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Mastering Mental Performance with Kevin DeShazo
Unlock the keys to success with Kevin DeShazo in this empowering episode of the Circuit of Success podcast. Join host Brett Gilliland as they delve into mental performance mastery, exploring pivotal topics like student-athletes transferring schools, decision-making grounded in knowledge, and the art of disciplined commitment. Discover the transformative impact of self-talk and the strategy of stacking small successes as Kevin shares insights into personal growth and development. “The power of self-talk is so important,” Kevin asserts, emphasizing its role as the language shaping our success. Kevin advocates for pushing beyond comfort zones to foster growth in this conversation. Gain valuable tips on learning from past leaders, making decisions without emotion, and preparing for adversity. Kevin’s wisdom extends to the significance of reading diverse perspectives, following engaging figures on social media, and immersing oneself in insightful books. This episode serves as a compelling reminder to reflect on your goals and dreams, taking actionable steps towards realizing them. By integrating practices like self-talk, stacking small successes, and embracing continuous learning, listeners can enhance their confidence and resilience, making tomorrow better than today. Tune in to this Circuit of Success podcast episode and embark on a journey of self-discovery, empowerment, and tangible strategies for achieving lasting success.
Mastering Mental Performance
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Welcome to the Circuit of Success.
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I’m your host Brett Gilliland in today.
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I’ve got Kevin DeShazo with me, Kevin. How
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you doing?
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Fantastic. How are you? I am good. How’s,
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Oklahoma City treating you today?
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It’s great.
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Not too wintery of weather yet. It’s actually
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pretty nice. So it’s a it’s good Monday.
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Awesome. It’s a little chilly and rainy here,
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but it it could be a lot worse.
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So that’s our item. I’m just outside of
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Saint Louis.
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And, so you are in Oklahoma City.
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You are the father of three boys. We
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both have something in common. We both have
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an asher.
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And you are married and running some businesses.
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Certified mental performance,
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mastery coach and founded, field house, media.
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And, we’ll talk about some other stuff as
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well. So, before we get started though, Kevin,
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could you just give us a little lay
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of the land? What’s made you the man
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you are today and what’s some of the
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backstory for you?
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Oh, what is that’s a big question. What
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has made me the man I am seeing?
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Probably who has made me the man I
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am seeing?
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You know, I’ve I’ve been really fortunate to
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have great mentors, great people,
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in my life from a a young age.
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And I think the the two things I’ve
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learned probably the most from from all those
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mentors combined is one, the power of speaking
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belief in the people. These are always people
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who believed something in me. Saw something in
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me, called those things up in me,
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treated me as if I I’ve I’ve already
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was those things
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and two, just the, their, the way they
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modeled their life. Right? They were people who
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were accountable. They were disciplined. They were consistent.
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What’s it was important to me. They were
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they were all rooted in faith.
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So they were good husbands, good dads, good
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business people, whatever their job was.
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And so I’ve always had had good mentors.
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And then over the years, you know, I
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went into the corporate world right out of
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college. Well, that’s not true.
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Don’t have to go down this down down
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this revolt, but I was I was an
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embalmer’s assistant for six months immediately out of
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college. Wow.
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Then then went into the corporate world. Then
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started my own business,
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and businesses. And so lots of ups and
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downs of peaks and valleys and failures and
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successes,
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think all those things, all those experiences, the
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wins and losses, you know, they they each
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kinda mold you into. If you allow them
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to, if you use them the right way,
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they mold you into,
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who you’re supposed to be. Yeah. And you
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grew up in Oklahoma?
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Mostly, I was in Missouri, until sixth grade.
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And so I moved to Tulsa, Oklahoma,
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right after I finished sixth grade, and dinner,
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Oklahoma since then. Nice. And doing some work
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with Oklahoma, the university. Right? That’s right. Yeah.
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We we do a lot with their athletic
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department, both from their administration, you know, jokes
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to Leon, their athletic director, their leadership team,
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their department,
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but also work with a lot of their
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sports teams,
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worked deeply with football team, travel with the
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football team. So it’s a it’s it’s a
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fun a fun client to have. Yeah. So
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speaking of football, so how did,
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how did you think it went last night?
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They picked the top four teams.
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Well, Florida State’s also a client. Yeah. Oh.
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So so so didn’t didn’t love them being
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left out.
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You know, it’s it’s a there’s probably a
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bigger societal perspective to take on it, but
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it was
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you know, the committee went, in my opinion,
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they went on feelings based on that I
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rather rather than based on facts.
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I just think it’s tough to leave,
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a Power five undefeated team
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out, you know,
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in in place of teams who have who
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have lost skin. Now for that fourth spot,
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I think there could be a lot of
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argument. Whether it’s Bamba or Georgia or Texas
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or
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even Ohio State, you know, they’re only lost
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being to Michigan. There’s a lot of argument
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for that fourth spot, but my opinion, Florida
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State should have been should have been a
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guarantee. Yep. Yeah. It’s tough. And I guess
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next year going to what? Ten teams or
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twelve teams, whatever they’re doing next year. Yeah.
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Twelve will change from that. But then you’ll
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still have the thirteenth team. That’ll be mad.
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That’s right. And, That’s right. That’s where I
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go because you’re right. It’s like the twelve
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team solves
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this discussion in terms of, like, okay. They
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would have all had a chance.
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And and I’ve been, you know, hoping and
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waiting for this this twelve team for a
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while because I my general opinion is if
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you’re in the top 08:10, maybe twelve,
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you probably have a good chance, like, to
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win a national, like, a national title. You’ve
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got some talent. You’re you’re pretty elite.
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There’s not always. Some years, there’s a massive
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difference, but typically that that one to eight,
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one to ten gap is not very wide.
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Once you get thirteen, fourteen, fifteen, say, okay,
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you’ve probably lost two or three games. It’s
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like you’ve had enough of a chance
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But it’ll be but there’s always gonna be
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someone who feels left out. Right? And whether
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there were thirty teams, right, someone’s gonna feel
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left out. Yep. Yeah. Well, you look at,
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like, Liberty, I saw the twelfth team, I
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think, liberty.
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And then you got, like, LSU on the
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thirteenth.
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Oh, wow.
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So the thirteenth team was LSUU. You look
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at the difference of who they’re all playing,
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you know, a little bit different deal there.
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So so, And and Liberty Liberty go to
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play Oregon. So that’ll be interesting. Yeah.
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Yeah. Who who are you guys playing?
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We’ve got Arizona. Will be a great I
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mean, Arizona, they’ve won, like, five straight, I
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believe.
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Mhmm. And then when you add all the
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transfer portal, so our quarterback just announced today,
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he’s leaving
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as a grad transfer, we’ve got a we’ve
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got a guy who’s who’s playing behind him,
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who was ready. And he this year was
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kind of a mentoring year for him. Talked
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about great leadership.
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But portal season,
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people transferring, coaches, moving around. So it’ll be
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interesting.
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Yeah. It’s crazy. I saw today the, so
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Ohio States play in Missouri,
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and they’ve already announced, like, their quarterbacks leaving
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Ohio State’s quarterback leaving. They had, like, I
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don’t know. Five or six guys already say
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they’re not playing in the game. It’s, like,
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it’s wild. It’s wild.
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Yeah. Yeah. So so how do we fix
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that? The societal problem of of this. Right?
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What I worry about with the, the transfer
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portal and all that stuff as accountability
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is kids these days can run from Right?
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Because if I hold you accountable Gilliland
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you don’t like that, well, then what are
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you gonna do? You’re just gonna take your
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bag and you’re gonna take the ball and
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go home. Right? So so what are your
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thoughts on and then how do we fix
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that issue?
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Yeah. It’s really interesting.
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I think transferring is fine.
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I liked the old way where you had
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to sit out for a season because that
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made you have to really think, like, okay.
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Am I do I really wanna go somewhere?
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Am I really that unhappy?
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That I’m willing to go sit for a
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year and lose development, lose playing time, lose
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putting myself on tape. If I think I’m
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good enough to go to the NFL, or
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MBA, whatever it may be.
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And so I I think there has to
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be some form of consequence,
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so to speak, transferring to cause them to
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to pause a little bit, which I think
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is is now come back. Now you can
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transfer
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once freely, but the second time I think
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now you have to sit out. Something along
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those lines. Okay.
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Or or some situation where you have to
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get a waiver. I mean, I think just
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allowing kids to transfer
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You know, when I was eighteen, I knew
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nothing. I should not have been making decisions
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for my life or my career at at
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eighteen because it would have all been based
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on how I the moment. And if someone
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does something I don’t like, well, this coach
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is against me. They’re being a jerk. Like,
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no, this is called discipline and accountability. And
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this is what growth looks like.
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So I think we’ve we’ve got a what’s
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interesting is the person who gets hurt the
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most in this are the student athletes. They
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think it’s helping the student athletes. They’re the
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ones who get hurt the worst. Because they
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all go on the Gilliland then, you know,
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whatever the number is, forty five, fifty percent
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have nowhere to go.
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There there’s no spot. So they think they’re
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going to greener pastures, and there’s nothing. And
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they go from a, you know, it could
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be an Oklahoma State to a division two
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or division three school or a low level,
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group of five, you know, division one school.
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It’s like, wait a minute. I was in
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the Big twelve. And now I’m
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at at, you know, the bottom of the
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pack in the sun belt or whatever it
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may be. Yeah.
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So I think that’s that’s part of it.
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I think we need to change the timing
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they they had a few portal windows, but
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doing it right now,
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when one coaches football coaches from December first
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to December sixteenth is an is an open
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period for recruiting. So they’re visiting all these
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high school kids,
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for the next two weeks while trying to
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keep their current roster here
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while trying to prepare for a bowl game.
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And signing day
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is in the next two to three weeks,
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like, the the main signing day. So then
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all this is happening in a matter of
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three weeks. And it’s just utter chaos,
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for everyone. And so to say, wait a
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minute. Like, we’ve gotta calm down with the
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opt outs of bowl games with being able
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to transfer
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there’s gotta be value in finishing what you
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started.
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And and if you wanna transfer, that’s okay.
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It might you might be in the wrong
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situation. Right? They may have fired your coach.
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You’re like, man, I don’t buy into the
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new coach. Like, this is not what I
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was here for. There’s always situations,
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but I do think there has to be
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a better process where it benefits everyone.
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Yeah. I’ve talked to coaches, you know, it’s
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it’s tough because now they’re having to recruit
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the same kids. They’ve already recruited Right? And
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so if it doesn’t get me easier. And
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that that whole accountability thing, like I mentioned,
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is what what worries me. And
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I don’t know. You worry about I worry
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about this. I mean, I’m just getting to
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be the old dad. You worry about, like,
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chat, GPT. I worry about that stuff. Like,
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is that gonna take away critical thinking from
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our kids?
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Right. Right. All that Gilliland so that’s probably
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a whole another podcast. But,
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so you are a big reader, I see.
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And so talk to me about that. So,
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obviously,
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I think it’s a a big important thing
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that people obviously need to do, but talk
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to me about what you get from it,
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what’s your process like, kind of books you
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recommend.
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I just think, you know, I fell in
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love with reading at a young age. I
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mean, in kindergarten, I was reading six grade
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level books and couldn’t couldn’t get enough. I
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just loved reading.
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And then you know, kinda as as school
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tends to do, I was forced to read.
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And so I lost kind of the love
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and and passion for it when I didn’t
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have a have a choice in when I
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was getting to read and when I read
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it.
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But I’d say in the last 10:15 years,
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I’ve just kinda rediscovered that passion.
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It sparks ideas. It’s a good way for
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me to to it’s it’s a weird combination
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of shutting off my brain, but also turning
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on my brain. Right? I can shut it
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off from my day to day and things
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that,
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cause stress or I’m building or need to
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think about, but it allows me think about
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new things, and think about the things I’m
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doing maybe in a in a different way.
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And I just I don’t know who who
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the original quote, where it’s from, but, you
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know, leaders are readers. And I just think
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that’s we we have to be reading. We
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can’t be stagnant just because I know what
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I’m doing in this lane today,
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doesn’t mean I know much about tomorrow or
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these other areas. And so I think trying
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to be well read, and trying to model
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that for my kids. Like, it’s just a
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good way to to slow down. Fortunately so
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far, my kids love reading. My fourteen year
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old, you know, we’ll go to Florida in
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the summer, and it’s probably, I don’t know,
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ten hour drive, twelve hour drive, and he’ll
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he’ll read an entire book, you know, just
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sit in the back of the car. We
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won’t hear from him the whole trip. He’s
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just got his his his head in the
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book. And,
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and, and he loves it. I mean, he
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read one year
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all the Harry Potter books from Christmas to
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February.
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Wow. Just just sat down and and yeah.
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And so I, yeah, I just think it’s
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such a valuable thing and and part of
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it.
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You know, I don’t know if I just
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think this or if this is true, but
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I think as a society in general, we
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don’t read enough.
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Social media doesn’t count. Right? Like, Twitter is
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not reading.
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And and so I think we we just
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kinda lost the the value that the books
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bring historical books, new books, And so I
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I like all topics. That’s probably not fair.
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I love reading leadership books. I love reading
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business books. I love history of getting getting
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more and more into older history books and
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seeing what leaders of the past did. Right?
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There there’s nothing new under the sun. So
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we can come up with with all these
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new leadership books today, but
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what did people do in the early nineteen
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hundreds and the eighteen hundred. Like, what were
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they thinking? Those those principles still matter, you
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know, so so learning from leaders of the
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past.
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Love it. Love it. You got a book
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right there behind you. I can see that
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one right there. Keep keep chopping wood.
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Yep. Right? So tell me about that.
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It was really interesting.
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So kind of the backstory on it. It
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was a Saturday night in January, and and
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it was freezing outside, like snow on the
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ground type freezing.
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And at the time, we lived in about
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a hundred and five year old house in
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downtown Oklahoma City.
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We’ve recently moved,
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just general life advice for anyone listening. Don’t
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move between Christmas and New Year’s. Like, that’s
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a great test of your marriage.
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We passed, thankfully.
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But so at the time we lived in
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a hundred and five year old home, and,
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you know, the windows were
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were less than paper thin.
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And my neighbor had a wood burning fireplace.
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And so we’re sitting there watching TV one
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night, and I can smell his fireplace burning.
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You know, my brain goes weird places, and
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I’m like, wonder? Like, wonder where firewood comes
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from? Like, what’s the process? Like, what how
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does that how does it get from tree
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to fireplace? Like, what does that look like?
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And and so I’ve googled it. Obviously, it’s
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not sound like secret process. I think government
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is not trying to prevent us from knowing
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what this looks like. And so I I
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what I found was
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that
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that the wood my neighbor was burning was
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not from that morning. It wasn’t from earlier
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in the week. That wood goes through this.
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It’s called seasoning, but it’s essentially just drying
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out. Wood has to dry out. It could
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be six, 09:12, fifteen months depending on the
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wood.
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In order for it to be ready for
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the fireplace in order for it to be
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be useful. Same thing if anyone listening, you
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know, you you go camping, well, if you
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try to light what
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firewood or your campsite, it’s not gonna work
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out. So same concept.
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And so I’m like, oh, interesting. Well, that
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means somebody had to be out in, like,
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March getting that firewood. You know, this wasn’t,
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like, earlier this week or earlier in the
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month, or this was months ago when they
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didn’t need it. That’s interesting. And so that
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made me think of culture and leadership and
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this process of of getting better.
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And so I just fired off a tweet
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as I typically do and,
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went to bed. Tell my wife’s, like, I
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think I found the idea of my next
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book. And she’s like, I’m sure you did
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because this is a seven times a week.
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I think I have an idea for a
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new book.
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And and so I woke up and it
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had kinda blown up a little bit. Like,
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okay. Interesting. That that resonated, which that’s a
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lot of what social media is for me
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is just putting out thoughts to see what
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resonates, what connects,
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and that one did. And so then I
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I have a a newsletter that I write
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for leaders every day.
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Used that story
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in my newsletter. So that was on a
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Saturday. Use this the story of my newsletter
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on a Monday. And I don’t usually get
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responses on the newsletter. It’s not designed to
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get responses. It’s just designed to serve people.
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Like, here’s a thought, here’s a thing. And
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I probably got fifty, sixty responses of, and
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I printed this off and gave it to
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my whole team. And I gave this to
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my son. I mean, like, okay. Two for
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two. There’s something there.
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And our office is above a coffee shop
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here in downtown Oklahoma City. And so that
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Tuesday morning came in,
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which the copy shop put some headphones in
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and four hours later, there it was. Wow.
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And that sounds impressive. It’s not it’s, like,
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nine thousand words. It’s not like I wrote
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a forty thousand word novel. It’s nine thousand
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words. You you can read it in about
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thirty minutes.
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But, yeah, still wrote it that that day
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and published it a few months later. That’s
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beautiful. So how many total books have you
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written?
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Three.
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I just finished the fourth. I’ve got a
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new one that I’m I’m working on. But
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I wrote one. So so one of my
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first businesses I started was called Fieldhouse Media,
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and it was doing social media training for
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college athletes and coaches
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And so I wrote a book called eye
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athlete, which is really about helping coaches understand
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this generation of of student athlete.
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Don’t recommend that one. It was more of
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one is terribly, rewritten. But it was more
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of, like, to establish myself as the thought
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leader kind of in that space.
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And then I wrote a book called Leadershipinterrupted,
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which took three hundred and sixty five of
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my daily emails and just kinda put them
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in. It’s almost like leadership devotional style. It’s
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like every day is a thought for for
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leaders.
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And then keep chopping wood. And then I’ve
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got a new one that I’m working on,
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called into the storm about how to deal
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with adversity.
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Love it. Love it. So let’s talk about
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that. How do we deal with adversity? What’s,
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what’s your game plan there? Cause there’s a
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lot of it right now.
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There is. And so I think
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so here, this story, it’s not original story,
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but how I’m how I’m framing is is
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in in an original way. But I was
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at Florida State, a year and a half
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ago,
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and they were introducing the new CEO
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of of seminal boosters. So it’s like their
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fundraising arm kind of for for athletics. It’s
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its own separate organization.
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And
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Steven Ponder, the CEO, he told the story
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of of,
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when storms come over the mountains, like in
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the rocky mountains, they come from the west
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to the east. And he said, what happens
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is cows, they sense storm. They know it’s
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coming and fear sets in. They say, we
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gotta get to safety. We gotta get out
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of here. And so cows turn and run
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east, away from the storm. They wanna get
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away from it. And cows are dumb and
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slow. And so what happens is they get
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stuck in the storm. The frustration,
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the obstacles, the anxiety, the
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fear, their frustration
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until eventually the storm runs out. Right? But
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they’re just going with the storm until eventually
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it passes them because every storm runs out
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of
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And so, but by the time they the
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storm passes, they’ve lost ground. It’s like, wait
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a minute. We were already over here. Now
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we’ve run away. We’ve gotta do all this
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work just to get back to where we
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were. We thought we were getting to safety.
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We actually made things worse, and we prolonged
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our suffering, prolong the frustration,
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prolong the adversity,
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Meanwhile, Bison,
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fun fact, there are no buffalo in North
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America. So Colorado needs a new mascot.
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But bison in in Colorado and in the
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mountains, when the storm comes over, they sense
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it as well. And they say, great. Let’s
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go through it. So instead of running away
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from it, Bison go into the storm. Head
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first, step after step, they make progress.
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They still experience it because you can’t avoid
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the storm. Right? I think most most of
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the issues in life is like we keep
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trying to avoid adversity, and you can’t. It’s
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guaranteed.
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And and when when we accept that, we
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say, okay. If adversity’s gonna hit, I can’t
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choose what it is. I can’t choose, like,
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I don’t know if I’m gonna get sick.
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I don’t know if I’m gonna lose a
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loved one, but I know that adversity is
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gonna come at some point. So if I
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if I expect it, I can mentally be
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prepared for. And I can choose to do
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some hard things along the way in life
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to actually prepare me for the the the
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adversity that shows up. And so they realize,
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like, one, we can’t avoid the adversity and
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two, only way through it is through it.
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And when you just go through it, you
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still experience it. Right? There’s still frustration and
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anxiety and fear and frustration,
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but there’s less of it. Right? The cows
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have this prolonged,
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frustrating experience in adversity.
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The bison just simply get through it because
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they go into it, they get through it.
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And then on the other side of it,
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they’ve made progress. Mhmm. There’d have to be
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a lot of progress.
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Like, baby steps are still progress, but they
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they went through it. And they got better
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in the midst of it. And so that’s
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the general idea. It’s like adversity is gonna
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land on your doorstep at some point, and
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at multiple points in your life. Right? And
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and there could be there’s levels to it.
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It could be very small adversity. It could
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be a major live thing.
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The we have the choice in that moment.
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What do we do with it? We gonna
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let fear take over, run away from it,
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or we say, no. No. The only way
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through this, it’s not gonna be fun. It
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could be messy. It’s gonna be difficult. Like,
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it’s not it’s not saying there’s an easy
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path. But it’s the best path. Yeah. Yeah.
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It’s it’s to your point, I was it
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is gonna show up. Right? And I think
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so many times as we’re growing as leaders.
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We we want it just to be the
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straight line, but, obviously, success doesn’t work that
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way. Right? It’s a really squiggly market, and
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hopefully it ends up higher than where we
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started. But talk about, I I I can
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for me when I was, you know, I
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have a defining moments in my life, you
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know, like my second year as a financial
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advisor, the, you know, these different things that
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happen.
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What what moment for you was this light
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bulb moment? Maybe, like, in tough times, something
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you learned
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that, man, you’re just like, how did I
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not know that before? Any moments like that
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for you to stick out?
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Yeah. There was so year
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probably one, maybe two.
