In this special episode of Book Overflow, Martin Fowler joins Carter and Nathan to discuss his book Refactoring: Improving the Design of Existing Code. Join them as Martin shares why he wrote Refactoring, how the art of refactoring has changed, and how he views the book's legacy!https://martinfowler.com/-- Books Mentioned in this Episode --Note: As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases.----------------------------------------------------------Refactoring: Improving the Design of Existing Code by Martin Fowler and Kent Beckhttps://amzn.to/4enmuox (paid link)The Art of Agile Development, 2nd Edition by James Shore and Shane Wardenhttps://amzn.to/47TiM3D (paid link)Make No Law: The Sullivan Case and the First Amendment by Anthony Lewishttps://amzn.to/3zJ3K3O (paid link)----------------00:00 Intro01:58 Motivation for writing the book09:45 Refactoring, Extreme Programming, and testing19:17 Estimating, Unknowns, and Complexity23:40 Trust and High Performing Teams30:32 refactoring in the wild: imitate, assimilate, innovate, best practices and sensible defaults43:39 Legacy of the book and rational for second edition47:35 What are the role of books now? Evergreen content, Long-form content in a world of short-form content.01:03:21 Book Recommendations01:09:12 Closing Thoughts----------------Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/5kj6DLCEWR5nHShlSYJI5LApple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/book-overflow/id1745257325X: https://x.com/bookoverflowpodCarter on X: https://x.com/cartermorganNathan's Functionally Imperative: www.functionallyimperative.com----------------Book Overflow is a podcast for software engineers, by software engineers dedicated to improving our craft by reading the best technical books in the world. Join Carter Morgan and Nathan Toups as they read and discuss a new technical book each week!The full book schedule and links to every major podcast player can be found at https://www.bookoverflow.io