Mariame Kaba joins Dean Spade for this episode of Love in a F*cked Up World. Mariame and Dean talk about the dangers of putting leaders on pedestals in our movements, what to do when you or someone you know is getting canceled, how to relate to the concept of hope in this time, how norms about sex and romance influence resistance work, and letting go of certainty.

Transcript available at https://deanspade.net/podcast

Mariame is currently organizing a book drive to help keep Bluestockings cooperative bookstore in NYC open. Learn more and support the book drive here.

Check out resources mentioned in this episode: 

• Interrupting Criminalization
• Project NIA
• We Do this ‘Til We Free Us (Haymarket Books, 2021)
• Let This Radicalize You, by Kelly Hayes and Mariame Kaba (Haymarket Books, 2023)
• No More Police, by Mariame Kaba and Andrea J. Ritchie (The New Press, 2022)
• 1 Million Experiments (podcast)

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