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When I was first starting Fieldhouse Media. So
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I had started another company. It failed miserably.
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It was in the health care world, which
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was my previous background.
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Like, zero dollars in a year failed like,
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so if there’s any any students listening or
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people starting business, like, the goal is to
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make more than zero dollars. Yes. You’ve got
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you’ve got bills to pay. Right? And so
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I I was at zero.
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Like, it was bad enough. Like, I had
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to sell a bicycle to pay a mortgage.
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Like, it was it was not good.
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And then I had this idea for field
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house media. And
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and I went to my wife and, like,
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you know, clearly I’m great at business.
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I think I should start another one. And
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for some reason, she was like, let’s go
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for it. And and we both felt like
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it was the right move But it was
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another year of
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no’s.
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Right? Every day was a no. Every day
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was a failure if if that’s the the
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definition of success if I’m trying to if
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if I’m trying to get a yes, I
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just got no’s.
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And it was I mean, I was depressed.
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I was anxious. I was, like, I’m not
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a huge person. Like, I was losing a
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ton of weight. I wasn’t sleeping.
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It was, like, we found out we were
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pregnant with our second son in that season.
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And my wife cried when we found out
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and not tears of joy. It was like,
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how are we gonna do this? Like,
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and but there was this we we had
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thankfully, you know, some poor mentors around us,
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a community around us, people around us,
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who believed in us, but also believed in
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what we were doing. And so, like, we
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we were having a weekly conversation with my
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wife, and I was like, hey, is this
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still the right path? Do we actually believe
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that this is the right path? Is this
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suffering worth it?
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And so we had to make a choice
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pretty much every week. Is this suffering worth
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it? And,
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what I wish I had known back in,
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and it and it certainly it it worked
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out. What I wish I had known,
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is that even in the midst of choosing
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to continue to enter into it, I wish
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I would have had a better attitude
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when I was, like, when I was actually
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in it. Because there was a lot of,
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like, we’d have the conversation, like, yeah, I
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feel like this is the right thing. Great.
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So I’d go back to work the next
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day and try to keep building. But my
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attitude the whole time was, like, this isn’t
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I was I was actually thinking this isn’t
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worth it. It’s not gonna work. I just
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I’ve I’ve come so negative,
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and so beaten down, I just didn’t I
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didn’t think it was gonna work even though
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I’ve I was trying to convince myself
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I wish I would’ve, had a better attitude,
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and I wish I would’ve,
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we had good community around us, but I
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wish I would’ve leaned more into that community.
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That’s part of the the new books, like,
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the power of your herd. Like, the people
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around you dictate your future.
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And I had the people around me,
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in my future, worked out okay, probably accidentally,
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which is just not how you want it
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to work out.
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It could have been better faster if I
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had actually leaned into the power of the
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people around me, because they were they wanted
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to pour in. They wanted to do whatever.
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And I was prideful in the midst of
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it saying, you know, I can I can
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do this on my own? And I and
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I didn’t because you never do it alone,
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but I wish I’d I wish I understood
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the power of the herd earlier on. Yep.
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It is so powerful, so powerful. And so
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thinking about that, I
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I read this quote recently that really hit
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me, and it was it said, you know,
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make decisions based on your knowledge,
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not on your emotion.
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Right? Yep. So it’s easy to say I
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wanna go to the gym and base it
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on knowledge, but there’s days you don’t wanna
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do it. Right? So what have you found
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yourself Gilliland, you know, these other leaders and
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these coaches and athletic directors and all the
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people you’re around,
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what do you find
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is is that thing, right, that gets them
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going to the, quote, unquote, gym, what it
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may be. What is that thing that helps
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them base their decision on knowledge?
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Yeah. I think for me,
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it’s honoring your commitments.
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Meaning if I committed to doing it yesterday,
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it doesn’t matter how I feel today.
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So I I’ve lately, I’ve been phrasing it
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kind of that way. It’s like, I wanna
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honor yesterday’s commit not today’s feelings.
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Because I it’s your point. I’m not gonna
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feel like it all the time, and nobody
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does. And I and I think that’s the
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biggest thing is is when I when I
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talk to young people today, whether that’s college
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students or or young professionals,
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a lot of it is how they feel.
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I’m like Yep. I’m not trying to be
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dismissive, but I just don’t really care. How
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you feel like we all have days. We
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don’t feel like it. This is part of
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life doesn’t mean you have a bad boss,
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doesn’t mean you have a bad team, doesn’t
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mean you’re in the wrong job. It just
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means that life is hard some days, and
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we don’t always feel like it. And and
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who you actually are, is determined by how
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you show up when you don’t feel like
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it. Because if if we all just showed
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up when we when we felt like it,
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we would make zero progress.
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Right. And but if I can, you know,
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I’ve I’ve been really consistent, and I’m not
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a disciplined person,
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but I’ve trained myself to be disciplined. Right?
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It’s not a personality trait. It’s it’s a
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Gilliland
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so I’ve I found that when I when
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I
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live my live my commitments,
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the the more I choose it the easier
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it gets.
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Meaning,
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so I’ve I’ve worked out,
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every day now for over three hundred and
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sixty five days.
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And and I just do it at my
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house. Like Yep. I’m I’m big on eliminating
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as many barriers as possible. It’s like, man,
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I don’t wanna wake up and get on
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gym clothes and drive to the gym and
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deal that and drive home. Okay. Can you
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do something in your house?
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You know, what can you do it? Like,
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go start simple, then you can then you
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can add to it if you want to.
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Yeah. But early on, it was not fun
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always. I didn’t always look forward to it.
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Some days, I wake up, and I’m sore
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from the previous day. Or I’ve traveled or
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there’s all sorts of excuses I can make.
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Well, I’ll just take the day off. And
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rest is great. Like, it’s okay to take
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days off.
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But
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I just had to say no. No. I
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yesterday, I said I was gonna do it
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today. So I’m gonna I’m gonna honor that
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commitment. And the more I choose it, the
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less I have to choose it. Right? The
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more I choose it, the more it starts
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to become automatic. And so now I don’t
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wake up and negotiate with myself. It’s like,
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alright. And I walk walk to the room
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where I get my workin’ in. It’s like,
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it’s just just what I do. And so
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I think
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for leaders, it’s it’s one, it’s choosing to
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live your commitments.
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But two, also having a reason for why
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you’re doing it. Like, I’m not I’m not
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working out to be a body builder.
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To climb mount everest, to run a like,
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I’m working out to be healthy as a
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leader, as an entrepreneur,
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as a dad, as a husband, Like, there’s
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a there’s a why that makes me want
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to get up every morning and do those
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things. And I don’t always remember that why.
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And and somebody said, and I do the
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same thing. And faith is a big deal
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for me. Youversion is an app that I
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use.
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I’ve been in it every day
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for one thousand three hundred and seventy four
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straight days. And so we’d like to start
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just going through the motions some days. Yep.
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Just a Bible app.
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Oh, yeah. Yeah. And they’ve got these little,
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you know, short short devotionals.
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But people are like, why don’t you just
00:25:51.000 –> 00:25:53.000
go through the motions some days? Yep. But
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I’d rather go through the motions the on
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doing the right things than do nothing. You
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know? So I’m okay with just going through
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the motions someday. That that’s okay.
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But I’ve just found the more
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I think the two things I’ll I’ll try
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to create is confidence and momentum.
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Meaning, if I do it today,
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that fear is gonna kick in tomorrow. You
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can’t do this today. You can’t work out
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today. You’re tired. You travel me. No. No.
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I did it yesterday. I actually know that
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I can do it. I have proof that
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I can do it. I have confidence because
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I did it yesterday. Which allows me to
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do it today. Once you get to stack
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two or three, four, five days in a
00:26:23.000 –> 00:26:25.000
row, I know you have confidence. Now you
00:26:25.000 –> 00:26:27.000
also have momentum. And those things can carry
00:26:27.000 –> 00:26:29.000
you through to some powerful places. Yep. So
00:26:29.000 –> 00:26:31.000
what kind of exercises are you doing these
00:26:31.000 –> 00:26:32.000
days?
00:26:32.000 –> 00:26:33.000
So I’ve shifted.
00:26:34.000 –> 00:26:36.000
So for most of the last year, it
00:26:36.000 –> 00:26:38.000
was some variation. Like, I’d just get up
00:26:38.000 –> 00:26:39.000
and I would do, like,
00:26:40.000 –> 00:26:42.000
push ups. I’d do curls. I’d do some
00:26:42.000 –> 00:26:45.000
tricep stuff. I’d do some some, crunches, some
00:26:45.000 –> 00:26:47.000
ab work. Just very basic.
00:26:47.000 –> 00:26:50.000
The last fifty days I think I’m actually
00:26:50.000 –> 00:26:52.000
fifty days in. Let me check my phone
00:26:52.000 –> 00:26:53.000
to make sure this I’m not lying to
00:26:53.000 –> 00:26:55.000
you. But I I
00:26:55.000 –> 00:26:57.000
signed up for an app called,
00:26:58.000 –> 00:26:59.000
ladder.
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Fifty
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one days. Sorry. Fifty fifty one days.
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And
00:27:06.000 –> 00:27:08.000
so you go in, and I I wanna
00:27:08.000 –> 00:27:10.000
say it’s twenty, maybe thirty bucks a month.
00:27:10.000 –> 00:27:11.000
I hate going to the gym. Like, I
00:27:11.000 –> 00:27:13.000
love working out. I hate going to the
00:27:13.000 –> 00:27:16.000
gym. It’s just not alright. I hate the
00:27:16.000 –> 00:27:17.000
process. I actually like being at the gym,
00:27:17.000 –> 00:27:19.000
but the whole process of it is just
00:27:19.000 –> 00:27:19.000
not convenient.
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For for my life. And so ladder, you
00:27:23.000 –> 00:27:24.000
go in and you say, what kind of
00:27:24.000 –> 00:27:26.000
workouts do you like to do, or what
00:27:26.000 –> 00:27:27.000
type of equipment do you like to use
00:27:28.000 –> 00:27:29.000
Where do you like to work out? How
00:27:29.000 –> 00:27:31.000
long do you like to work out? What
00:27:31.000 –> 00:27:31.000
are your goals?
00:27:32.000 –> 00:27:34.000
And it assigns you a coach or it’s
00:27:34.000 –> 00:27:36.000
a here here’s two or three coaches who
00:27:36.000 –> 00:27:37.000
could who could work for you. And you
00:27:37.000 –> 00:27:39.000
look at their program and you sign up
00:27:39.000 –> 00:27:41.000
and they drop in every Sunday night, they
00:27:41.000 –> 00:27:43.000
drop in seven workouts. So a workout for
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every day of the week. So I am
00:27:45.000 –> 00:27:47.000
really big right now on kettlebells.
00:27:48.000 –> 00:27:50.000
And so forty five usually it’s about forty
00:27:50.000 –> 00:27:52.000
to forty five minutes, each morning.
00:27:52.000 –> 00:27:54.000
And I just go in and they’ve got
00:27:54.000 –> 00:27:55.000
the plan right there. Like, I don’t have
00:27:55.000 –> 00:27:57.000
to leave my house. I’ve I bought, you
00:27:57.000 –> 00:27:58.000
know, have her mini kettle bells.
00:27:59.000 –> 00:28:00.000
My wife’s, like, we we got more. I’m
00:28:00.000 –> 00:28:02.000
like, sorry. I got stronger. I have to
00:28:02.000 –> 00:28:03.000
I have to get some more. How can
00:28:03.000 –> 00:28:04.000
I keep upgrading?
00:28:05.000 –> 00:28:07.000
It’s like, I have, like, every few weeks,
00:28:07.000 –> 00:28:09.000
like, a that another cap? Yeah. It is.
00:28:09.000 –> 00:28:10.000
It is.
00:28:10.000 –> 00:28:12.000
But it’s but I love it. It’s, like,
00:28:12.000 –> 00:28:12.000
it’s really challenging.
00:28:13.000 –> 00:28:14.000
It’s
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notice a difference in my energy and confidence.
00:28:18.000 –> 00:28:20.000
So I I love it. It’s a it’s
00:28:20.000 –> 00:28:22.000
a essentially a coaching platform that keeps you
00:28:22.000 –> 00:28:24.000
again, and I love tracking things.
00:28:24.000 –> 00:28:26.000
I’ve learned that keeps me accountable. So there’s
00:28:26.000 –> 00:28:28.000
a tracker, like, your workouts and all this
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stuff.
00:28:29.000 –> 00:28:31.000
But it’s great. Just that and I can
00:28:31.000 –> 00:28:33.000
do I can add a speaking engagement in
00:28:33.000 –> 00:28:34.000
Dallas a few weeks I load it up,
00:28:34.000 –> 00:28:36.000
and it’s three hour drive. So I just
00:28:36.000 –> 00:28:38.000
drove, took a kettlebell with me in the
00:28:38.000 –> 00:28:39.000
hotel room. You know, I can I can
00:28:39.000 –> 00:28:41.000
do it? And so that’s why I like
00:28:41.000 –> 00:28:43.000
to create systems and things that I can
00:28:43.000 –> 00:28:45.000
do at home or on the road. Yep.
00:28:45.000 –> 00:28:47.000
Love it. Yeah. It’s it’s nice to have
00:28:47.000 –> 00:28:49.000
the apps, and it because for me, I
00:28:49.000 –> 00:28:50.000
don’t know what to do when I get
00:28:50.000 –> 00:28:51.000
into the gym. You know, it’s like, okay.
00:28:51.000 –> 00:28:53.000
Let’s work on this thing. I’m like, well,
00:28:53.000 –> 00:28:55.000
I don’t know what all that actually does.
00:28:55.000 –> 00:28:57.000
So firm myself than just not doing it.
00:28:57.000 –> 00:28:59.000
But so I used the Peloton app, and
00:28:59.000 –> 00:29:01.000
then they’re, you know, rower and tread and
00:29:01.000 –> 00:29:03.000
all that stuff, the bike. And then, and
00:29:03.000 –> 00:29:05.000
then an app called Better Me I just
00:29:05.000 –> 00:29:07.000
found. It’s, same kind of thing. They ask
00:29:07.000 –> 00:29:08.000
you a lot of goals. I’ve seen that.
00:29:08.000 –> 00:29:10.000
Yeah. Yeah. It was one of those that
00:29:10.000 –> 00:29:12.000
shows up on my Instagram feed nonstop, and
00:29:12.000 –> 00:29:14.000
they don’t finally, I’ll tap out and buy
00:29:14.000 –> 00:29:15.000
it for That’s right. That’s right. Yeah. It
00:29:15.000 –> 00:29:17.000
was a hundred dollars. That’s exactly a letter.
00:29:17.000 –> 00:29:19.000
I said no. And the next thing you
00:29:19.000 –> 00:29:20.000
know, then like fifty dollars. And then it
00:29:20.000 –> 00:29:23.000
was twelve dollars for, you know, twelve weeks
00:29:23.000 –> 00:29:25.000
or whatever. I’m like, alright, whatever. Just a
00:29:25.000 –> 00:29:26.000
buy for twelve bucks just to not see
00:29:26.000 –> 00:29:29.000
the damn feature. One. Yeah. That’s right. Exactly
00:29:29.000 –> 00:29:30.000
right. That was exactly the same thing with
00:29:30.000 –> 00:29:32.000
ladder. Like, fine. Yeah.
00:29:32.000 –> 00:29:34.000
I’ll I’ll give in. I did that with
00:29:34.000 –> 00:29:35.000
ladder. I did it with athletic greens. It’s
00:29:35.000 –> 00:29:38.000
like trying to be healthier wasting food stuff
00:29:38.000 –> 00:29:38.000
and,
00:29:39.000 –> 00:29:40.000
with the diet part as well. And it’s
00:29:40.000 –> 00:29:42.000
just, yeah, I’m social media man. Get this
00:29:42.000 –> 00:29:43.000
every time.
00:29:43.000 –> 00:29:45.000
Well, athletic greens is showing up all the
00:29:45.000 –> 00:29:46.000
time too. Do you like it?
00:29:47.000 –> 00:29:49.000
So here’s my take on athletic greens.
00:29:50.000 –> 00:29:51.000
One, it’s good.
00:29:52.000 –> 00:29:54.000
I will just say, for the sake of
00:29:54.000 –> 00:29:56.000
people listening, it just destroyed my stomach
00:29:56.000 –> 00:29:58.000
Okay. I mean, like, I felt like I
00:29:58.000 –> 00:30:00.000
was under threat all the all day every
00:30:00.000 –> 00:30:02.000
day that anything could go wrong at at
00:30:02.000 –> 00:30:03.000
any given point. Yeah.
00:30:04.000 –> 00:30:06.000
And which part that’s of it, like, it’s
00:30:06.000 –> 00:30:07.000
a part of it as a probiotic. And
00:30:07.000 –> 00:30:09.000
so it’s it’s messing with you a little
00:30:09.000 –> 00:30:09.000
bit.
00:30:10.000 –> 00:30:13.000
I went to the head nutritionist at o
00:30:13.000 –> 00:30:15.000
u. Said, hey, I’m taking this. Do you
00:30:15.000 –> 00:30:17.000
is is it good? Do you recommend anything
00:30:17.000 –> 00:30:17.000
else?
00:30:18.000 –> 00:30:20.000
She directed me to something called Heart Greens
00:30:20.000 –> 00:30:22.000
by a company called Human, h u m
00:30:22.000 –> 00:30:23.000
a n n.
00:30:24.000 –> 00:30:26.000
And it’s, like, a third of the price
00:30:26.000 –> 00:30:28.000
about that at greens. Yeah. And it’s great.
00:30:28.000 –> 00:30:29.000
And I’ve had had no issues.
00:30:30.000 –> 00:30:32.000
Yeah, heart greens by human.
00:30:32.000 –> 00:30:34.000
Okay. I’ll write that one down. I gotta
00:30:34.000 –> 00:30:36.000
punch that. Yeah. I do green juice from
00:30:36.000 –> 00:30:38.000
our local grocery store every day. So we’ll
00:30:38.000 –> 00:30:40.000
get the kale and parsley and all that
00:30:40.000 –> 00:30:41.000
stuff. So it’s good for you.
00:30:42.000 –> 00:30:43.000
Yeah. So how do you stay a student
00:30:43.000 –> 00:30:45.000
of the game? And, obviously, you know, people
00:30:45.000 –> 00:30:46.000
are coming to you for advice. So you
00:30:46.000 –> 00:30:48.000
gotta keep learning and keep training and keep
00:30:48.000 –> 00:30:50.000
your mind So how do you personally stay
00:30:50.000 –> 00:30:52.000
a student in the game?
00:30:53.000 –> 00:30:54.000
Try to read and observe as much as
00:30:54.000 –> 00:30:57.000
possible. Like, I’m I’ve had to train myself
00:30:57.000 –> 00:30:59.000
because I used to wonder probably 10:15 years
00:30:59.000 –> 00:31:01.000
ago, and I’d follow other speakers
00:31:01.000 –> 00:31:04.000
or experts or authorities on whatever topic. Like,
00:31:04.000 –> 00:31:05.000
where did they come up with these stories?
00:31:05.000 –> 00:31:07.000
Like, what in the and I just realized
00:31:07.000 –> 00:31:09.000
they’re just paying attention to life. They just
00:31:09.000 –> 00:31:11.000
choose to be observant about whether it’s their
00:31:11.000 –> 00:31:14.000
kid’s basketball game or a road trip,
00:31:14.000 –> 00:31:16.000
or something with their friends or at the
00:31:16.000 –> 00:31:19.000
grocery store. They’re observing human behavior.
00:31:20.000 –> 00:31:21.000
And so I’ve it’s it it was a
00:31:21.000 –> 00:31:23.000
a challenge to me because my my mind
00:31:23.000 –> 00:31:25.000
is usually always in the clouds. Like, it’s
00:31:25.000 –> 00:31:27.000
it’s I’m always thinking of different things, and
00:31:27.000 –> 00:31:29.000
I’m not I’m usually I struggle to be
00:31:29.000 –> 00:31:30.000
wherever I am, right, to be present.
00:31:31.000 –> 00:31:33.000
And so I’ve tried to train myself to
00:31:33.000 –> 00:31:33.000
just be aware
00:31:34.000 –> 00:31:36.000
of what’s happening in the day to day
00:31:36.000 –> 00:31:38.000
moments, which is doing that daily newsletter has
00:31:38.000 –> 00:31:39.000
been a really good.
00:31:40.000 –> 00:31:42.000
It’s forced me to be aware because I’ve
00:31:42.000 –> 00:31:44.000
gotta have a story every day from from
00:31:44.000 –> 00:31:46.000
somewhere, you know. Yep. So I think just
00:31:46.000 –> 00:31:48.000
observing people, trying to be present,
00:31:48.000 –> 00:31:50.000
trying to ask a lot of questions of
00:31:50.000 –> 00:31:52.000
people. And I think I try to follow,
00:31:53.000 –> 00:31:55.000
say the right people, but interesting people on
00:31:55.000 –> 00:31:57.000
social media. So, yeah, I’ve got my sports
00:31:57.000 –> 00:31:59.000
feed, but I also wanna follow leaders from
00:31:59.000 –> 00:32:01.000
a variety of areas
00:32:02.000 –> 00:32:03.000
because that that’s the beauty of me for
00:32:03.000 –> 00:32:04.000
social media. It’s like, I can learn from
00:32:04.000 –> 00:32:06.000
some of the best leaders on the planet
00:32:06.000 –> 00:32:08.000
because they’re sharing their stories, their wisdom for
00:32:08.000 –> 00:32:10.000
free. You know, you’re getting a master class
00:32:10.000 –> 00:32:12.000
from these people. I think trying to trying
00:32:12.000 –> 00:32:13.000
to follow business leaders,
00:32:14.000 –> 00:32:16.000
certain industry leaders on social media, not honestly,
00:32:16.000 –> 00:32:18.000
read the right books, but but read books
00:32:18.000 –> 00:32:19.000
that are,
00:32:20.000 –> 00:32:22.000
that that provide unique perspective.
