Joining TC Currie for this episode of The New Stack Makers is Masha Sedova, co-founder and CPO of Elevate Security, one of this year’s winner of CloudNOW’s Top Women in Cloud Innovation award, and creator of the game Hacker’s Mind.

“It doesn’t matter what people know, it matters what they do,” said Sedova. "We’ve done a good job of telling people that they need to be concerned about security, but we haven’t told them what they need to do about it."  So engineers across tech are uncomfortably numb.  They’re concerned, she said, but un-empowered.

After seeing really boring (and totally ineffective) security training, she and co-founder Robert Fly decided to focus on what they call people-powered security.  With the explosion  CI/CD pipelines, so much automation is taking place in the areas of QA and testing but security remains one of the last holdouts for integration into the pipeline.