First Dave Gonzales joins Katey to look at how Thunderbolts fits into the Marvel Cinematic Universe's current existential crisis, and whether Fantastic Four later this summer can keep the good vibes going. Then Matlock creator Jennie Snyder Urman and star Kathy Bates talk about how they crafted a legal procedural for the modern era, and why it was good enough to bring Kathy back from the brink of retirement.