00:32:22.000 –> 00:32:25.000
Yeah. Who any go to leaders you’d recommend
00:32:25.000 –> 00:32:27.000
following and put out some good content?
00:32:27.000 –> 00:32:29.000
Oh gosh. I knew you were gonna ask
00:32:29.000 –> 00:32:29.000
that.
00:32:30.000 –> 00:32:33.000
I think besides you, of course. Yeah.
00:32:33.000 –> 00:32:36.000
I think Mark Cuban is a fascinating follow.
00:32:37.000 –> 00:32:38.000
On We think we think his deal. What’s
00:32:38.000 –> 00:32:40.000
his next play? So if I’m I’m getting
00:32:40.000 –> 00:32:42.000
off Shark Tank. I’m selling part of the
00:32:42.000 –> 00:32:44.000
was it fifty seven percent of the Mavericks.
00:32:45.000 –> 00:32:47.000
What’s the next play?
00:32:47.000 –> 00:32:49.000
And I I saw where he told someone
00:32:49.000 –> 00:32:52.000
he’s not gonna run for political office,
00:32:52.000 –> 00:32:54.000
but I bet he runs for political office.
00:32:54.000 –> 00:32:56.000
Yeah. That’s I’ve said that too. Or or
00:32:56.000 –> 00:32:59.000
something something in that realm because it just
00:32:59.000 –> 00:33:00.000
doesn’t make sense. I mean,
00:33:01.000 –> 00:33:03.000
you know, guys like that could always start
00:33:03.000 –> 00:33:05.000
any kind of, you know, they could start
00:33:05.000 –> 00:33:06.000
a business tomorrow, do whatever they want. But
00:33:06.000 –> 00:33:08.000
he’s because he’s got that,
00:33:08.000 –> 00:33:10.000
some kind of health care prescription thing that
00:33:10.000 –> 00:33:12.000
he’s doing as well, trying to create low
00:33:12.000 –> 00:33:14.000
cost prescriptions for people.
00:33:15.000 –> 00:33:16.000
But I would I would guess that that
00:33:16.000 –> 00:33:19.000
he’s he’s gonna run for something or get
00:33:19.000 –> 00:33:22.000
involved and in politics in in some way,
00:33:22.000 –> 00:33:23.000
shape, or form. Yeah.
00:33:24.000 –> 00:33:27.000
Yeah. He’s always an interesting one. I love
00:33:27.000 –> 00:33:28.000
following tech entrepreneurs.
00:33:30.000 –> 00:33:31.000
Like, I named David Sachs that I that
00:33:31.000 –> 00:33:32.000
I enjoy following.
00:33:35.000 –> 00:33:37.000
I love I love following journalists. Like, the
00:33:37.000 –> 00:33:40.000
media is just a fascinating industry. For me.
00:33:41.000 –> 00:33:43.000
I shouldn’t say journalists. I should say media
00:33:43.000 –> 00:33:45.000
personalities, like people who comment on the media.
00:33:46.000 –> 00:33:47.000
Maybe they’re a part of it, but they’re
00:33:47.000 –> 00:33:49.000
not just writing journalism pieces, but they like
00:33:49.000 –> 00:33:50.000
to comment on the state of of the
00:33:50.000 –> 00:33:51.000
media.
00:33:51.000 –> 00:33:53.000
I think the world’s just it’s an interesting
00:33:53.000 –> 00:33:54.000
place, you know.
00:33:55.000 –> 00:33:57.000
There’s there’s a lot. And I and I
00:33:57.000 –> 00:33:59.000
try to follow people I don’t agree with.
00:34:00.000 –> 00:34:02.000
And just to get to always have a
00:34:02.000 –> 00:34:04.000
different perspective. I think part of social media
00:34:04.000 –> 00:34:04.000
is they can easily be an echo chamber
00:34:04.000 –> 00:34:04.000
of, people reinforcing what you already
00:34:07.000 –> 00:34:09.000
think. As long as people are respectful,
00:34:10.000 –> 00:34:12.000
I always wanna follow-up with people who have
00:34:12.000 –> 00:34:14.000
a different opinion, different perspective, come at it
00:34:14.000 –> 00:34:15.000
from a different side.
00:34:16.000 –> 00:34:17.000
Now if they’re gonna, you know, scream and
00:34:17.000 –> 00:34:18.000
yell call people names, like, well, that’s not
00:34:18.000 –> 00:34:20.000
necessary. But I like to I like to
00:34:20.000 –> 00:34:22.000
follow people that I don’t necessarily agree with
00:34:22.000 –> 00:34:24.000
as well. You know, get a little get
00:34:24.000 –> 00:34:25.000
a counter intuitive,
00:34:26.000 –> 00:34:27.000
stuff here that we’re we’re one of the
00:34:27.000 –> 00:34:29.000
questions I was gonna ask you is what
00:34:29.000 –> 00:34:32.000
is something that’s counter intuitive to anybody else
00:34:32.000 –> 00:34:34.000
would believe, but you know that it works,
00:34:34.000 –> 00:34:36.000
and you and you believe it to your
00:34:36.000 –> 00:34:37.000
core. Is there anything that comes to mind
00:34:37.000 –> 00:34:38.000
for you?
00:34:41.000 –> 00:34:43.000
That was a great question. How do I
00:34:43.000 –> 00:34:45.000
actually wanna answer that?
00:34:49.000 –> 00:34:51.000
This shouldn’t be an answer to that question,
00:34:51.000 –> 00:34:53.000
but I think in twenty twenty three, twenty
00:34:53.000 –> 00:34:54.000
twenty four, it is, is
00:34:55.000 –> 00:34:56.000
that
00:34:57.000 –> 00:34:58.000
hard work will get you most of what
00:34:58.000 –> 00:34:59.000
you want.
00:34:59.000 –> 00:35:00.000
I’ve
00:35:00.000 –> 00:35:02.000
I think in today’s world, we just think
00:35:02.000 –> 00:35:03.000
things are gonna be handed to us and
00:35:03.000 –> 00:35:05.000
that we can do average work.
00:35:05.000 –> 00:35:08.000
And I give average effort and expect great
00:35:08.000 –> 00:35:11.000
things. And I think if if you want
00:35:11.000 –> 00:35:13.000
more, you actually have to do more. And
00:35:13.000 –> 00:35:13.000
that’s not
00:35:14.000 –> 00:35:16.000
you know, I’m not saying to buy into
00:35:16.000 –> 00:35:17.000
the hustle culture. I’m not saying you gotta
00:35:17.000 –> 00:35:19.000
do seventy, eighty hours a week. That’s, you
00:35:19.000 –> 00:35:21.000
know, that’s a great great way to to
00:35:21.000 –> 00:35:23.000
live a life of burnout. But, you know,
00:35:23.000 –> 00:35:24.000
if you if you think of, you know,
00:35:24.000 –> 00:35:26.000
my fourteen year old
00:35:26.000 –> 00:35:27.000
freshman basketball team,
00:35:28.000 –> 00:35:30.000
like, hey, if if you wanna get better,
00:35:30.000 –> 00:35:32.000
you have to practice when other people don’t.
00:35:33.000 –> 00:35:35.000
You practice every day when the team practices.
00:35:35.000 –> 00:35:37.000
That means you’re getting better at the same
00:35:37.000 –> 00:35:39.000
rate, generally speaking, the same rate of improvement
00:35:39.000 –> 00:35:41.000
as everybody else on the team. Well, if
00:35:41.000 –> 00:35:43.000
this guy is better than you and you’re
00:35:43.000 –> 00:35:45.000
practicing the same amount, he’s always gonna be
00:35:45.000 –> 00:35:46.000
better than you. But what if you came
00:35:46.000 –> 00:35:49.000
home and got in fifteen minutes? Fifteen minutes
00:35:49.000 –> 00:35:49.000
a day.
00:35:50.000 –> 00:35:52.000
Yep. That’s ninety one hours a year. How
00:35:53.000 –> 00:35:54.000
what what kind of difference would that make
00:35:54.000 –> 00:35:56.000
in your skill set? And so the same
00:35:56.000 –> 00:35:57.000
thing for a leader, same thing for an
00:35:57.000 –> 00:35:59.000
entrepreneur, same thing for whatever it may be,
00:35:59.000 –> 00:36:01.000
like, you actually have to do more. I
00:36:01.000 –> 00:36:01.000
think we’ve
00:36:02.000 –> 00:36:05.000
be because that kind of mindset was abused
00:36:05.000 –> 00:36:07.000
for for most of time, like, to to
00:36:07.000 –> 00:36:08.000
to burn people out and force people to
00:36:08.000 –> 00:36:10.000
work forty, fifty, sixty, eighty hour weeks, whatever.
00:36:11.000 –> 00:36:13.000
People push back the pendulum went all the
00:36:13.000 –> 00:36:15.000
way over here. They’re like, no. No. You
00:36:15.000 –> 00:36:16.000
just work thirty hours a week. It’ll be
00:36:16.000 –> 00:36:18.000
okay. Just hope for Like, no, I hope
00:36:18.000 –> 00:36:19.000
it’s a it’s a great fuel, but a
00:36:19.000 –> 00:36:21.000
terrible strategy. You actually have to work your
00:36:21.000 –> 00:36:23.000
tail off. If you if you wanna get
00:36:23.000 –> 00:36:25.000
things, you’ve gotta be willing to sacrifice
00:36:26.000 –> 00:36:28.000
And I think at some times, some seasons,
00:36:28.000 –> 00:36:30.000
that means you’re actually out of balance.
00:36:31.000 –> 00:36:33.000
You don’t want a life that’s out So
00:36:33.000 –> 00:36:34.000
I think for a season, if you wanna
00:36:34.000 –> 00:36:36.000
get to certain areas, you’ve gotta say, you’ve
00:36:36.000 –> 00:36:38.000
gotta shut out not everything, but almost everything,
00:36:38.000 –> 00:36:40.000
say, I’m going all in after this thing.
00:36:40.000 –> 00:36:41.000
And people are gonna say, you’re crazy. And
00:36:41.000 –> 00:36:43.000
then a year later, say, well, Maybe I
00:36:43.000 –> 00:36:45.000
was, but look what I accomplished because of
00:36:45.000 –> 00:36:45.000
that.
00:36:46.000 –> 00:36:47.000
Yeah. I agree, man. It does it goes
00:36:47.000 –> 00:36:49.000
in waves, doesn’t it? It just it’s sometimes
00:36:49.000 –> 00:36:51.000
you’re gonna be working family life more, sometimes
00:36:51.000 –> 00:36:54.000
you’re working at working. So but it’s gotta
00:36:54.000 –> 00:36:56.000
be somewhat balanced if if there is such
00:36:56.000 –> 00:36:56.000
a thing.
00:36:57.000 –> 00:36:59.000
If if I were to ask your team
00:36:59.000 –> 00:36:59.000
right now,
00:37:00.000 –> 00:37:02.000
you know, people that work for you. What
00:37:02.000 –> 00:37:03.000
what would they say
00:37:04.000 –> 00:37:06.000
you do well that helps build culture for
00:37:06.000 –> 00:37:07.000
your company?
00:37:08.000 –> 00:37:09.000
I think energy.
00:37:10.000 –> 00:37:13.000
I I think by nature, I’ve just always
00:37:13.000 –> 00:37:13.000
been,
00:37:15.000 –> 00:37:16.000
I don’t know, but by nature. Like, I’ve
00:37:16.000 –> 00:37:18.000
just always been a positive energy person. I’m
00:37:18.000 –> 00:37:20.000
an optimist. I tend to believe things are
00:37:20.000 –> 00:37:21.000
gonna work out.
00:37:22.000 –> 00:37:23.000
I’m not super serious.
00:37:24.000 –> 00:37:25.000
It’s interesting because I’ve I’ve
00:37:26.000 –> 00:37:28.000
just kinda go a different direction. But,
00:37:28.000 –> 00:37:29.000
you know, when I when I was in
00:37:29.000 –> 00:37:31.000
the corporate world, I was a goofy guy.
00:37:31.000 –> 00:37:33.000
We’d close a deal, and I’d run-in, like,
00:37:33.000 –> 00:37:35.000
fist pumping and yelling and just being goofy.
00:37:35.000 –> 00:37:37.000
Like, I just never took things super super
00:37:37.000 –> 00:37:38.000
serious,
00:37:38.000 –> 00:37:40.000
and we were unbelievably successful. Like, I was
00:37:40.000 –> 00:37:42.000
number two in the company in sales, like,
00:37:42.000 –> 00:37:44.000
and I wasn’t your typical,
00:37:44.000 –> 00:37:47.000
you know, buttoned up, super serious business minded
00:37:47.000 –> 00:37:49.000
salesperson. I just had fun and loved people.
00:37:50.000 –> 00:37:52.000
When I started in business, I don’t know
00:37:52.000 –> 00:37:54.000
if anybody said it to me or if
00:37:54.000 –> 00:37:56.000
I assumed they said it to me or
00:37:56.000 –> 00:37:57.000
if I just took on this belief,
00:37:58.000 –> 00:38:00.000
because people always say, man, you know, Kevin,
00:38:00.000 –> 00:38:02.000
he’s just not super serious, and he’s not
00:38:02.000 –> 00:38:03.000
that organized, and he’s not that into the
00:38:03.000 –> 00:38:04.000
details.
00:38:04.000 –> 00:38:07.000
And I I wore that as people don’t
00:38:07.000 –> 00:38:08.000
think I can be successful. Don’t think I
00:38:08.000 –> 00:38:09.000
can do this on my own. They don’t
00:38:09.000 –> 00:38:11.000
think I can build a business. And so
00:38:11.000 –> 00:38:14.000
I shut down kind of the goofy part
00:38:14.000 –> 00:38:15.000
of me for a long time.
00:38:16.000 –> 00:38:18.000
And that it’s called the quote unquote, unserious
00:38:18.000 –> 00:38:19.000
part of me to the point that people
00:38:20.000 –> 00:38:21.000
we do a lot with personality in our
00:38:21.000 –> 00:38:23.000
businesses. People are like, oh, I don’t actually
00:38:23.000 –> 00:38:24.000
think you are this personality. I’m like, no.
00:38:24.000 –> 00:38:25.000
No. No. I just want. I’ve been under
00:38:25.000 –> 00:38:27.000
stress for a decade trying to build. And
00:38:27.000 –> 00:38:30.000
then, two, I’ve just recently realized I believed
00:38:30.000 –> 00:38:31.000
to lie or whatever,
00:38:31.000 –> 00:38:33.000
a limiting belief that I had to be
00:38:33.000 –> 00:38:35.000
this way to be successful.
00:38:35.000 –> 00:38:36.000
And so I’ve just kinda been coming out
00:38:36.000 –> 00:38:39.000
of that shell again the last year or
00:38:39.000 –> 00:38:39.000
two.
00:38:40.000 –> 00:38:41.000
I’m like, no. No. No. Like, I love
00:38:41.000 –> 00:38:43.000
to have fun. Like, you can have fun.
00:38:43.000 –> 00:38:44.000
You don’t have to be
00:38:45.000 –> 00:38:47.000
serious and and all these things to be
00:38:47.000 –> 00:38:49.000
successful. Like, you can you can have big
00:38:49.000 –> 00:38:51.000
dreams, and you can be goofy, and you
00:38:51.000 –> 00:38:52.000
can make people laugh, and
00:38:53.000 –> 00:38:55.000
You can inject comedy in certain situations, and
00:38:55.000 –> 00:38:56.000
maybe it’s not you don’t always need to
00:38:56.000 –> 00:38:58.000
inject. Like, there’s a time to be serious,
00:38:58.000 –> 00:38:58.000
but,
00:38:59.000 –> 00:39:01.000
I think people just say, like, generally, I
00:39:01.000 –> 00:39:02.000
bring I bring fun.
00:39:02.000 –> 00:39:04.000
Yeah. So that was one of my biggest
00:39:04.000 –> 00:39:06.000
learnings when I looked back at my career,
00:39:06.000 –> 00:39:08.000
you know, twenty two years in the wealth
00:39:08.000 –> 00:39:10.000
management space. And so
00:39:11.000 –> 00:39:13.000
when I was this young the young Brett
00:39:13.000 –> 00:39:14.000
would go take some of the older guys
00:39:14.000 –> 00:39:16.000
with him to meetings to try to learn.
00:39:16.000 –> 00:39:17.000
Right? And then I would just I thought
00:39:17.000 –> 00:39:19.000
I had to live in this just like
00:39:19.000 –> 00:39:21.000
what you were just saying. And and as
00:39:21.000 –> 00:39:23.000
soon as I found out or I guess
00:39:23.000 –> 00:39:24.000
I shouldn’t say found out. As soon as
00:39:24.000 –> 00:39:26.000
I believed that I could be Brett and
00:39:26.000 –> 00:39:28.000
to your point, have fun and and laugh
00:39:28.000 –> 00:39:29.000
a lot at work. It hadn’t been that’d
00:39:29.000 –> 00:39:30.000
be so damn serious.
00:39:31.000 –> 00:39:32.000
It’s an amazing. That’s when I started to
00:39:32.000 –> 00:39:34.000
find myself becoming more and more successful.
00:39:35.000 –> 00:39:37.000
Yeah. You well, you you find yourself being
00:39:37.000 –> 00:39:39.000
more successful Gilliland then you actually have fun
00:39:39.000 –> 00:39:41.000
being successful. Right?
00:39:41.000 –> 00:39:42.000
Wait a hell of a lot more. Like,
00:39:42.000 –> 00:39:43.000
because you can have six you can have
00:39:43.000 –> 00:39:45.000
success the other way or or a limited
00:39:45.000 –> 00:39:47.000
version of success, but you’re miserable all the
00:39:47.000 –> 00:39:48.000
time because you’re always feel like you’re trying
00:39:48.000 –> 00:39:49.000
to be someone you’re not. I was like,
00:39:49.000 –> 00:39:50.000
wait a minute. No. I can be me.
00:39:50.000 –> 00:39:52.000
And succeed. I don’t need to beat the
00:39:52.000 –> 00:39:53.000
and I, you know, again, we talk a
00:39:53.000 –> 00:39:55.000
lot about personality. Like, we’ve got kind of
00:39:55.000 –> 00:39:57.000
a right hand and left hand. I’m typically
00:39:57.000 –> 00:39:59.000
this part, you know, goofy, loud, fun, whatever.
00:40:00.000 –> 00:40:01.000
But there’s a part of me that can
00:40:01.000 –> 00:40:03.000
be serious that can be locked in that
00:40:03.000 –> 00:40:05.000
can be quote unquote professional, whatever that means.
00:40:05.000 –> 00:40:07.000
But for me to live there means I
00:40:07.000 –> 00:40:10.000
lose who I act actually am. And so
00:40:10.000 –> 00:40:12.000
trying to find that balance of, like, okay.
00:40:12.000 –> 00:40:13.000
When can I be me and when do
00:40:13.000 –> 00:40:15.000
I not need to be me? And how
00:40:15.000 –> 00:40:16.000
do I make that operate so that that
00:40:16.000 –> 00:40:20.000
everyone around me actually wins. Yep. Yep. So
00:40:20.000 –> 00:40:21.000
you can see this sticker right here, this
00:40:21.000 –> 00:40:23.000
f greater than p. I do. Yeah. Yeah.
00:40:24.000 –> 00:40:26.000
Our our mission is helping people achieve a
00:40:26.000 –> 00:40:28.000
future great in your past. And so it
00:40:28.000 –> 00:40:30.000
doesn’t mean that, you know, you had a
00:40:30.000 –> 00:40:31.000
bad past.
00:40:31.000 –> 00:40:33.000
But when you hear that, achieving a future
00:40:33.000 –> 00:40:35.000
greater than your past, what comes to mind
00:40:35.000 –> 00:40:36.000
for you?
00:40:38.000 –> 00:40:39.000
Oh, man. Well, I love it because I
00:40:39.000 –> 00:40:41.000
was actually wondering, like, I haven’t seen that
00:40:41.000 –> 00:40:43.000
on any of email, like, the soft company.
00:40:43.000 –> 00:40:45.000
I’m like, okay.
00:40:45.000 –> 00:40:47.000
Some so I am glad you brought that
00:40:47.000 –> 00:40:48.000
up because that’s good because that’s actually bothered
00:40:48.000 –> 00:40:49.000
me for a long time.
00:40:50.000 –> 00:40:52.000
No. That’s that’s good. Future greater than your
00:40:52.000 –> 00:40:53.000
past.
00:40:53.000 –> 00:40:56.000
I think for me that speaks hope to
00:40:56.000 –> 00:40:57.000
Gilliland
00:40:57.000 –> 00:40:59.000
I said earlier, right, hope is is is
00:40:59.000 –> 00:41:01.000
not a strategy, but it is great fuel.
00:41:02.000 –> 00:41:04.000
And I think if people are fueled by
00:41:04.000 –> 00:41:06.000
hope that it like you said, Does today
00:41:06.000 –> 00:41:08.000
could be good, but tomorrow could be even
00:41:08.000 –> 00:41:10.000
better. Mhmm. Doesn’t mean you have to have
00:41:10.000 –> 00:41:11.000
a terrible pass that you’re going through some
00:41:11.000 –> 00:41:14.000
stuff today, like, maybe you are. It certainly
00:41:14.000 –> 00:41:15.000
helps in those seasons. Right? If if things
00:41:15.000 –> 00:41:17.000
are difficult, like, hey, things can be better
00:41:17.000 –> 00:41:19.000
tomorrow. Whatever today is, things can be better
00:41:19.000 –> 00:41:19.000
tomorrow.
