his next chapter, NFL leadership and ayahuasca

(47:30) - Malcolm’s football career, Eagles Super Bowl victory, Saints career with Sean Payton and Ohio State