00:41:20.000 –> 00:41:22.000
But I think whatever season are in good
00:41:22.000 –> 00:41:23.000
season, tough season,
00:41:24.000 –> 00:41:27.000
seasons of, of abundance seasons where things are
00:41:27.000 –> 00:41:29.000
a little bit scarce. It’s like, hey, whatever
00:41:29.000 –> 00:41:30.000
season
00:41:30.000 –> 00:41:32.000
your future can is actually unlimited if you
00:41:32.000 –> 00:41:35.000
wanna create it. And and not in, you
00:41:35.000 –> 00:41:36.000
know, necessarily materialistic
00:41:36.000 –> 00:41:38.000
type sense, but, like, you can have a
00:41:38.000 –> 00:41:40.000
better tomorrow if you actually want to. And
00:41:40.000 –> 00:41:41.000
I think most people,
00:41:42.000 –> 00:41:44.000
I think most people have lost that. I
00:41:44.000 –> 00:41:47.000
don’t think people believe generally speaking anymore.
00:41:47.000 –> 00:41:49.000
They don’t believe that tomorrow can be better
00:41:49.000 –> 00:41:51.000
than today. I think people are stuck, and
00:41:51.000 –> 00:41:53.000
they feel like they’re always going to be
00:41:53.000 –> 00:41:55.000
stuck. Yeah. And they just get on this
00:41:55.000 –> 00:41:57.000
hamster wheel frustration and say, I don’t know.
00:41:57.000 –> 00:42:00.000
When you actually have so we have this
00:42:00.000 –> 00:42:01.000
to was this tool we use. We didn’t
00:42:01.000 –> 00:42:03.000
create it, but it’s called the the the
00:42:03.000 –> 00:42:03.000
change equation.
00:42:04.000 –> 00:42:05.000
And part of it is saying,
00:42:06.000 –> 00:42:08.000
you know, where what where’s your dissatisfaction
00:42:09.000 –> 00:42:11.000
in life? What are you dissatisfied with? Could
00:42:11.000 –> 00:42:12.000
be your finances, could be your family, could
00:42:12.000 –> 00:42:14.000
be your career, could be your health,
00:42:15.000 –> 00:42:16.000
could be relationships,
00:42:16.000 –> 00:42:18.000
could be a number of things. And and
00:42:18.000 –> 00:42:20.000
how dissatisfied are you, like, one to ten
00:42:20.000 –> 00:42:21.000
it’s like a one or a two, it’s
00:42:21.000 –> 00:42:24.000
like, okay. You’re not dissatisfied. You’re annoyed. You
00:42:24.000 –> 00:42:25.000
know, just get it stop complaining and move
00:42:25.000 –> 00:42:27.000
on. It’s an eight or a nine. It’s
00:42:27.000 –> 00:42:29.000
like, okay. We gotta do some surgery. Like,
00:42:29.000 –> 00:42:31.000
there’s some there’s some actual pain. So if
00:42:31.000 –> 00:42:34.000
you’re dissatisfaction, let’s say let’s say finances or
00:42:34.000 –> 00:42:35.000
your health, you’re an eight,
00:42:36.000 –> 00:42:38.000
What’s your vision? What’s your specific vision for
00:42:38.000 –> 00:42:38.000
that area? For for finances, your health, relationship,
00:42:38.000 –> 00:42:38.000
career? Most people, when when your vision is
00:42:38.000 –> 00:42:39.000
lower than
00:42:45.000 –> 00:42:46.000
your satisfaction,
00:42:47.000 –> 00:42:49.000
you get frustration, you get bitterness, you get
00:42:49.000 –> 00:42:51.000
discontent, you get anxiety, and that’s where most
00:42:51.000 –> 00:42:53.000
people are. You look around. Most people are
00:42:53.000 –> 00:42:54.000
are dissatisfied
00:42:54.000 –> 00:42:56.000
but they don’t have a vision of what
00:42:56.000 –> 00:42:58.000
could be. And so they’re stuck. Well, when
00:42:58.000 –> 00:43:00.000
your vision is higher than your dissatisfaction, well,
00:43:00.000 –> 00:43:02.000
then you have ambition, you have motivation,
00:43:03.000 –> 00:43:04.000
it’s saying like, hey, I’m at base camp
00:43:04.000 –> 00:43:06.000
at Mount Everest. I’m trying to get to
00:43:06.000 –> 00:43:07.000
the top. I’m not there yet,
00:43:08.000 –> 00:43:09.000
but I at least know where I’m going.
00:43:09.000 –> 00:43:11.000
And so you wake up every day with
00:43:11.000 –> 00:43:13.000
a direction that you wanna Gilliland
00:43:13.000 –> 00:43:15.000
so that that’s what I hear, what I
00:43:15.000 –> 00:43:16.000
see, when I see see future over your
00:43:16.000 –> 00:43:17.000
past, like,
00:43:17.000 –> 00:43:19.000
yeah, you’ve gotta have a Gilliland and a
00:43:19.000 –> 00:43:21.000
vision and a hope. And when you have
00:43:21.000 –> 00:43:23.000
that, anything’s possible. Yep. And I love that
00:43:23.000 –> 00:43:25.000
because it makes me think when we started
00:43:25.000 –> 00:43:28.000
our firm visionary wealth advisors that that so
00:43:28.000 –> 00:43:31.000
it’ll be ten years, in March. And
00:43:32.000 –> 00:43:35.000
that previous spot, as I was becoming more
00:43:35.000 –> 00:43:36.000
successful,
00:43:36.000 –> 00:43:38.000
right? Mhmm. My job satisfaction
00:43:38.000 –> 00:43:41.000
was going down. And Yeah. And then but
00:43:41.000 –> 00:43:43.000
we made this change to your point.
00:43:43.000 –> 00:43:46.000
Is it the Gilliland division was greater, right,
00:43:46.000 –> 00:43:47.000
than where we And so,
00:43:48.000 –> 00:43:50.000
it did. It fueled fire. It fueled energy.
00:43:50.000 –> 00:43:53.000
It fueled passion. But also, for me, personally,
00:43:53.000 –> 00:43:55.000
it it is basically
00:43:55.000 –> 00:43:58.000
you know, minimized to almost hardly anything, my
00:43:58.000 –> 00:44:00.000
anxiety, and my stress, and and Right. And
00:44:00.000 –> 00:44:02.000
so that happiness. And so it doesn’t ever
00:44:02.000 –> 00:44:04.000
mean it’s the right time because it wasn’t
00:44:04.000 –> 00:44:06.000
time. We were my wife was pregnant with
00:44:06.000 –> 00:44:09.000
our fourth child, built a new home. And
00:44:09.000 –> 00:44:10.000
so people have to
00:44:10.000 –> 00:44:13.000
think about those things, but take risks sometimes.
00:44:13.000 –> 00:44:14.000
Man, and you gotta bet on yourself, and
00:44:14.000 –> 00:44:16.000
you gotta go do it. So so I’m
00:44:16.000 –> 00:44:18.000
curious. I I’ve never done this before, but
00:44:18.000 –> 00:44:19.000
I’m gonna start doing this. I think I
00:44:19.000 –> 00:44:21.000
had this, pop in my mind. So the
00:44:21.000 –> 00:44:23.000
circuit of success, hence the podcast you’re on
00:44:23.000 –> 00:44:25.000
here. Yeah. The circuits of success are attitude,
00:44:26.000 –> 00:44:26.000
your beliefs,
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action,
00:44:28.000 –> 00:44:31.000
results. Right? So your attitude, your belief system,
00:44:31.000 –> 00:44:33.000
the action take, get your results. So when
00:44:33.000 –> 00:44:35.000
you hear those four, which one of those
00:44:35.000 –> 00:44:37.000
does dive deep into one of? Which word
00:44:37.000 –> 00:44:39.000
do you like? Attitude, beliefs, action, results?
00:44:40.000 –> 00:44:43.000
I think belief for me is the most
00:44:43.000 –> 00:44:44.000
powerful force in the world.
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You know, like that one for me trumps
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all of it.
00:44:49.000 –> 00:44:51.000
Meaning if if
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So you started the company because you believed
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success was possible. Mhmm. If you didn’t believe
00:44:56.000 –> 00:44:58.000
in it, you wouldn’t have done it. And
00:44:58.000 –> 00:44:59.000
that doesn’t mean you believed in it every
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single day. Right? We’re we’re human. We we
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have those moments of doubt and fear.
00:45:04.000 –> 00:45:07.000
But, like, the the car you drive that
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car exists because somebody believed it was possible.
00:45:10.000 –> 00:45:12.000
That car manufacturer exists because somebody thought I’m
00:45:12.000 –> 00:45:15.000
gonna I’m gonna create this. And the the
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school you went to, the town you’re from,
00:45:17.000 –> 00:45:19.000
All these things exist because somebody believed in
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it enough to take action. There may have
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been been several. It may have been hundreds
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of people who believed.
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I think it’s possible.
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But doubt eventually went out, and they didn’t
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figure out a way to create a university,
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to create a business, to create a car,
00:45:31.000 –> 00:45:33.000
to create a clothing brand, whatever it may
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be.
00:45:34.000 –> 00:45:36.000
Everything around us is created because somebody believed
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in it enough to actually take action on
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on those beliefs.
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And so I would say belief belief drives
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behavior.
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And belief will look for a way forward
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where doubt will look for a way out.
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And I think most people in life, right,
00:45:50.000 –> 00:45:52.000
we get on this path, early on, we
00:45:52.000 –> 00:45:54.000
believe our belief is high. Starting business, whatever
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it is. Like, man, this can be awesome.
00:45:55.000 –> 00:45:56.000
We can do it because we have no
00:45:56.000 –> 00:45:58.000
clue what that road’s gonna look like. We
00:45:58.000 –> 00:45:59.000
just think, like, Sarah, we think success is
00:45:59.000 –> 00:46:02.000
gonna go this way. We don’t anticipate all
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this this roundabout and chaos in in the
00:46:04.000 –> 00:46:05.000
middle of it.
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But for the people who who in the
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midst of that standard, I still I still
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believe in this thing that chose to run
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after. I still believe it’s possible. For me,
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it’s like
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going down, the highway,
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and there’s all these off ramps it’s gonna
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be hard, you might fail. They’re gonna laugh
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at you. You’re gonna lose everything. Like, whatever
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all the excuses the fears are, and if
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you if doubt is greater, as soon as
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you face a little bit of adversity,
00:46:29.000 –> 00:46:31.000
doubts, like, you’re right. I might fail. See
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you. I’m out. I’m gonna quit before I
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fail. And most people, they just they they
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have a life it’s almost like they’re just
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driving in a circle. Right? They get on
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be on the highway. Like, I believe it’s
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gonna be great.
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It gets hard. Oh, my might fail, and
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they get off. In the circle right back
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around and get on the next path. Oh,
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this is gonna be great. This is the
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one. It gets hard, and they take the
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next off ramp, and they just keep circling
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around.
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There’s people who believe, like, might be hard.
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That’s okay. I might fail. That’s okay. They
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might laugh at me. That’s okay. Because that
00:46:58.000 –> 00:47:00.000
belief is greater than their doubt, and, like,
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I’m gonna go figure out what’s possible. You
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know, and so I for me, I just
00:47:03.000 –> 00:47:06.000
think belief is such a powerful force. Yeah.
00:47:06.000 –> 00:47:08.000
Amen into that. So my final question on
00:47:08.000 –> 00:47:11.000
that, and, would be then belief in self,
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you know, I believe in a higher powers.
00:47:12.000 –> 00:47:14.000
Well, I believe in god. I believe in
00:47:14.000 –> 00:47:16.000
self. I believe in goal management or goal
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planning.
00:47:17.000 –> 00:47:19.000
Mhmm. Go achievement. All these things. Right? But
00:47:19.000 –> 00:47:20.000
The belief in yourself,
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how what would you recommend for people right
00:47:23.000 –> 00:47:25.000
now is to continue to grow that as
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much as possible. And there’s a fine line
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between arrogance
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and right? So how do we grow,
00:47:30.000 –> 00:47:31.000
in our belief in ourself?
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I think two things coming to mind. One,
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and then I know this gonna sound cheesy.
00:47:37.000 –> 00:47:40.000
So apologies to anyone listening, but cheesy works.
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One, I think, like, self affirmations.
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Like, I think think of the doubts that
00:47:45.000 –> 00:47:47.000
come in your mind. Like, write them down.
00:47:47.000 –> 00:47:48.000
I’m not good enough. I don’t have what
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it takes.
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People don’t believe in me. Whatever. All these
00:47:52.000 –> 00:47:53.000
lies that fill our brain
00:47:54.000 –> 00:47:56.000
that keep us from taking action. If you
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would write them down and write a truth
00:47:57.000 –> 00:48:00.000
next to it, like and or even write
00:48:00.000 –> 00:48:02.000
another column, of, like, who said that? Oh,
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nobody.
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Nobody said I would not get enough. Nobody
00:48:06.000 –> 00:48:07.000
said I can’t do it. Like, now maybe
00:48:07.000 –> 00:48:08.000
someone actually in your life, you know, you
00:48:08.000 –> 00:48:11.000
had some some jerk who put some negativity
00:48:11.000 –> 00:48:13.000
in in your mind, like Right. Most of
00:48:13.000 –> 00:48:14.000
the time, the person is us.
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And it’s like, oh, Well, okay. I’m the
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only person who said that, which means it’s
00:48:19.000 –> 00:48:21.000
not true. Well, what’s the truth of that?
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I am good enough. I do have what
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it takes.
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Whatever it may be, and so to to
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counter
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the lies with truth, and and that’s why
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I love, like, the power of belief in
00:48:30.000 –> 00:48:32.000
the brain. I’ve I’ve become just obsessed with
00:48:32.000 –> 00:48:34.000
the mind over the last, like, two years,
00:48:34.000 –> 00:48:35.000
three years,
00:48:35.000 –> 00:48:38.000
What what happens when you have a negative
00:48:38.000 –> 00:48:40.000
thought, it does actual brain damage.
00:48:41.000 –> 00:48:43.000
And so it weakens your brain. It weakens
00:48:43.000 –> 00:48:45.000
your brain’s ability to be innovative, to be
00:48:45.000 –> 00:48:47.000
creative, to be confident, to be focused, to
00:48:47.000 –> 00:48:50.000
be clear, to be calm. And so negativity
00:48:50.000 –> 00:48:52.000
does brain damage, which means you’re more likely
00:48:52.000 –> 00:48:54.000
to have more negative thoughts and does more
00:48:54.000 –> 00:48:55.000
brain damage. So,
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and when you have a positive thought, it
00:48:56.000 –> 00:48:57.000
it it strengthens your brain.
00:48:59.000 –> 00:49:02.000
Right? Positive thoughts re regenerate. They rebuild your
00:49:02.000 –> 00:49:04.000
brain to make you more confident, more clear,
00:49:04.000 –> 00:49:05.000
more creative, more innovative, more
00:49:07.000 –> 00:49:07.000
focused
00:49:07.000 –> 00:49:09.000
And so this idea of positive versus negative
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thinking, like, it’s actually changing. Your brain is
00:49:12.000 –> 00:49:12.000
not a,
00:49:13.000 –> 00:49:15.000
it’s not a a static thing. Right? It’s
00:49:15.000 –> 00:49:17.000
not fixed. It changes, and every thought is
00:49:17.000 –> 00:49:19.000
changing it. Your brain is it’s crazy. It’s
00:49:19.000 –> 00:49:21.000
like your our brain is
00:49:21.000 –> 00:49:23.000
a it it’s Gilliland.
00:49:23.000 –> 00:49:26.000
And fascinating, but it’s also very stupid. Your
00:49:26.000 –> 00:49:28.000
brain will believe whatever you tell it. Dings
00:49:28.000 –> 00:49:29.000
fast. That’s right.
00:49:30.000 –> 00:49:31.000
I think one, and you get to choose
00:49:31.000 –> 00:49:33.000
what you tell it. And so the more
00:49:33.000 –> 00:49:34.000
you practice, like and and so part of
00:49:34.000 –> 00:49:35.000
my morning routine,
00:49:36.000 –> 00:49:37.000
I’ve got mind body and soul. So I’ve
00:49:37.000 –> 00:49:39.000
got the the faith deal. I’ve got the
00:49:39.000 –> 00:49:40.000
workout.
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And then every day I write down ten
00:49:42.000 –> 00:49:43.000
things that I’m grateful for.
00:49:44.000 –> 00:49:45.000
And I started doing that during COVID when
00:49:45.000 –> 00:49:47.000
anxiety started to kick in a little bit.
00:49:48.000 –> 00:49:49.000
So I think number one is just some
00:49:49.000 –> 00:49:50.000
form of affirmations.
00:49:51.000 –> 00:49:53.000
You could even call these I’m statements. I
00:49:53.000 –> 00:49:54.000
I have a friend who she she works
00:49:54.000 –> 00:49:56.000
with the Air Force doing leadership training, and
00:49:56.000 –> 00:49:58.000
she was real nervous and insecure about it.
00:49:58.000 –> 00:50:00.000
She was real, like, sweet, quiet. So the
00:50:00.000 –> 00:50:01.000
moment, she’s like, what do I have to
00:50:01.000 –> 00:50:02.000
offer? She’s powerhouse.
00:50:03.000 –> 00:50:04.000
And so she put in her in her
00:50:04.000 –> 00:50:06.000
bone, like, every three hours, I’m confident.
00:50:07.000 –> 00:50:09.000
I’m a great leader. I have what it
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takes.
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And so it was just these reminders to
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her. And it started to reshape her brain
00:50:13.000 –> 00:50:15.000
to where she started to believe those things,
00:50:15.000 –> 00:50:17.000
then live those things. So number one, I
00:50:17.000 –> 00:50:19.000
think some form of self talk
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is really important. And I think number two
00:50:21.000 –> 00:50:24.000
is go go stack as many small successes
00:50:24.000 –> 00:50:26.000
as you possibly can. That could be going
00:50:26.000 –> 00:50:27.000
on a ten minute walk. That can be
00:50:27.000 –> 00:50:28.000
a success.
00:50:29.000 –> 00:50:31.000
It could be, what, like, having a difficult
00:50:31.000 –> 00:50:33.000
conversation. But but that builds confidence when you
00:50:33.000 –> 00:50:35.000
when you, you know, the other thing your
00:50:35.000 –> 00:50:37.000
brain does, If you have a hard task
00:50:37.000 –> 00:50:38.000
in front of you and you quit,
00:50:40.000 –> 00:50:42.000
it’s like railroad tracks are being laid in
00:50:42.000 –> 00:50:44.000
your brain. And when you quit, there’s a
00:50:44.000 –> 00:50:46.000
gap. The railroad tracks don’t finish.
00:50:46.000 –> 00:50:48.000
And so the next time you’re in a
00:50:48.000 –> 00:50:50.000
difficult situation, your brain doesn’t know how to
00:50:50.000 –> 00:50:51.000
finish the hard task. It’s like all it
00:50:51.000 –> 00:50:53.000
knows what to do is is to quit
00:50:54.000 –> 00:50:56.000
When you complete it, it it’s like it
00:50:56.000 –> 00:50:58.000
lays that railroad track and it finishes it.
00:50:58.000 –> 00:50:59.000
It completes the track. And so the next
00:50:59.000 –> 00:51:01.000
time you’re in a hard situation, your brain’s
00:51:01.000 –> 00:51:02.000
like, oh, I know what to do here.
00:51:02.000 –> 00:51:03.000
I know how to finish. I know how
00:51:03.000 –> 00:51:05.000
to do hard things, which is part of
00:51:05.000 –> 00:51:07.000
why, like, just the value of working out
00:51:07.000 –> 00:51:10.000
every day. It’s hard. It’s not fun. Most
00:51:10.000 –> 00:51:11.000
days I don’t wanna finish it. Like, this
00:51:11.000 –> 00:51:13.000
is killing me. I wanna Oh, I’m like,
00:51:13.000 –> 00:51:14.000
I’ve got five more minutes. I can do
00:51:14.000 –> 00:51:16.000
anything for five more minutes, whatever it is.
00:51:16.000 –> 00:51:18.000
But part of part of me doing that
00:51:18.000 –> 00:51:19.000
one is my own just physical health, but
00:51:19.000 –> 00:51:21.000
two training your brain to to deal with
00:51:21.000 –> 00:51:23.000
adversity to do hard things. And so those
00:51:23.000 –> 00:51:25.000
things build confidence when you need confidence.
00:51:26.000 –> 00:51:28.000
Yeah. So strong. I I think about that
00:51:28.000 –> 00:51:30.000
made me think about what I call comfort
00:51:30.000 –> 00:51:32.000
zone callus. Right? Your comfort zone is so
00:51:32.000 –> 00:51:34.000
small when we start out. Right? But then
00:51:34.000 –> 00:51:35.000
if you do something,
00:51:35.000 –> 00:51:37.000
it gets it just keeps getting a little
00:51:37.000 –> 00:51:39.000
bit bigger. Right? So then your hand, if
00:51:39.000 –> 00:51:40.000
it’s if you have a callus from, you
00:51:40.000 –> 00:51:41.000
know, work or whatever it may be, you
00:51:41.000 –> 00:51:43.000
just you gotta go around the callus, right,
00:51:43.000 –> 00:51:45.000
and figure out a way out to get
00:51:45.000 –> 00:51:47.000
out of your comfort zone. So well, Kevin,
00:51:47.000 –> 00:51:48.000
this has been awesome. And where do our
00:51:48.000 –> 00:51:51.000
listeners find more of, Kevin DeShazo?
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Yeah. So I’m on every social media platform,
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just at Kevin DeShazo,
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Twitter or X and and Instagram, probably the
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two that I’m most active on, LinkedIn fairly
00:52:01.000 –> 00:52:01.000
active as well.
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You’re welcome to just go to the website.
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DeShazo dot me.
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If you’re in sports,
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our sports leadership company is be better leaders
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dot com. So those are those are the
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easiest places to find me. It’s so great
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to have you on the circuit success, man.
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Appreciate your time. Absolutely. I honor to be
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Unlock the keys to success with Kevin DeShazo in this empowering episode of the Circuit of Success podcast. Join host Brett Gilliland as they delve into mental performance mastery, exploring pivotal topics like student-athletes transferring schools, decision-making grounded in knowledge, and the art of disciplined commitment. Discover the transformative impact of self-talk and the strategy of stacking small successes as Kevin shares insights into personal growth and development. “The power of self-talk is so important,” Kevin asserts, emphasizing its role as the language shaping our success. Kevin advocates for pushing beyond comfort zones to foster growth in this conversation. Gain valuable tips on learning from past leaders, making decisions without emotion, and preparing for adversity. Kevin’s wisdom extends to the significance of reading diverse perspectives, following engaging figures on social media, and immersing oneself in insightful books. This episode serves as a compelling reminder to reflect on your goals and dreams, taking actionable steps towards realizing them. By integrating practices like self-talk, stacking small successes, and embracing continuous learning, listeners can enhance their confidence and resilience, making tomorrow better than today. Tune in to this Circuit of Success podcast episode and embark on a journey of self-discovery, empowerment, and tangible strategies for achieving lasting success.
Mastering Mental Performance
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Welcome to the Circuit of Success.
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I’m your host Brett Gilliland in today.
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I’ve got Kevin DeShazo with me, Kevin. How
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you doing?
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Fantastic. How are you? I am good. How’s,
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Oklahoma City treating you today?
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It’s great.
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Not too wintery of weather yet. It’s actually
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pretty nice. So it’s a it’s good Monday.
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Awesome. It’s a little chilly and rainy here,
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but it it could be a lot worse.
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So that’s our item. I’m just outside of
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Saint Louis.
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And, so you are in Oklahoma City.
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You are the father of three boys. We
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both have something in common. We both have
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an asher.
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And you are married and running some businesses.
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Certified mental performance,
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mastery coach and founded, field house, media.
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And, we’ll talk about some other stuff as
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well. So, before we get started though, Kevin,
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could you just give us a little lay
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of the land? What’s made you the man
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you are today and what’s some of the
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backstory for you?
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Oh, what is that’s a big question. What
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has made me the man I am seeing?
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Probably who has made me the man I
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am seeing?
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You know, I’ve I’ve been really fortunate to
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have great mentors, great people,
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in my life from a a young age.
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And I think the the two things I’ve
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learned probably the most from from all those
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mentors combined is one, the power of speaking
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belief in the people. These are always people
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who believed something in me. Saw something in
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me, called those things up in me,
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treated me as if I I’ve I’ve already
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was those things
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and two, just the, their, the way they
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modeled their life. Right? They were people who
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were accountable. They were disciplined. They were consistent.
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What’s it was important to me. They were
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they were all rooted in faith.
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So they were good husbands, good dads, good
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business people, whatever their job was.
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And so I’ve always had had good mentors.
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And then over the years, you know, I
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went into the corporate world right out of
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college. Well, that’s not true.
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Don’t have to go down this down down
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this revolt, but I was I was an
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embalmer’s assistant for six months immediately out of
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college. Wow.
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Then then went into the corporate world. Then
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started my own business,
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and businesses. And so lots of ups and
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downs of peaks and valleys and failures and
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successes,
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think all those things, all those experiences, the
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wins and losses, you know, they they each
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kinda mold you into. If you allow them
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to, if you use them the right way,
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they mold you into,
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who you’re supposed to be. Yeah. And you
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grew up in Oklahoma?
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Mostly, I was in Missouri, until sixth grade.
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And so I moved to Tulsa, Oklahoma,
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right after I finished sixth grade, and dinner,
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Oklahoma since then. Nice. And doing some work
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with Oklahoma, the university. Right? That’s right. Yeah.
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We we do a lot with their athletic
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department, both from their administration, you know, jokes
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to Leon, their athletic director, their leadership team,
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their department,
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but also work with a lot of their
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sports teams,
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worked deeply with football team, travel with the
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football team. So it’s a it’s it’s a
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fun a fun client to have. Yeah. So
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speaking of football, so how did,
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how did you think it went last night?
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They picked the top four teams.
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Well, Florida State’s also a client. Yeah. Oh.
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So so so didn’t didn’t love them being
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left out.
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You know, it’s it’s a there’s probably a
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bigger societal perspective to take on it, but
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it was
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you know, the committee went, in my opinion,
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they went on feelings based on that I
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rather rather than based on facts.
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I just think it’s tough to leave,
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a Power five undefeated team
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out, you know,
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in in place of teams who have who
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have lost skin. Now for that fourth spot,
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I think there could be a lot of
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argument. Whether it’s Bamba or Georgia or Texas
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or
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even Ohio State, you know, they’re only lost
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being to Michigan. There’s a lot of argument
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for that fourth spot, but my opinion, Florida
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State should have been should have been a
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guarantee. Yep. Yeah. It’s tough. And I guess
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next year going to what? Ten teams or
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twelve teams, whatever they’re doing next year. Yeah.
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Twelve will change from that. But then you’ll
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still have the thirteenth team. That’ll be mad.
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That’s right. And, That’s right. That’s where I
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go because you’re right. It’s like the twelve
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team solves
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this discussion in terms of, like, okay. They
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would have all had a chance.
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And and I’ve been, you know, hoping and
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waiting for this this twelve team for a
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while because I my general opinion is if
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you’re in the top 08:10, maybe twelve,
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you probably have a good chance, like, to
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win a national, like, a national title. You’ve
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got some talent. You’re you’re pretty elite.
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There’s not always. Some years, there’s a massive
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difference, but typically that that one to eight,
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one to ten gap is not very wide.
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Once you get thirteen, fourteen, fifteen, say, okay,
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you’ve probably lost two or three games. It’s
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like you’ve had enough of a chance
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But it’ll be but there’s always gonna be
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someone who feels left out. Right? And whether
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there were thirty teams, right, someone’s gonna feel
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left out. Yep. Yeah. Well, you look at,
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like, Liberty, I saw the twelfth team, I
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think, liberty.
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And then you got, like, LSU on the
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thirteenth.
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Oh, wow.
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So the thirteenth team was LSUU. You look
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at the difference of who they’re all playing,
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you know, a little bit different deal there.
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So so, And and Liberty Liberty go to
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play Oregon. So that’ll be interesting. Yeah.
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Yeah. Who who are you guys playing?
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We’ve got Arizona. Will be a great I
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mean, Arizona, they’ve won, like, five straight, I
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believe.
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Mhmm. And then when you add all the
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transfer portal, so our quarterback just announced today,
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he’s leaving
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as a grad transfer, we’ve got a we’ve
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got a guy who’s who’s playing behind him,
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who was ready. And he this year was
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kind of a mentoring year for him. Talked
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about great leadership.
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But portal season,
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people transferring, coaches, moving around. So it’ll be
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interesting.
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Yeah. It’s crazy. I saw today the, so
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Ohio States play in Missouri,
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and they’ve already announced, like, their quarterbacks leaving
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Ohio State’s quarterback leaving. They had, like, I
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don’t know. Five or six guys already say
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they’re not playing in the game. It’s, like,
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it’s wild. It’s wild.
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Yeah. Yeah. So so how do we fix
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that? The societal problem of of this. Right?
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What I worry about with the, the transfer
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portal and all that stuff as accountability
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is kids these days can run from Right?
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Because if I hold you accountable Gilliland
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you don’t like that, well, then what are
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you gonna do? You’re just gonna take your
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bag and you’re gonna take the ball and
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go home. Right? So so what are your
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thoughts on and then how do we fix
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that issue?
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Yeah. It’s really interesting.
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I think transferring is fine.
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I liked the old way where you had
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to sit out for a season because that
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made you have to really think, like, okay.
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Am I do I really wanna go somewhere?
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Am I really that unhappy?
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That I’m willing to go sit for a
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year and lose development, lose playing time, lose
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putting myself on tape. If I think I’m
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good enough to go to the NFL, or
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MBA, whatever it may be.
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And so I I think there has to
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be some form of consequence,
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so to speak, transferring to cause them to
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to pause a little bit, which I think
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is is now come back. Now you can
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transfer
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once freely, but the second time I think
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now you have to sit out. Something along
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those lines. Okay.
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Or or some situation where you have to
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get a waiver. I mean, I think just
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allowing kids to transfer
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You know, when I was eighteen, I knew
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nothing. I should not have been making decisions
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for my life or my career at at
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eighteen because it would have all been based
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on how I the moment. And if someone
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does something I don’t like, well, this coach
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is against me. They’re being a jerk. Like,
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no, this is called discipline and accountability. And
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this is what growth looks like.
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So I think we’ve we’ve got a what’s
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interesting is the person who gets hurt the
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most in this are the student athletes. They
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think it’s helping the student athletes. They’re the
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ones who get hurt the worst. Because they
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all go on the Gilliland then, you know,
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whatever the number is, forty five, fifty percent
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have nowhere to go.
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There there’s no spot. So they think they’re
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going to greener pastures, and there’s nothing. And
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they go from a, you know, it could
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be an Oklahoma State to a division two
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or division three school or a low level,
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group of five, you know, division one school.
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It’s like, wait a minute. I was in
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the Big twelve. And now I’m
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at at, you know, the bottom of the
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pack in the sun belt or whatever it
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may be. Yeah.
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So I think that’s that’s part of it.
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I think we need to change the timing
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they they had a few portal windows, but
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doing it right now,
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when one coaches football coaches from December first
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to December sixteenth is an is an open
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period for recruiting. So they’re visiting all these
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high school kids,
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for the next two weeks while trying to
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keep their current roster here
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while trying to prepare for a bowl game.
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And signing day
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is in the next two to three weeks,
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like, the the main signing day. So then
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all this is happening in a matter of
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three weeks. And it’s just utter chaos,
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for everyone. And so to say, wait a
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minute. Like, we’ve gotta calm down with the
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opt outs of bowl games with being able
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to transfer
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there’s gotta be value in finishing what you
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started.
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And and if you wanna transfer, that’s okay.
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It might you might be in the wrong
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situation. Right? They may have fired your coach.
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You’re like, man, I don’t buy into the
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new coach. Like, this is not what I
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was here for. There’s always situations,
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but I do think there has to be
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a better process where it benefits everyone.
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Yeah. I’ve talked to coaches, you know, it’s
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it’s tough because now they’re having to recruit
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the same kids. They’ve already recruited Right? And
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so if it doesn’t get me easier. And
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that that whole accountability thing, like I mentioned,
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is what what worries me. And
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I don’t know. You worry about I worry
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about this. I mean, I’m just getting to
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be the old dad. You worry about, like,
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chat, GPT. I worry about that stuff. Like,
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is that gonna take away critical thinking from
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our kids?
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Right. Right. All that Gilliland so that’s probably
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a whole another podcast. But,
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so you are a big reader, I see.
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And so talk to me about that. So,
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obviously,
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I think it’s a a big important thing
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that people obviously need to do, but talk
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to me about what you get from it,
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what’s your process like, kind of books you
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recommend.
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I just think, you know, I fell in
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love with reading at a young age. I
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mean, in kindergarten, I was reading six grade
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level books and couldn’t couldn’t get enough. I
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just loved reading.
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And then you know, kinda as as school
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tends to do, I was forced to read.
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And so I lost kind of the love
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and and passion for it when I didn’t
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have a have a choice in when I
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was getting to read and when I read
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it.
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But I’d say in the last 10:15 years,
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I’ve just kinda rediscovered that passion.
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It sparks ideas. It’s a good way for
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me to to it’s it’s a weird combination
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of shutting off my brain, but also turning
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on my brain. Right? I can shut it
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off from my day to day and things
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that,
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cause stress or I’m building or need to
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think about, but it allows me think about
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new things, and think about the things I’m
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doing maybe in a in a different way.
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And I just I don’t know who who
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the original quote, where it’s from, but, you
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know, leaders are readers. And I just think
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that’s we we have to be reading. We
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can’t be stagnant just because I know what
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I’m doing in this lane today,
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doesn’t mean I know much about tomorrow or
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these other areas. And so I think trying
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to be well read, and trying to model
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that for my kids. Like, it’s just a
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good way to to slow down. Fortunately so
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far, my kids love reading. My fourteen year
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old, you know, we’ll go to Florida in
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the summer, and it’s probably, I don’t know,
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ten hour drive, twelve hour drive, and he’ll
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he’ll read an entire book, you know, just
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sit in the back of the car. We
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won’t hear from him the whole trip. He’s
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just got his his his head in the
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book. And,
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and, and he loves it. I mean, he
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read one year
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all the Harry Potter books from Christmas to
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February.
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Wow. Just just sat down and and yeah.
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And so I, yeah, I just think it’s
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such a valuable thing and and part of
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it.
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You know, I don’t know if I just
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think this or if this is true, but
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I think as a society in general, we
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don’t read enough.
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Social media doesn’t count. Right? Like, Twitter is
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not reading.
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And and so I think we we just
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kinda lost the the value that the books
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bring historical books, new books, And so I
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I like all topics. That’s probably not fair.
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I love reading leadership books. I love reading
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business books. I love history of getting getting
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more and more into older history books and
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seeing what leaders of the past did. Right?
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There there’s nothing new under the sun. So
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we can come up with with all these
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new leadership books today, but
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what did people do in the early nineteen
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hundreds and the eighteen hundred. Like, what were
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they thinking? Those those principles still matter, you
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know, so so learning from leaders of the
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past.
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Love it. Love it. You got a book
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right there behind you. I can see that
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one right there. Keep keep chopping wood.
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Yep. Right? So tell me about that.
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It was really interesting.
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So kind of the backstory on it. It
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was a Saturday night in January, and and
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it was freezing outside, like snow on the
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ground type freezing.
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And at the time, we lived in about
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a hundred and five year old house in
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downtown Oklahoma City.
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We’ve recently moved,
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just general life advice for anyone listening. Don’t
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move between Christmas and New Year’s. Like, that’s
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a great test of your marriage.
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We passed, thankfully.
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But so at the time we lived in
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a hundred and five year old home, and,
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you know, the windows were
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were less than paper thin.
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And my neighbor had a wood burning fireplace.
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And so we’re sitting there watching TV one
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night, and I can smell his fireplace burning.
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You know, my brain goes weird places, and
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I’m like, wonder? Like, wonder where firewood comes
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from? Like, what’s the process? Like, what how
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does that how does it get from tree
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to fireplace? Like, what does that look like?
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And and so I’ve googled it. Obviously, it’s
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not sound like secret process. I think government
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is not trying to prevent us from knowing
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what this looks like. And so I I
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what I found was
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that
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that the wood my neighbor was burning was
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not from that morning. It wasn’t from earlier
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in the week. That wood goes through this.
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It’s called seasoning, but it’s essentially just drying
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out. Wood has to dry out. It could
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be six, 09:12, fifteen months depending on the
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wood.
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In order for it to be ready for
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the fireplace in order for it to be
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be useful. Same thing if anyone listening, you
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know, you you go camping, well, if you
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try to light what
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firewood or your campsite, it’s not gonna work
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out. So same concept.
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And so I’m like, oh, interesting. Well, that
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means somebody had to be out in, like,
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March getting that firewood. You know, this wasn’t,
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like, earlier this week or earlier in the
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month, or this was months ago when they
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didn’t need it. That’s interesting. And so that
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made me think of culture and leadership and
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this process of of getting better.
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And so I just fired off a tweet
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as I typically do and,
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went to bed. Tell my wife’s, like, I
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think I found the idea of my next
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book. And she’s like, I’m sure you did
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because this is a seven times a week.
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I think I have an idea for a
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new book.
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And and so I woke up and it
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had kinda blown up a little bit. Like,
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okay. Interesting. That that resonated, which that’s a
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lot of what social media is for me
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is just putting out thoughts to see what
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resonates, what connects,
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and that one did. And so then I
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I have a a newsletter that I write
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for leaders every day.
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Used that story
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in my newsletter. So that was on a
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Saturday. Use this the story of my newsletter
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on a Monday. And I don’t usually get
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responses on the newsletter. It’s not designed to
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get responses. It’s just designed to serve people.
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Like, here’s a thought, here’s a thing. And
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I probably got fifty, sixty responses of, and
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I printed this off and gave it to
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my whole team. And I gave this to
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my son. I mean, like, okay. Two for
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two. There’s something there.
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And our office is above a coffee shop
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here in downtown Oklahoma City. And so that
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Tuesday morning came in,
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which the copy shop put some headphones in
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and four hours later, there it was. Wow.
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And that sounds impressive. It’s not it’s, like,
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nine thousand words. It’s not like I wrote
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a forty thousand word novel. It’s nine thousand
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words. You you can read it in about
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thirty minutes.
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But, yeah, still wrote it that that day
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and published it a few months later. That’s
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beautiful. So how many total books have you
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written?
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Three.
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I just finished the fourth. I’ve got a
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new one that I’m I’m working on. But
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I wrote one. So so one of my
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first businesses I started was called Fieldhouse Media,
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and it was doing social media training for
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college athletes and coaches
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And so I wrote a book called eye
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athlete, which is really about helping coaches understand
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this generation of of student athlete.
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Don’t recommend that one. It was more of
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one is terribly, rewritten. But it was more
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of, like, to establish myself as the thought
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leader kind of in that space.
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And then I wrote a book called Leadershipinterrupted,
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which took three hundred and sixty five of
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my daily emails and just kinda put them
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in. It’s almost like leadership devotional style. It’s
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like every day is a thought for for
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leaders.
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And then keep chopping wood. And then I’ve
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got a new one that I’m working on,
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called into the storm about how to deal
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with adversity.
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Love it. Love it. So let’s talk about
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that. How do we deal with adversity? What’s,
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what’s your game plan there? Cause there’s a
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lot of it right now.
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There is. And so I think
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so here, this story, it’s not original story,
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but how I’m how I’m framing is is
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in in an original way. But I was
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at Florida State, a year and a half
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ago,
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and they were introducing the new CEO
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of of seminal boosters. So it’s like their
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fundraising arm kind of for for athletics. It’s
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its own separate organization.
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And
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Steven Ponder, the CEO, he told the story
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of of,
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when storms come over the mountains, like in
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the rocky mountains, they come from the west
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to the east. And he said, what happens
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is cows, they sense storm. They know it’s
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coming and fear sets in. They say, we
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gotta get to safety. We gotta get out
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of here. And so cows turn and run
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east, away from the storm. They wanna get
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away from it. And cows are dumb and
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slow. And so what happens is they get
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stuck in the storm. The frustration,
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the obstacles, the anxiety, the
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fear, their frustration
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until eventually the storm runs out. Right? But
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they’re just going with the storm until eventually
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it passes them because every storm runs out
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of
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And so, but by the time they the
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storm passes, they’ve lost ground. It’s like, wait
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a minute. We were already over here. Now
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we’ve run away. We’ve gotta do all this
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work just to get back to where we
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were. We thought we were getting to safety.
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We actually made things worse, and we prolonged
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our suffering, prolong the frustration,
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prolong the adversity,
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Meanwhile, Bison,
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fun fact, there are no buffalo in North
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America. So Colorado needs a new mascot.
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But bison in in Colorado and in the
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mountains, when the storm comes over, they sense
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it as well. And they say, great. Let’s
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go through it. So instead of running away
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from it, Bison go into the storm. Head
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first, step after step, they make progress.
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They still experience it because you can’t avoid
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the storm. Right? I think most most of
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the issues in life is like we keep
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trying to avoid adversity, and you can’t. It’s
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guaranteed.
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And and when when we accept that, we
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say, okay. If adversity’s gonna hit, I can’t
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choose what it is. I can’t choose, like,
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I don’t know if I’m gonna get sick.
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I don’t know if I’m gonna lose a
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loved one, but I know that adversity is
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gonna come at some point. So if I
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if I expect it, I can mentally be
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prepared for. And I can choose to do
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some hard things along the way in life
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to actually prepare me for the the the
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adversity that shows up. And so they realize,
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like, one, we can’t avoid the adversity and
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two, only way through it is through it.
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And when you just go through it, you
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still experience it. Right? There’s still frustration and
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anxiety and fear and frustration,
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but there’s less of it. Right? The cows
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have this prolonged,
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frustrating experience in adversity.
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The bison just simply get through it because
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they go into it, they get through it.
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And then on the other side of it,
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they’ve made progress. Mhmm. There’d have to be
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a lot of progress.
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Like, baby steps are still progress, but they
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they went through it. And they got better
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in the midst of it. And so that’s
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the general idea. It’s like adversity is gonna
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land on your doorstep at some point, and
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at multiple points in your life. Right? And
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and there could be there’s levels to it.
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It could be very small adversity. It could
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be a major live thing.
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The we have the choice in that moment.
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What do we do with it? We gonna
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let fear take over, run away from it,
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or we say, no. No. The only way
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through this, it’s not gonna be fun. It
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could be messy. It’s gonna be difficult. Like,
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it’s not it’s not saying there’s an easy
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path. But it’s the best path. Yeah. Yeah.
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It’s it’s to your point, I was it
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is gonna show up. Right? And I think
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so many times as we’re growing as leaders.
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We we want it just to be the
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straight line, but, obviously, success doesn’t work that
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way. Right? It’s a really squiggly market, and
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hopefully it ends up higher than where we
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started. But talk about, I I I can
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for me when I was, you know, I
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have a defining moments in my life, you
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know, like my second year as a financial
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advisor, the, you know, these different things that
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happen.
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What what moment for you was this light
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bulb moment? Maybe, like, in tough times, something
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you learned
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that, man, you’re just like, how did I
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not know that before? Any moments like that
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for you to stick out?
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Yeah. There was so year
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probably one, maybe two.
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When I was first starting Fieldhouse Media. So
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I had started another company. It failed miserably.
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It was in the health care world, which
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was my previous background.
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Like, zero dollars in a year failed like,
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so if there’s any any students listening or
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people starting business, like, the goal is to
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make more than zero dollars. Yes. You’ve got
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you’ve got bills to pay. Right? And so
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I I was at zero.
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Like, it was bad enough. Like, I had
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to sell a bicycle to pay a mortgage.
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Like, it was it was not good.
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And then I had this idea for field
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house media. And
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and I went to my wife and, like,
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you know, clearly I’m great at business.
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I think I should start another one. And
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for some reason, she was like, let’s go
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for it. And and we both felt like
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it was the right move But it was
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another year of
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no’s.
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Right? Every day was a no. Every day
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was a failure if if that’s the the
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definition of success if I’m trying to if
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if I’m trying to get a yes, I
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just got no’s.
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And it was I mean, I was depressed.
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I was anxious. I was, like, I’m not
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a huge person. Like, I was losing a
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ton of weight. I wasn’t sleeping.
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It was, like, we found out we were
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pregnant with our second son in that season.
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And my wife cried when we found out
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and not tears of joy. It was like,
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how are we gonna do this? Like,
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and but there was this we we had
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thankfully, you know, some poor mentors around us,
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a community around us, people around us,
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who believed in us, but also believed in
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what we were doing. And so, like, we
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we were having a weekly conversation with my
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wife, and I was like, hey, is this
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still the right path? Do we actually believe
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that this is the right path? Is this
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suffering worth it?
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And so we had to make a choice
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pretty much every week. Is this suffering worth
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it? And,
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what I wish I had known back in,
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and it and it certainly it it worked
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out. What I wish I had known,
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is that even in the midst of choosing
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to continue to enter into it, I wish
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I would have had a better attitude
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when I was, like, when I was actually
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in it. Because there was a lot of,
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like, we’d have the conversation, like, yeah, I
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feel like this is the right thing. Great.
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So I’d go back to work the next
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day and try to keep building. But my
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attitude the whole time was, like, this isn’t
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I was I was actually thinking this isn’t
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worth it. It’s not gonna work. I just
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I’ve I’ve come so negative,
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and so beaten down, I just didn’t I
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didn’t think it was gonna work even though
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I’ve I was trying to convince myself
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I wish I would’ve, had a better attitude,
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and I wish I would’ve,
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we had good community around us, but I
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wish I would’ve leaned more into that community.
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That’s part of the the new books, like,
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the power of your herd. Like, the people
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around you dictate your future.
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And I had the people around me,
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in my future, worked out okay, probably accidentally,
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which is just not how you want it
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to work out.
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It could have been better faster if I
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had actually leaned into the power of the
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people around me, because they were they wanted
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to pour in. They wanted to do whatever.
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And I was prideful in the midst of
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it saying, you know, I can I can
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do this on my own? And I and
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I didn’t because you never do it alone,
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but I wish I’d I wish I understood
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the power of the herd earlier on. Yep.
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It is so powerful, so powerful. And so
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thinking about that, I
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I read this quote recently that really hit
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me, and it was it said, you know,
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make decisions based on your knowledge,
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not on your emotion.
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Right? Yep. So it’s easy to say I
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wanna go to the gym and base it
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on knowledge, but there’s days you don’t wanna
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do it. Right? So what have you found
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yourself Gilliland, you know, these other leaders and
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these coaches and athletic directors and all the
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people you’re around,
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what do you find
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is is that thing, right, that gets them
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going to the, quote, unquote, gym, what it
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may be. What is that thing that helps
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them base their decision on knowledge?
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Yeah. I think for me,
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it’s honoring your commitments.
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Meaning if I committed to doing it yesterday,
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it doesn’t matter how I feel today.
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So I I’ve lately, I’ve been phrasing it
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kind of that way. It’s like, I wanna
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honor yesterday’s commit not today’s feelings.
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Because I it’s your point. I’m not gonna
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feel like it all the time, and nobody
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does. And I and I think that’s the
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biggest thing is is when I when I
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talk to young people today, whether that’s college
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students or or young professionals,
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a lot of it is how they feel.
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I’m like Yep. I’m not trying to be
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dismissive, but I just don’t really care. How
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you feel like we all have days. We
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don’t feel like it. This is part of
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life doesn’t mean you have a bad boss,
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doesn’t mean you have a bad team, doesn’t
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mean you’re in the wrong job. It just
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means that life is hard some days, and
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we don’t always feel like it. And and
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who you actually are, is determined by how
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you show up when you don’t feel like
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it. Because if if we all just showed
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up when we when we felt like it,
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we would make zero progress.
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Right. And but if I can, you know,
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I’ve I’ve been really consistent, and I’m not
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a disciplined person,
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but I’ve trained myself to be disciplined. Right?
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It’s not a personality trait. It’s it’s a
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Gilliland
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so I’ve I found that when I when
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I
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live my live my commitments,
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the the more I choose it the easier
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it gets.
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Meaning,
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so I’ve I’ve worked out,
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every day now for over three hundred and
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sixty five days.
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And and I just do it at my
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house. Like Yep. I’m I’m big on eliminating
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as many barriers as possible. It’s like, man,
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I don’t wanna wake up and get on
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gym clothes and drive to the gym and
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deal that and drive home. Okay. Can you
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do something in your house?
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You know, what can you do it? Like,
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go start simple, then you can then you
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can add to it if you want to.
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Yeah. But early on, it was not fun
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always. I didn’t always look forward to it.
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Some days, I wake up, and I’m sore
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from the previous day. Or I’ve traveled or
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there’s all sorts of excuses I can make.
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Well, I’ll just take the day off. And
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rest is great. Like, it’s okay to take
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days off.
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But
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I just had to say no. No. I
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yesterday, I said I was gonna do it
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today. So I’m gonna I’m gonna honor that
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commitment. And the more I choose it, the
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less I have to choose it. Right? The
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more I choose it, the more it starts
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to become automatic. And so now I don’t
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wake up and negotiate with myself. It’s like,
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alright. And I walk walk to the room
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where I get my workin’ in. It’s like,
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it’s just just what I do. And so
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I think
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for leaders, it’s it’s one, it’s choosing to
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live your commitments.
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But two, also having a reason for why
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you’re doing it. Like, I’m not I’m not
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working out to be a body builder.
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To climb mount everest, to run a like,
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I’m working out to be healthy as a
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leader, as an entrepreneur,
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as a dad, as a husband, Like, there’s
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a there’s a why that makes me want
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to get up every morning and do those
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things. And I don’t always remember that why.
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And and somebody said, and I do the
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same thing. And faith is a big deal
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for me. Youversion is an app that I
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use.
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I’ve been in it every day
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for one thousand three hundred and seventy four
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straight days. And so we’d like to start
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just going through the motions some days. Yep.
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Just a Bible app.
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Oh, yeah. Yeah. And they’ve got these little,
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you know, short short devotionals.
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But people are like, why don’t you just
00:25:51.000 –> 00:25:53.000
go through the motions some days? Yep. But
00:25:53.000 –> 00:25:54.000
I’d rather go through the motions the on
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doing the right things than do nothing. You
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know? So I’m okay with just going through
00:25:57.000 –> 00:25:59.000
the motions someday. That that’s okay.
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But I’ve just found the more
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I think the two things I’ll I’ll try
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to create is confidence and momentum.
00:26:07.000 –> 00:26:09.000
Meaning, if I do it today,
00:26:09.000 –> 00:26:11.000
that fear is gonna kick in tomorrow. You
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can’t do this today. You can’t work out
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today. You’re tired. You travel me. No. No.
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I did it yesterday. I actually know that
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I can do it. I have proof that
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I can do it. I have confidence because
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I did it yesterday. Which allows me to
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do it today. Once you get to stack
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two or three, four, five days in a
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row, I know you have confidence. Now you
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also have momentum. And those things can carry
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you through to some powerful places. Yep. So
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what kind of exercises are you doing these
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days?
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So I’ve shifted.
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So for most of the last year, it
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was some variation. Like, I’d just get up
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and I would do, like,
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push ups. I’d do curls. I’d do some
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tricep stuff. I’d do some some, crunches, some
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ab work. Just very basic.
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The last fifty days I think I’m actually
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fifty days in. Let me check my phone
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to make sure this I’m not lying to
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you. But I I
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signed up for an app called,
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ladder.
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Fifty
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one days. Sorry. Fifty fifty one days.
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And
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so you go in, and I I wanna
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say it’s twenty, maybe thirty bucks a month.
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I hate going to the gym. Like, I
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love working out. I hate going to the
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gym. It’s just not alright. I hate the
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process. I actually like being at the gym,
00:27:17.000 –> 00:27:19.000
but the whole process of it is just
00:27:19.000 –> 00:27:19.000
not convenient.
00:27:20.000 –> 00:27:23.000
For for my life. And so ladder, you
00:27:23.000 –> 00:27:24.000
go in and you say, what kind of
00:27:24.000 –> 00:27:26.000
workouts do you like to do, or what
00:27:26.000 –> 00:27:27.000
type of equipment do you like to use
00:27:28.000 –> 00:27:29.000
Where do you like to work out? How
00:27:29.000 –> 00:27:31.000
long do you like to work out? What
00:27:31.000 –> 00:27:31.000
are your goals?
00:27:32.000 –> 00:27:34.000
And it assigns you a coach or it’s
00:27:34.000 –> 00:27:36.000
a here here’s two or three coaches who
00:27:36.000 –> 00:27:37.000
could who could work for you. And you
00:27:37.000 –> 00:27:39.000
look at their program and you sign up
00:27:39.000 –> 00:27:41.000
and they drop in every Sunday night, they
00:27:41.000 –> 00:27:43.000
drop in seven workouts. So a workout for
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every day of the week. So I am
00:27:45.000 –> 00:27:47.000
really big right now on kettlebells.
00:27:48.000 –> 00:27:50.000
And so forty five usually it’s about forty
00:27:50.000 –> 00:27:52.000
to forty five minutes, each morning.
00:27:52.000 –> 00:27:54.000
And I just go in and they’ve got
00:27:54.000 –> 00:27:55.000
the plan right there. Like, I don’t have
00:27:55.000 –> 00:27:57.000
to leave my house. I’ve I bought, you
00:27:57.000 –> 00:27:58.000
know, have her mini kettle bells.
00:27:59.000 –> 00:28:00.000
My wife’s, like, we we got more. I’m
00:28:00.000 –> 00:28:02.000
like, sorry. I got stronger. I have to
00:28:02.000 –> 00:28:03.000
I have to get some more. How can
00:28:03.000 –> 00:28:04.000
I keep upgrading?
00:28:05.000 –> 00:28:07.000
It’s like, I have, like, every few weeks,
00:28:07.000 –> 00:28:09.000
like, a that another cap? Yeah. It is.
00:28:09.000 –> 00:28:10.000
It is.
00:28:10.000 –> 00:28:12.000
But it’s but I love it. It’s, like,
00:28:12.000 –> 00:28:12.000
it’s really challenging.
00:28:13.000 –> 00:28:14.000
It’s
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notice a difference in my energy and confidence.
00:28:18.000 –> 00:28:20.000
So I I love it. It’s a it’s
00:28:20.000 –> 00:28:22.000
a essentially a coaching platform that keeps you
00:28:22.000 –> 00:28:24.000
again, and I love tracking things.
00:28:24.000 –> 00:28:26.000
I’ve learned that keeps me accountable. So there’s
00:28:26.000 –> 00:28:28.000
a tracker, like, your workouts and all this
00:28:28.000 –> 00:28:29.000
stuff.
00:28:29.000 –> 00:28:31.000
But it’s great. Just that and I can
00:28:31.000 –> 00:28:33.000
do I can add a speaking engagement in
00:28:33.000 –> 00:28:34.000
Dallas a few weeks I load it up,
00:28:34.000 –> 00:28:36.000
and it’s three hour drive. So I just
00:28:36.000 –> 00:28:38.000
drove, took a kettlebell with me in the
00:28:38.000 –> 00:28:39.000
hotel room. You know, I can I can
00:28:39.000 –> 00:28:41.000
do it? And so that’s why I like
00:28:41.000 –> 00:28:43.000
to create systems and things that I can
00:28:43.000 –> 00:28:45.000
do at home or on the road. Yep.
00:28:45.000 –> 00:28:47.000
Love it. Yeah. It’s it’s nice to have
00:28:47.000 –> 00:28:49.000
the apps, and it because for me, I
00:28:49.000 –> 00:28:50.000
don’t know what to do when I get
00:28:50.000 –> 00:28:51.000
into the gym. You know, it’s like, okay.
00:28:51.000 –> 00:28:53.000
Let’s work on this thing. I’m like, well,
00:28:53.000 –> 00:28:55.000
I don’t know what all that actually does.
00:28:55.000 –> 00:28:57.000
So firm myself than just not doing it.
00:28:57.000 –> 00:28:59.000
But so I used the Peloton app, and
00:28:59.000 –> 00:29:01.000
then they’re, you know, rower and tread and
00:29:01.000 –> 00:29:03.000
all that stuff, the bike. And then, and
00:29:03.000 –> 00:29:05.000
then an app called Better Me I just
00:29:05.000 –> 00:29:07.000
found. It’s, same kind of thing. They ask
00:29:07.000 –> 00:29:08.000
you a lot of goals. I’ve seen that.
00:29:08.000 –> 00:29:10.000
Yeah. Yeah. It was one of those that
00:29:10.000 –> 00:29:12.000
shows up on my Instagram feed nonstop, and
00:29:12.000 –> 00:29:14.000
they don’t finally, I’ll tap out and buy
00:29:14.000 –> 00:29:15.000
it for That’s right. That’s right. Yeah. It
00:29:15.000 –> 00:29:17.000
was a hundred dollars. That’s exactly a letter.
00:29:17.000 –> 00:29:19.000
I said no. And the next thing you
00:29:19.000 –> 00:29:20.000
know, then like fifty dollars. And then it
00:29:20.000 –> 00:29:23.000
was twelve dollars for, you know, twelve weeks
00:29:23.000 –> 00:29:25.000
or whatever. I’m like, alright, whatever. Just a
00:29:25.000 –> 00:29:26.000
buy for twelve bucks just to not see
00:29:26.000 –> 00:29:29.000
the damn feature. One. Yeah. That’s right. Exactly
00:29:29.000 –> 00:29:30.000
right. That was exactly the same thing with
00:29:30.000 –> 00:29:32.000
ladder. Like, fine. Yeah.
00:29:32.000 –> 00:29:34.000
I’ll I’ll give in. I did that with
00:29:34.000 –> 00:29:35.000
ladder. I did it with athletic greens. It’s
00:29:35.000 –> 00:29:38.000
like trying to be healthier wasting food stuff
00:29:38.000 –> 00:29:38.000
and,
00:29:39.000 –> 00:29:40.000
with the diet part as well. And it’s
00:29:40.000 –> 00:29:42.000
just, yeah, I’m social media man. Get this
00:29:42.000 –> 00:29:43.000
every time.
00:29:43.000 –> 00:29:45.000
Well, athletic greens is showing up all the
00:29:45.000 –> 00:29:46.000
time too. Do you like it?
00:29:47.000 –> 00:29:49.000
So here’s my take on athletic greens.
00:29:50.000 –> 00:29:51.000
One, it’s good.
00:29:52.000 –> 00:29:54.000
I will just say, for the sake of
00:29:54.000 –> 00:29:56.000
people listening, it just destroyed my stomach
00:29:56.000 –> 00:29:58.000
Okay. I mean, like, I felt like I
00:29:58.000 –> 00:30:00.000
was under threat all the all day every
00:30:00.000 –> 00:30:02.000
day that anything could go wrong at at
00:30:02.000 –> 00:30:03.000
any given point. Yeah.
00:30:04.000 –> 00:30:06.000
And which part that’s of it, like, it’s
00:30:06.000 –> 00:30:07.000
a part of it as a probiotic. And
00:30:07.000 –> 00:30:09.000
so it’s it’s messing with you a little
00:30:09.000 –> 00:30:09.000
bit.
00:30:10.000 –> 00:30:13.000
I went to the head nutritionist at o
00:30:13.000 –> 00:30:15.000
u. Said, hey, I’m taking this. Do you
00:30:15.000 –> 00:30:17.000
is is it good? Do you recommend anything
00:30:17.000 –> 00:30:17.000
else?
00:30:18.000 –> 00:30:20.000
She directed me to something called Heart Greens
00:30:20.000 –> 00:30:22.000
by a company called Human, h u m
00:30:22.000 –> 00:30:23.000
a n n.
00:30:24.000 –> 00:30:26.000
And it’s, like, a third of the price
00:30:26.000 –> 00:30:28.000
about that at greens. Yeah. And it’s great.
00:30:28.000 –> 00:30:29.000
And I’ve had had no issues.
00:30:30.000 –> 00:30:32.000
Yeah, heart greens by human.
00:30:32.000 –> 00:30:34.000
Okay. I’ll write that one down. I gotta
00:30:34.000 –> 00:30:36.000
punch that. Yeah. I do green juice from
00:30:36.000 –> 00:30:38.000
our local grocery store every day. So we’ll
00:30:38.000 –> 00:30:40.000
get the kale and parsley and all that
00:30:40.000 –> 00:30:41.000
stuff. So it’s good for you.
00:30:42.000 –> 00:30:43.000
Yeah. So how do you stay a student
00:30:43.000 –> 00:30:45.000
of the game? And, obviously, you know, people
00:30:45.000 –> 00:30:46.000
are coming to you for advice. So you
00:30:46.000 –> 00:30:48.000
gotta keep learning and keep training and keep
00:30:48.000 –> 00:30:50.000
your mind So how do you personally stay
00:30:50.000 –> 00:30:52.000
a student in the game?
00:30:53.000 –> 00:30:54.000
Try to read and observe as much as
00:30:54.000 –> 00:30:57.000
possible. Like, I’m I’ve had to train myself
00:30:57.000 –> 00:30:59.000
because I used to wonder probably 10:15 years
00:30:59.000 –> 00:31:01.000
ago, and I’d follow other speakers
00:31:01.000 –> 00:31:04.000
or experts or authorities on whatever topic. Like,
00:31:04.000 –> 00:31:05.000
where did they come up with these stories?
00:31:05.000 –> 00:31:07.000
Like, what in the and I just realized
00:31:07.000 –> 00:31:09.000
they’re just paying attention to life. They just
00:31:09.000 –> 00:31:11.000
choose to be observant about whether it’s their
00:31:11.000 –> 00:31:14.000
kid’s basketball game or a road trip,
00:31:14.000 –> 00:31:16.000
or something with their friends or at the
00:31:16.000 –> 00:31:19.000
grocery store. They’re observing human behavior.
00:31:20.000 –> 00:31:21.000
And so I’ve it’s it it was a
00:31:21.000 –> 00:31:23.000
a challenge to me because my my mind
00:31:23.000 –> 00:31:25.000
is usually always in the clouds. Like, it’s
00:31:25.000 –> 00:31:27.000
it’s I’m always thinking of different things, and
00:31:27.000 –> 00:31:29.000
I’m not I’m usually I struggle to be
00:31:29.000 –> 00:31:30.000
wherever I am, right, to be present.
00:31:31.000 –> 00:31:33.000
And so I’ve tried to train myself to
00:31:33.000 –> 00:31:33.000
just be aware
00:31:34.000 –> 00:31:36.000
of what’s happening in the day to day
00:31:36.000 –> 00:31:38.000
moments, which is doing that daily newsletter has
00:31:38.000 –> 00:31:39.000
been a really good.
00:31:40.000 –> 00:31:42.000
It’s forced me to be aware because I’ve
00:31:42.000 –> 00:31:44.000
gotta have a story every day from from
00:31:44.000 –> 00:31:46.000
somewhere, you know. Yep. So I think just
00:31:46.000 –> 00:31:48.000
observing people, trying to be present,
00:31:48.000 –> 00:31:50.000
trying to ask a lot of questions of
00:31:50.000 –> 00:31:52.000
people. And I think I try to follow,
00:31:53.000 –> 00:31:55.000
say the right people, but interesting people on
00:31:55.000 –> 00:31:57.000
social media. So, yeah, I’ve got my sports
00:31:57.000 –> 00:31:59.000
feed, but I also wanna follow leaders from
00:31:59.000 –> 00:32:01.000
a variety of areas
00:32:02.000 –> 00:32:03.000
because that that’s the beauty of me for
00:32:03.000 –> 00:32:04.000
social media. It’s like, I can learn from
00:32:04.000 –> 00:32:06.000
some of the best leaders on the planet
00:32:06.000 –> 00:32:08.000
because they’re sharing their stories, their wisdom for
00:32:08.000 –> 00:32:10.000
free. You know, you’re getting a master class
00:32:10.000 –> 00:32:12.000
from these people. I think trying to trying
00:32:12.000 –> 00:32:13.000
to follow business leaders,
00:32:14.000 –> 00:32:16.000
certain industry leaders on social media, not honestly,
00:32:16.000 –> 00:32:18.000
read the right books, but but read books
00:32:18.000 –> 00:32:19.000
that are,
00:32:20.000 –> 00:32:22.000
that that provide unique perspective.
00:32:22.000 –> 00:32:25.000
Yeah. Who any go to leaders you’d recommend
00:32:25.000 –> 00:32:27.000
following and put out some good content?
00:32:27.000 –> 00:32:29.000
Oh gosh. I knew you were gonna ask
00:32:29.000 –> 00:32:29.000
that.
00:32:30.000 –> 00:32:33.000
I think besides you, of course. Yeah.
00:32:33.000 –> 00:32:36.000
I think Mark Cuban is a fascinating follow.
00:32:37.000 –> 00:32:38.000
On We think we think his deal. What’s
00:32:38.000 –> 00:32:40.000
his next play? So if I’m I’m getting
00:32:40.000 –> 00:32:42.000
off Shark Tank. I’m selling part of the
00:32:42.000 –> 00:32:44.000
was it fifty seven percent of the Mavericks.
00:32:45.000 –> 00:32:47.000
What’s the next play?
00:32:47.000 –> 00:32:49.000
And I I saw where he told someone
00:32:49.000 –> 00:32:52.000
he’s not gonna run for political office,
00:32:52.000 –> 00:32:54.000
but I bet he runs for political office.
00:32:54.000 –> 00:32:56.000
Yeah. That’s I’ve said that too. Or or
00:32:56.000 –> 00:32:59.000
something something in that realm because it just
00:32:59.000 –> 00:33:00.000
doesn’t make sense. I mean,
00:33:01.000 –> 00:33:03.000
you know, guys like that could always start
00:33:03.000 –> 00:33:05.000
any kind of, you know, they could start
00:33:05.000 –> 00:33:06.000
a business tomorrow, do whatever they want. But
00:33:06.000 –> 00:33:08.000
he’s because he’s got that,
00:33:08.000 –> 00:33:10.000
some kind of health care prescription thing that
00:33:10.000 –> 00:33:12.000
he’s doing as well, trying to create low
00:33:12.000 –> 00:33:14.000
cost prescriptions for people.
00:33:15.000 –> 00:33:16.000
But I would I would guess that that
00:33:16.000 –> 00:33:19.000
he’s he’s gonna run for something or get
00:33:19.000 –> 00:33:22.000
involved and in politics in in some way,
00:33:22.000 –> 00:33:23.000
shape, or form. Yeah.
00:33:24.000 –> 00:33:27.000
Yeah. He’s always an interesting one. I love
00:33:27.000 –> 00:33:28.000
following tech entrepreneurs.
00:33:30.000 –> 00:33:31.000
Like, I named David Sachs that I that
00:33:31.000 –> 00:33:32.000
I enjoy following.
00:33:35.000 –> 00:33:37.000
I love I love following journalists. Like, the
00:33:37.000 –> 00:33:40.000
media is just a fascinating industry. For me.
00:33:41.000 –> 00:33:43.000
I shouldn’t say journalists. I should say media
00:33:43.000 –> 00:33:45.000
personalities, like people who comment on the media.
00:33:46.000 –> 00:33:47.000
Maybe they’re a part of it, but they’re
00:33:47.000 –> 00:33:49.000
not just writing journalism pieces, but they like
00:33:49.000 –> 00:33:50.000
to comment on the state of of the
00:33:50.000 –> 00:33:51.000
media.
00:33:51.000 –> 00:33:53.000
I think the world’s just it’s an interesting
00:33:53.000 –> 00:33:54.000
place, you know.
00:33:55.000 –> 00:33:57.000
There’s there’s a lot. And I and I
00:33:57.000 –> 00:33:59.000
try to follow people I don’t agree with.
00:34:00.000 –> 00:34:02.000
And just to get to always have a
00:34:02.000 –> 00:34:04.000
different perspective. I think part of social media
00:34:04.000 –> 00:34:04.000
is they can easily be an echo chamber
00:34:04.000 –> 00:34:04.000
of, people reinforcing what you already
00:34:07.000 –> 00:34:09.000
think. As long as people are respectful,
00:34:10.000 –> 00:34:12.000
I always wanna follow-up with people who have
00:34:12.000 –> 00:34:14.000
a different opinion, different perspective, come at it
00:34:14.000 –> 00:34:15.000
from a different side.
00:34:16.000 –> 00:34:17.000
Now if they’re gonna, you know, scream and
00:34:17.000 –> 00:34:18.000
yell call people names, like, well, that’s not
00:34:18.000 –> 00:34:20.000
necessary. But I like to I like to
00:34:20.000 –> 00:34:22.000
follow people that I don’t necessarily agree with
00:34:22.000 –> 00:34:24.000
as well. You know, get a little get
00:34:24.000 –> 00:34:25.000
a counter intuitive,
00:34:26.000 –> 00:34:27.000
stuff here that we’re we’re one of the
00:34:27.000 –> 00:34:29.000
questions I was gonna ask you is what
00:34:29.000 –> 00:34:32.000
is something that’s counter intuitive to anybody else
00:34:32.000 –> 00:34:34.000
would believe, but you know that it works,
00:34:34.000 –> 00:34:36.000
and you and you believe it to your
00:34:36.000 –> 00:34:37.000
core. Is there anything that comes to mind
00:34:37.000 –> 00:34:38.000
for you?
00:34:41.000 –> 00:34:43.000
That was a great question. How do I
00:34:43.000 –> 00:34:45.000
actually wanna answer that?
00:34:49.000 –> 00:34:51.000
This shouldn’t be an answer to that question,
00:34:51.000 –> 00:34:53.000
but I think in twenty twenty three, twenty
00:34:53.000 –> 00:34:54.000
twenty four, it is, is
00:34:55.000 –> 00:34:56.000
that
00:34:57.000 –> 00:34:58.000
hard work will get you most of what
00:34:58.000 –> 00:34:59.000
you want.
00:34:59.000 –> 00:35:00.000
I’ve
00:35:00.000 –> 00:35:02.000
I think in today’s world, we just think
00:35:02.000 –> 00:35:03.000
things are gonna be handed to us and
00:35:03.000 –> 00:35:05.000
that we can do average work.
00:35:05.000 –> 00:35:08.000
And I give average effort and expect great
00:35:08.000 –> 00:35:11.000
things. And I think if if you want
00:35:11.000 –> 00:35:13.000
more, you actually have to do more. And
00:35:13.000 –> 00:35:13.000
that’s not
00:35:14.000 –> 00:35:16.000
you know, I’m not saying to buy into
00:35:16.000 –> 00:35:17.000
the hustle culture. I’m not saying you gotta
00:35:17.000 –> 00:35:19.000
do seventy, eighty hours a week. That’s, you
00:35:19.000 –> 00:35:21.000
know, that’s a great great way to to
00:35:21.000 –> 00:35:23.000
live a life of burnout. But, you know,
00:35:23.000 –> 00:35:24.000
if you if you think of, you know,
00:35:24.000 –> 00:35:26.000
my fourteen year old
00:35:26.000 –> 00:35:27.000
freshman basketball team,
00:35:28.000 –> 00:35:30.000
like, hey, if if you wanna get better,
00:35:30.000 –> 00:35:32.000
you have to practice when other people don’t.
00:35:33.000 –> 00:35:35.000
You practice every day when the team practices.
00:35:35.000 –> 00:35:37.000
That means you’re getting better at the same
00:35:37.000 –> 00:35:39.000
rate, generally speaking, the same rate of improvement
00:35:39.000 –> 00:35:41.000
as everybody else on the team. Well, if
00:35:41.000 –> 00:35:43.000
this guy is better than you and you’re
00:35:43.000 –> 00:35:45.000
practicing the same amount, he’s always gonna be
00:35:45.000 –> 00:35:46.000
better than you. But what if you came
00:35:46.000 –> 00:35:49.000
home and got in fifteen minutes? Fifteen minutes
00:35:49.000 –> 00:35:49.000
a day.
00:35:50.000 –> 00:35:52.000
Yep. That’s ninety one hours a year. How
00:35:53.000 –> 00:35:54.000
what what kind of difference would that make
00:35:54.000 –> 00:35:56.000
in your skill set? And so the same
00:35:56.000 –> 00:35:57.000
thing for a leader, same thing for an
00:35:57.000 –> 00:35:59.000
entrepreneur, same thing for whatever it may be,
00:35:59.000 –> 00:36:01.000
like, you actually have to do more. I
00:36:01.000 –> 00:36:01.000
think we’ve
00:36:02.000 –> 00:36:05.000
be because that kind of mindset was abused
00:36:05.000 –> 00:36:07.000
for for most of time, like, to to
00:36:07.000 –> 00:36:08.000
to burn people out and force people to
00:36:08.000 –> 00:36:10.000
work forty, fifty, sixty, eighty hour weeks, whatever.
00:36:11.000 –> 00:36:13.000
People push back the pendulum went all the
00:36:13.000 –> 00:36:15.000
way over here. They’re like, no. No. You
00:36:15.000 –> 00:36:16.000
just work thirty hours a week. It’ll be
00:36:16.000 –> 00:36:18.000
okay. Just hope for Like, no, I hope
00:36:18.000 –> 00:36:19.000
it’s a it’s a great fuel, but a
00:36:19.000 –> 00:36:21.000
terrible strategy. You actually have to work your
00:36:21.000 –> 00:36:23.000
tail off. If you if you wanna get
00:36:23.000 –> 00:36:25.000
things, you’ve gotta be willing to sacrifice
00:36:26.000 –> 00:36:28.000
And I think at some times, some seasons,
00:36:28.000 –> 00:36:30.000
that means you’re actually out of balance.
00:36:31.000 –> 00:36:33.000
You don’t want a life that’s out So
00:36:33.000 –> 00:36:34.000
I think for a season, if you wanna
00:36:34.000 –> 00:36:36.000
get to certain areas, you’ve gotta say, you’ve
00:36:36.000 –> 00:36:38.000
gotta shut out not everything, but almost everything,
00:36:38.000 –> 00:36:40.000
say, I’m going all in after this thing.
00:36:40.000 –> 00:36:41.000
And people are gonna say, you’re crazy. And
00:36:41.000 –> 00:36:43.000
then a year later, say, well, Maybe I
00:36:43.000 –> 00:36:45.000
was, but look what I accomplished because of
00:36:45.000 –> 00:36:45.000
that.
00:36:46.000 –> 00:36:47.000
Yeah. I agree, man. It does it goes
00:36:47.000 –> 00:36:49.000
in waves, doesn’t it? It just it’s sometimes
00:36:49.000 –> 00:36:51.000
you’re gonna be working family life more, sometimes
00:36:51.000 –> 00:36:54.000
you’re working at working. So but it’s gotta
00:36:54.000 –> 00:36:56.000
be somewhat balanced if if there is such
00:36:56.000 –> 00:36:56.000
a thing.
00:36:57.000 –> 00:36:59.000
If if I were to ask your team
00:36:59.000 –> 00:36:59.000
right now,
00:37:00.000 –> 00:37:02.000
you know, people that work for you. What
00:37:02.000 –> 00:37:03.000
what would they say
00:37:04.000 –> 00:37:06.000
you do well that helps build culture for
00:37:06.000 –> 00:37:07.000
your company?
00:37:08.000 –> 00:37:09.000
I think energy.
00:37:10.000 –> 00:37:13.000
I I think by nature, I’ve just always
00:37:13.000 –> 00:37:13.000
been,
00:37:15.000 –> 00:37:16.000
I don’t know, but by nature. Like, I’ve
00:37:16.000 –> 00:37:18.000
just always been a positive energy person. I’m
00:37:18.000 –> 00:37:20.000
an optimist. I tend to believe things are
00:37:20.000 –> 00:37:21.000
gonna work out.
00:37:22.000 –> 00:37:23.000
I’m not super serious.
00:37:24.000 –> 00:37:25.000
It’s interesting because I’ve I’ve
00:37:26.000 –> 00:37:28.000
just kinda go a different direction. But,
00:37:28.000 –> 00:37:29.000
you know, when I when I was in
00:37:29.000 –> 00:37:31.000
the corporate world, I was a goofy guy.
00:37:31.000 –> 00:37:33.000
We’d close a deal, and I’d run-in, like,
00:37:33.000 –> 00:37:35.000
fist pumping and yelling and just being goofy.
00:37:35.000 –> 00:37:37.000
Like, I just never took things super super
00:37:37.000 –> 00:37:38.000
serious,
00:37:38.000 –> 00:37:40.000
and we were unbelievably successful. Like, I was
00:37:40.000 –> 00:37:42.000
number two in the company in sales, like,
00:37:42.000 –> 00:37:44.000
and I wasn’t your typical,
00:37:44.000 –> 00:37:47.000
you know, buttoned up, super serious business minded
00:37:47.000 –> 00:37:49.000
salesperson. I just had fun and loved people.
00:37:50.000 –> 00:37:52.000
When I started in business, I don’t know
00:37:52.000 –> 00:37:54.000
if anybody said it to me or if
00:37:54.000 –> 00:37:56.000
I assumed they said it to me or
00:37:56.000 –> 00:37:57.000
if I just took on this belief,
00:37:58.000 –> 00:38:00.000
because people always say, man, you know, Kevin,
00:38:00.000 –> 00:38:02.000
he’s just not super serious, and he’s not
00:38:02.000 –> 00:38:03.000
that organized, and he’s not that into the
00:38:03.000 –> 00:38:04.000
details.
00:38:04.000 –> 00:38:07.000
And I I wore that as people don’t
00:38:07.000 –> 00:38:08.000
think I can be successful. Don’t think I
00:38:08.000 –> 00:38:09.000
can do this on my own. They don’t
00:38:09.000 –> 00:38:11.000
think I can build a business. And so
00:38:11.000 –> 00:38:14.000
I shut down kind of the goofy part
00:38:14.000 –> 00:38:15.000
of me for a long time.
00:38:16.000 –> 00:38:18.000
And that it’s called the quote unquote, unserious
00:38:18.000 –> 00:38:19.000
part of me to the point that people
00:38:20.000 –> 00:38:21.000
we do a lot with personality in our
00:38:21.000 –> 00:38:23.000
businesses. People are like, oh, I don’t actually
00:38:23.000 –> 00:38:24.000
think you are this personality. I’m like, no.
00:38:24.000 –> 00:38:25.000
No. No. I just want. I’ve been under
00:38:25.000 –> 00:38:27.000
stress for a decade trying to build. And
00:38:27.000 –> 00:38:30.000
then, two, I’ve just recently realized I believed
00:38:30.000 –> 00:38:31.000
to lie or whatever,
00:38:31.000 –> 00:38:33.000
a limiting belief that I had to be
00:38:33.000 –> 00:38:35.000
this way to be successful.
00:38:35.000 –> 00:38:36.000
And so I’ve just kinda been coming out
00:38:36.000 –> 00:38:39.000
of that shell again the last year or
00:38:39.000 –> 00:38:39.000
two.
00:38:40.000 –> 00:38:41.000
I’m like, no. No. No. Like, I love
00:38:41.000 –> 00:38:43.000
to have fun. Like, you can have fun.
00:38:43.000 –> 00:38:44.000
You don’t have to be
00:38:45.000 –> 00:38:47.000
serious and and all these things to be
00:38:47.000 –> 00:38:49.000
successful. Like, you can you can have big
00:38:49.000 –> 00:38:51.000
dreams, and you can be goofy, and you
00:38:51.000 –> 00:38:52.000
can make people laugh, and
00:38:53.000 –> 00:38:55.000
You can inject comedy in certain situations, and
00:38:55.000 –> 00:38:56.000
maybe it’s not you don’t always need to
00:38:56.000 –> 00:38:58.000
inject. Like, there’s a time to be serious,
00:38:58.000 –> 00:38:58.000
but,
00:38:59.000 –> 00:39:01.000
I think people just say, like, generally, I
00:39:01.000 –> 00:39:02.000
bring I bring fun.
00:39:02.000 –> 00:39:04.000
Yeah. So that was one of my biggest
00:39:04.000 –> 00:39:06.000
learnings when I looked back at my career,
00:39:06.000 –> 00:39:08.000
you know, twenty two years in the wealth
00:39:08.000 –> 00:39:10.000
management space. And so
00:39:11.000 –> 00:39:13.000
when I was this young the young Brett
00:39:13.000 –> 00:39:14.000
would go take some of the older guys
00:39:14.000 –> 00:39:16.000
with him to meetings to try to learn.
00:39:16.000 –> 00:39:17.000
Right? And then I would just I thought
00:39:17.000 –> 00:39:19.000
I had to live in this just like
00:39:19.000 –> 00:39:21.000
what you were just saying. And and as
00:39:21.000 –> 00:39:23.000
soon as I found out or I guess
00:39:23.000 –> 00:39:24.000
I shouldn’t say found out. As soon as
00:39:24.000 –> 00:39:26.000
I believed that I could be Brett and
00:39:26.000 –> 00:39:28.000
to your point, have fun and and laugh
00:39:28.000 –> 00:39:29.000
a lot at work. It hadn’t been that’d
00:39:29.000 –> 00:39:30.000
be so damn serious.
00:39:31.000 –> 00:39:32.000
It’s an amazing. That’s when I started to
00:39:32.000 –> 00:39:34.000
find myself becoming more and more successful.
00:39:35.000 –> 00:39:37.000
Yeah. You well, you you find yourself being
00:39:37.000 –> 00:39:39.000
more successful Gilliland then you actually have fun
00:39:39.000 –> 00:39:41.000
being successful. Right?
00:39:41.000 –> 00:39:42.000
Wait a hell of a lot more. Like,
00:39:42.000 –> 00:39:43.000
because you can have six you can have
00:39:43.000 –> 00:39:45.000
success the other way or or a limited
00:39:45.000 –> 00:39:47.000
version of success, but you’re miserable all the
00:39:47.000 –> 00:39:48.000
time because you’re always feel like you’re trying
00:39:48.000 –> 00:39:49.000
to be someone you’re not. I was like,
00:39:49.000 –> 00:39:50.000
wait a minute. No. I can be me.
00:39:50.000 –> 00:39:52.000
And succeed. I don’t need to beat the
00:39:52.000 –> 00:39:53.000
and I, you know, again, we talk a
00:39:53.000 –> 00:39:55.000
lot about personality. Like, we’ve got kind of
00:39:55.000 –> 00:39:57.000
a right hand and left hand. I’m typically
00:39:57.000 –> 00:39:59.000
this part, you know, goofy, loud, fun, whatever.
00:40:00.000 –> 00:40:01.000
But there’s a part of me that can
00:40:01.000 –> 00:40:03.000
be serious that can be locked in that
00:40:03.000 –> 00:40:05.000
can be quote unquote professional, whatever that means.
00:40:05.000 –> 00:40:07.000
But for me to live there means I
00:40:07.000 –> 00:40:10.000
lose who I act actually am. And so
00:40:10.000 –> 00:40:12.000
trying to find that balance of, like, okay.
00:40:12.000 –> 00:40:13.000
When can I be me and when do
00:40:13.000 –> 00:40:15.000
I not need to be me? And how
00:40:15.000 –> 00:40:16.000
do I make that operate so that that
00:40:16.000 –> 00:40:20.000
everyone around me actually wins. Yep. Yep. So
00:40:20.000 –> 00:40:21.000
you can see this sticker right here, this
00:40:21.000 –> 00:40:23.000
f greater than p. I do. Yeah. Yeah.
00:40:24.000 –> 00:40:26.000
Our our mission is helping people achieve a
00:40:26.000 –> 00:40:28.000
future great in your past. And so it
00:40:28.000 –> 00:40:30.000
doesn’t mean that, you know, you had a
00:40:30.000 –> 00:40:31.000
bad past.
00:40:31.000 –> 00:40:33.000
But when you hear that, achieving a future
00:40:33.000 –> 00:40:35.000
greater than your past, what comes to mind
00:40:35.000 –> 00:40:36.000
for you?
00:40:38.000 –> 00:40:39.000
Oh, man. Well, I love it because I
00:40:39.000 –> 00:40:41.000
was actually wondering, like, I haven’t seen that
00:40:41.000 –> 00:40:43.000
on any of email, like, the soft company.
00:40:43.000 –> 00:40:45.000
I’m like, okay.
00:40:45.000 –> 00:40:47.000
Some so I am glad you brought that
00:40:47.000 –> 00:40:48.000
up because that’s good because that’s actually bothered
00:40:48.000 –> 00:40:49.000
me for a long time.
00:40:50.000 –> 00:40:52.000
No. That’s that’s good. Future greater than your
00:40:52.000 –> 00:40:53.000
past.
00:40:53.000 –> 00:40:56.000
I think for me that speaks hope to
00:40:56.000 –> 00:40:57.000
Gilliland
00:40:57.000 –> 00:40:59.000
I said earlier, right, hope is is is
00:40:59.000 –> 00:41:01.000
not a strategy, but it is great fuel.
00:41:02.000 –> 00:41:04.000
And I think if people are fueled by
00:41:04.000 –> 00:41:06.000
hope that it like you said, Does today
00:41:06.000 –> 00:41:08.000
could be good, but tomorrow could be even
00:41:08.000 –> 00:41:10.000
better. Mhmm. Doesn’t mean you have to have
00:41:10.000 –> 00:41:11.000
a terrible pass that you’re going through some
00:41:11.000 –> 00:41:14.000
stuff today, like, maybe you are. It certainly
00:41:14.000 –> 00:41:15.000
helps in those seasons. Right? If if things
00:41:15.000 –> 00:41:17.000
are difficult, like, hey, things can be better
00:41:17.000 –> 00:41:19.000
tomorrow. Whatever today is, things can be better
00:41:19.000 –> 00:41:19.000
tomorrow.
00:41:20.000 –> 00:41:22.000
But I think whatever season are in good
00:41:22.000 –> 00:41:23.000
season, tough season,
00:41:24.000 –> 00:41:27.000
seasons of, of abundance seasons where things are
00:41:27.000 –> 00:41:29.000
a little bit scarce. It’s like, hey, whatever
00:41:29.000 –> 00:41:30.000
season
00:41:30.000 –> 00:41:32.000
your future can is actually unlimited if you
00:41:32.000 –> 00:41:35.000
wanna create it. And and not in, you
00:41:35.000 –> 00:41:36.000
know, necessarily materialistic
00:41:36.000 –> 00:41:38.000
type sense, but, like, you can have a
00:41:38.000 –> 00:41:40.000
better tomorrow if you actually want to. And
00:41:40.000 –> 00:41:41.000
I think most people,
00:41:42.000 –> 00:41:44.000
I think most people have lost that. I
00:41:44.000 –> 00:41:47.000
don’t think people believe generally speaking anymore.
00:41:47.000 –> 00:41:49.000
They don’t believe that tomorrow can be better
00:41:49.000 –> 00:41:51.000
than today. I think people are stuck, and
00:41:51.000 –> 00:41:53.000
they feel like they’re always going to be
00:41:53.000 –> 00:41:55.000
stuck. Yeah. And they just get on this
00:41:55.000 –> 00:41:57.000
hamster wheel frustration and say, I don’t know.
00:41:57.000 –> 00:42:00.000
When you actually have so we have this
00:42:00.000 –> 00:42:01.000
to was this tool we use. We didn’t
00:42:01.000 –> 00:42:03.000
create it, but it’s called the the the
00:42:03.000 –> 00:42:03.000
change equation.
00:42:04.000 –> 00:42:05.000
And part of it is saying,
00:42:06.000 –> 00:42:08.000
you know, where what where’s your dissatisfaction
00:42:09.000 –> 00:42:11.000
in life? What are you dissatisfied with? Could
00:42:11.000 –> 00:42:12.000
be your finances, could be your family, could
00:42:12.000 –> 00:42:14.000
be your career, could be your health,
00:42:15.000 –> 00:42:16.000
could be relationships,
00:42:16.000 –> 00:42:18.000
could be a number of things. And and
00:42:18.000 –> 00:42:20.000
how dissatisfied are you, like, one to ten
00:42:20.000 –> 00:42:21.000
it’s like a one or a two, it’s
00:42:21.000 –> 00:42:24.000
like, okay. You’re not dissatisfied. You’re annoyed. You
00:42:24.000 –> 00:42:25.000
know, just get it stop complaining and move
00:42:25.000 –> 00:42:27.000
on. It’s an eight or a nine. It’s
00:42:27.000 –> 00:42:29.000
like, okay. We gotta do some surgery. Like,
00:42:29.000 –> 00:42:31.000
there’s some there’s some actual pain. So if
00:42:31.000 –> 00:42:34.000
you’re dissatisfaction, let’s say let’s say finances or
00:42:34.000 –> 00:42:35.000
your health, you’re an eight,
00:42:36.000 –> 00:42:38.000
What’s your vision? What’s your specific vision for
00:42:38.000 –> 00:42:38.000
that area? For for finances, your health, relationship,
00:42:38.000 –> 00:42:38.000
career? Most people, when when your vision is
00:42:38.000 –> 00:42:39.000
lower than
00:42:45.000 –> 00:42:46.000
your satisfaction,
00:42:47.000 –> 00:42:49.000
you get frustration, you get bitterness, you get
00:42:49.000 –> 00:42:51.000
discontent, you get anxiety, and that’s where most
00:42:51.000 –> 00:42:53.000
people are. You look around. Most people are
00:42:53.000 –> 00:42:54.000
are dissatisfied
00:42:54.000 –> 00:42:56.000
but they don’t have a vision of what
00:42:56.000 –> 00:42:58.000
could be. And so they’re stuck. Well, when
00:42:58.000 –> 00:43:00.000
your vision is higher than your dissatisfaction, well,
00:43:00.000 –> 00:43:02.000
then you have ambition, you have motivation,
00:43:03.000 –> 00:43:04.000
it’s saying like, hey, I’m at base camp
00:43:04.000 –> 00:43:06.000
at Mount Everest. I’m trying to get to
00:43:06.000 –> 00:43:07.000
the top. I’m not there yet,
00:43:08.000 –> 00:43:09.000
but I at least know where I’m going.
00:43:09.000 –> 00:43:11.000
And so you wake up every day with
00:43:11.000 –> 00:43:13.000
a direction that you wanna Gilliland
00:43:13.000 –> 00:43:15.000
so that that’s what I hear, what I
00:43:15.000 –> 00:43:16.000
see, when I see see future over your
00:43:16.000 –> 00:43:17.000
past, like,
00:43:17.000 –> 00:43:19.000
yeah, you’ve gotta have a Gilliland and a
00:43:19.000 –> 00:43:21.000
vision and a hope. And when you have
00:43:21.000 –> 00:43:23.000
that, anything’s possible. Yep. And I love that
00:43:23.000 –> 00:43:25.000
because it makes me think when we started
00:43:25.000 –> 00:43:28.000
our firm visionary wealth advisors that that so
00:43:28.000 –> 00:43:31.000
it’ll be ten years, in March. And
00:43:32.000 –> 00:43:35.000
that previous spot, as I was becoming more
00:43:35.000 –> 00:43:36.000
successful,
00:43:36.000 –> 00:43:38.000
right? Mhmm. My job satisfaction
00:43:38.000 –> 00:43:41.000
was going down. And Yeah. And then but
00:43:41.000 –> 00:43:43.000
we made this change to your point.
00:43:43.000 –> 00:43:46.000
Is it the Gilliland division was greater, right,
00:43:46.000 –> 00:43:47.000
than where we And so,
00:43:48.000 –> 00:43:50.000
it did. It fueled fire. It fueled energy.
00:43:50.000 –> 00:43:53.000
It fueled passion. But also, for me, personally,
00:43:53.000 –> 00:43:55.000
it it is basically
00:43:55.000 –> 00:43:58.000
you know, minimized to almost hardly anything, my
00:43:58.000 –> 00:44:00.000
anxiety, and my stress, and and Right. And
00:44:00.000 –> 00:44:02.000
so that happiness. And so it doesn’t ever
00:44:02.000 –> 00:44:04.000
mean it’s the right time because it wasn’t
00:44:04.000 –> 00:44:06.000
time. We were my wife was pregnant with
00:44:06.000 –> 00:44:09.000
our fourth child, built a new home. And
00:44:09.000 –> 00:44:10.000
so people have to
00:44:10.000 –> 00:44:13.000
think about those things, but take risks sometimes.
00:44:13.000 –> 00:44:14.000
Man, and you gotta bet on yourself, and
00:44:14.000 –> 00:44:16.000
you gotta go do it. So so I’m
00:44:16.000 –> 00:44:18.000
curious. I I’ve never done this before, but
00:44:18.000 –> 00:44:19.000
I’m gonna start doing this. I think I
00:44:19.000 –> 00:44:21.000
had this, pop in my mind. So the
00:44:21.000 –> 00:44:23.000
circuit of success, hence the podcast you’re on
00:44:23.000 –> 00:44:25.000
here. Yeah. The circuits of success are attitude,
00:44:26.000 –> 00:44:26.000
your beliefs,
00:44:27.000 –> 00:44:28.000
action,
00:44:28.000 –> 00:44:31.000
results. Right? So your attitude, your belief system,
00:44:31.000 –> 00:44:33.000
the action take, get your results. So when
00:44:33.000 –> 00:44:35.000
you hear those four, which one of those
00:44:35.000 –> 00:44:37.000
does dive deep into one of? Which word
00:44:37.000 –> 00:44:39.000
do you like? Attitude, beliefs, action, results?
00:44:40.000 –> 00:44:43.000
I think belief for me is the most
00:44:43.000 –> 00:44:44.000
powerful force in the world.
00:44:45.000 –> 00:44:47.000
You know, like that one for me trumps
00:44:47.000 –> 00:44:49.000
all of it.
00:44:49.000 –> 00:44:51.000
Meaning if if
00:44:52.000 –> 00:44:54.000
So you started the company because you believed
00:44:54.000 –> 00:44:56.000
success was possible. Mhmm. If you didn’t believe
00:44:56.000 –> 00:44:58.000
in it, you wouldn’t have done it. And
00:44:58.000 –> 00:44:59.000
that doesn’t mean you believed in it every
00:44:59.000 –> 00:45:01.000
single day. Right? We’re we’re human. We we
00:45:01.000 –> 00:45:03.000
have those moments of doubt and fear.
00:45:04.000 –> 00:45:07.000
But, like, the the car you drive that
00:45:07.000 –> 00:45:10.000
car exists because somebody believed it was possible.
00:45:10.000 –> 00:45:12.000
That car manufacturer exists because somebody thought I’m
00:45:12.000 –> 00:45:15.000
gonna I’m gonna create this. And the the
00:45:15.000 –> 00:45:17.000
school you went to, the town you’re from,
00:45:17.000 –> 00:45:19.000
All these things exist because somebody believed in
00:45:19.000 –> 00:45:21.000
it enough to take action. There may have
00:45:21.000 –> 00:45:23.000
been been several. It may have been hundreds
00:45:23.000 –> 00:45:24.000
of people who believed.
00:45:24.000 –> 00:45:25.000
I think it’s possible.
00:45:25.000 –> 00:45:27.000
But doubt eventually went out, and they didn’t
00:45:27.000 –> 00:45:29.000
figure out a way to create a university,
00:45:29.000 –> 00:45:31.000
to create a business, to create a car,
00:45:31.000 –> 00:45:33.000
to create a clothing brand, whatever it may
00:45:33.000 –> 00:45:33.000
be.
00:45:34.000 –> 00:45:36.000
Everything around us is created because somebody believed
00:45:36.000 –> 00:45:39.000
in it enough to actually take action on
00:45:39.000 –> 00:45:40.000
on those beliefs.
00:45:41.000 –> 00:45:43.000
And so I would say belief belief drives
00:45:43.000 –> 00:45:43.000
behavior.
00:45:44.000 –> 00:45:46.000
And belief will look for a way forward
00:45:46.000 –> 00:45:48.000
where doubt will look for a way out.
00:45:48.000 –> 00:45:50.000
And I think most people in life, right,
00:45:50.000 –> 00:45:52.000
we get on this path, early on, we
00:45:52.000 –> 00:45:54.000
believe our belief is high. Starting business, whatever
00:45:54.000 –> 00:45:55.000
it is. Like, man, this can be awesome.
00:45:55.000 –> 00:45:56.000
We can do it because we have no
00:45:56.000 –> 00:45:58.000
clue what that road’s gonna look like. We
00:45:58.000 –> 00:45:59.000
just think, like, Sarah, we think success is
00:45:59.000 –> 00:46:02.000
gonna go this way. We don’t anticipate all
00:46:02.000 –> 00:46:04.000
this this roundabout and chaos in in the
00:46:04.000 –> 00:46:05.000
middle of it.
00:46:05.000 –> 00:46:07.000
But for the people who who in the
00:46:07.000 –> 00:46:09.000
midst of that standard, I still I still
00:46:09.000 –> 00:46:10.000
believe in this thing that chose to run
00:46:10.000 –> 00:46:12.000
after. I still believe it’s possible. For me,
00:46:12.000 –> 00:46:13.000
it’s like
00:46:13.000 –> 00:46:15.000
going down, the highway,
00:46:16.000 –> 00:46:18.000
and there’s all these off ramps it’s gonna
00:46:18.000 –> 00:46:20.000
be hard, you might fail. They’re gonna laugh
00:46:20.000 –> 00:46:22.000
at you. You’re gonna lose everything. Like, whatever
00:46:22.000 –> 00:46:24.000
all the excuses the fears are, and if
00:46:24.000 –> 00:46:27.000
you if doubt is greater, as soon as
00:46:27.000 –> 00:46:28.000
you face a little bit of adversity,
00:46:29.000 –> 00:46:31.000
doubts, like, you’re right. I might fail. See
00:46:31.000 –> 00:46:33.000
you. I’m out. I’m gonna quit before I
00:46:33.000 –> 00:46:35.000
fail. And most people, they just they they
00:46:35.000 –> 00:46:37.000
have a life it’s almost like they’re just
00:46:37.000 –> 00:46:38.000
driving in a circle. Right? They get on
00:46:38.000 –> 00:46:40.000
be on the highway. Like, I believe it’s
00:46:40.000 –> 00:46:41.000
gonna be great.
00:46:41.000 –> 00:46:43.000
It gets hard. Oh, my might fail, and
00:46:43.000 –> 00:46:45.000
they get off. In the circle right back
00:46:45.000 –> 00:46:46.000
around and get on the next path. Oh,
00:46:46.000 –> 00:46:48.000
this is gonna be great. This is the
00:46:48.000 –> 00:46:49.000
one. It gets hard, and they take the
00:46:49.000 –> 00:46:51.000
next off ramp, and they just keep circling
00:46:51.000 –> 00:46:51.000
around.
00:46:52.000 –> 00:46:54.000
There’s people who believe, like, might be hard.
00:46:54.000 –> 00:46:56.000
That’s okay. I might fail. That’s okay. They
00:46:56.000 –> 00:46:58.000
might laugh at me. That’s okay. Because that
00:46:58.000 –> 00:47:00.000
belief is greater than their doubt, and, like,
00:47:00.000 –> 00:47:02.000
I’m gonna go figure out what’s possible. You
00:47:02.000 –> 00:47:03.000
know, and so I for me, I just
00:47:03.000 –> 00:47:06.000
think belief is such a powerful force. Yeah.
00:47:06.000 –> 00:47:08.000
Amen into that. So my final question on
00:47:08.000 –> 00:47:11.000
that, and, would be then belief in self,
00:47:11.000 –> 00:47:12.000
you know, I believe in a higher powers.
00:47:12.000 –> 00:47:14.000
Well, I believe in god. I believe in
00:47:14.000 –> 00:47:16.000
self. I believe in goal management or goal
00:47:16.000 –> 00:47:16.000
planning.
00:47:17.000 –> 00:47:19.000
Mhmm. Go achievement. All these things. Right? But
00:47:19.000 –> 00:47:20.000
The belief in yourself,
00:47:21.000 –> 00:47:23.000
how what would you recommend for people right
00:47:23.000 –> 00:47:25.000
now is to continue to grow that as
00:47:25.000 –> 00:47:25.000
much as possible. And there’s a fine line
00:47:25.000 –> 00:47:25.000
between arrogance
00:47:28.000 –> 00:47:30.000
and right? So how do we grow,
00:47:30.000 –> 00:47:31.000
in our belief in ourself?
00:47:33.000 –> 00:47:35.000
I think two things coming to mind. One,
00:47:35.000 –> 00:47:37.000
and then I know this gonna sound cheesy.
00:47:37.000 –> 00:47:40.000
So apologies to anyone listening, but cheesy works.
00:47:40.000 –> 00:47:42.000
One, I think, like, self affirmations.
00:47:43.000 –> 00:47:45.000
Like, I think think of the doubts that
00:47:45.000 –> 00:47:47.000
come in your mind. Like, write them down.
00:47:47.000 –> 00:47:48.000
I’m not good enough. I don’t have what
00:47:48.000 –> 00:47:49.000
it takes.
00:47:49.000 –> 00:47:52.000
People don’t believe in me. Whatever. All these
00:47:52.000 –> 00:47:53.000
lies that fill our brain
00:47:54.000 –> 00:47:56.000
that keep us from taking action. If you
00:47:56.000 –> 00:47:57.000
would write them down and write a truth
00:47:57.000 –> 00:48:00.000
next to it, like and or even write
00:48:00.000 –> 00:48:02.000
another column, of, like, who said that? Oh,
00:48:02.000 –> 00:48:03.000
nobody.
00:48:04.000 –> 00:48:06.000
Nobody said I would not get enough. Nobody
00:48:06.000 –> 00:48:07.000
said I can’t do it. Like, now maybe
00:48:07.000 –> 00:48:08.000
someone actually in your life, you know, you
00:48:08.000 –> 00:48:11.000
had some some jerk who put some negativity
00:48:11.000 –> 00:48:13.000
in in your mind, like Right. Most of
00:48:13.000 –> 00:48:14.000
the time, the person is us.
00:48:15.000 –> 00:48:18.000
And it’s like, oh, Well, okay. I’m the
00:48:18.000 –> 00:48:19.000
only person who said that, which means it’s
00:48:19.000 –> 00:48:21.000
not true. Well, what’s the truth of that?
00:48:21.000 –> 00:48:22.000
I am good enough. I do have what
00:48:22.000 –> 00:48:23.000
it takes.
00:48:23.000 –> 00:48:25.000
Whatever it may be, and so to to
00:48:25.000 –> 00:48:25.000
counter
00:48:26.000 –> 00:48:29.000
the lies with truth, and and that’s why
00:48:29.000 –> 00:48:30.000
I love, like, the power of belief in
00:48:30.000 –> 00:48:32.000
the brain. I’ve I’ve become just obsessed with
00:48:32.000 –> 00:48:34.000
the mind over the last, like, two years,
00:48:34.000 –> 00:48:35.000
three years,
00:48:35.000 –> 00:48:38.000
What what happens when you have a negative
00:48:38.000 –> 00:48:40.000
thought, it does actual brain damage.
00:48:41.000 –> 00:48:43.000
And so it weakens your brain. It weakens
00:48:43.000 –> 00:48:45.000
your brain’s ability to be innovative, to be
00:48:45.000 –> 00:48:47.000
creative, to be confident, to be focused, to
00:48:47.000 –> 00:48:50.000
be clear, to be calm. And so negativity
00:48:50.000 –> 00:48:52.000
does brain damage, which means you’re more likely
00:48:52.000 –> 00:48:54.000
to have more negative thoughts and does more
00:48:54.000 –> 00:48:55.000
brain damage. So,
00:48:56.000 –> 00:48:56.000
and when you have a positive thought, it
00:48:56.000 –> 00:48:57.000
it it strengthens your brain.
00:48:59.000 –> 00:49:02.000
Right? Positive thoughts re regenerate. They rebuild your
00:49:02.000 –> 00:49:04.000
brain to make you more confident, more clear,
00:49:04.000 –> 00:49:05.000
more creative, more innovative, more
00:49:07.000 –> 00:49:07.000
focused
00:49:07.000 –> 00:49:09.000
And so this idea of positive versus negative
00:49:09.000 –> 00:49:12.000
thinking, like, it’s actually changing. Your brain is
00:49:12.000 –> 00:49:12.000
not a,
00:49:13.000 –> 00:49:15.000
it’s not a a static thing. Right? It’s
00:49:15.000 –> 00:49:17.000
not fixed. It changes, and every thought is
00:49:17.000 –> 00:49:19.000
changing it. Your brain is it’s crazy. It’s
00:49:19.000 –> 00:49:21.000
like your our brain is
00:49:21.000 –> 00:49:23.000
a it it’s Gilliland.
00:49:23.000 –> 00:49:26.000
And fascinating, but it’s also very stupid. Your
00:49:26.000 –> 00:49:28.000
brain will believe whatever you tell it. Dings
00:49:28.000 –> 00:49:29.000
fast. That’s right.
00:49:30.000 –> 00:49:31.000
I think one, and you get to choose
00:49:31.000 –> 00:49:33.000
what you tell it. And so the more
00:49:33.000 –> 00:49:34.000
you practice, like and and so part of
00:49:34.000 –> 00:49:35.000
my morning routine,
00:49:36.000 –> 00:49:37.000
I’ve got mind body and soul. So I’ve
00:49:37.000 –> 00:49:39.000
got the the faith deal. I’ve got the
00:49:39.000 –> 00:49:40.000
workout.
00:49:40.000 –> 00:49:42.000
And then every day I write down ten
00:49:42.000 –> 00:49:43.000
things that I’m grateful for.
00:49:44.000 –> 00:49:45.000
And I started doing that during COVID when
00:49:45.000 –> 00:49:47.000
anxiety started to kick in a little bit.
00:49:48.000 –> 00:49:49.000
So I think number one is just some
00:49:49.000 –> 00:49:50.000
form of affirmations.
00:49:51.000 –> 00:49:53.000
You could even call these I’m statements. I
00:49:53.000 –> 00:49:54.000
I have a friend who she she works
00:49:54.000 –> 00:49:56.000
with the Air Force doing leadership training, and
00:49:56.000 –> 00:49:58.000
she was real nervous and insecure about it.
00:49:58.000 –> 00:50:00.000
She was real, like, sweet, quiet. So the
00:50:00.000 –> 00:50:01.000
moment, she’s like, what do I have to
00:50:01.000 –> 00:50:02.000
offer? She’s powerhouse.
00:50:03.000 –> 00:50:04.000
And so she put in her in her
00:50:04.000 –> 00:50:06.000
bone, like, every three hours, I’m confident.
00:50:07.000 –> 00:50:09.000
I’m a great leader. I have what it
00:50:09.000 –> 00:50:09.000
takes.
00:50:10.000 –> 00:50:12.000
And so it was just these reminders to
00:50:12.000 –> 00:50:13.000
her. And it started to reshape her brain
00:50:13.000 –> 00:50:15.000
to where she started to believe those things,
00:50:15.000 –> 00:50:17.000
then live those things. So number one, I
00:50:17.000 –> 00:50:19.000
think some form of self talk
00:50:19.000 –> 00:50:21.000
is really important. And I think number two
00:50:21.000 –> 00:50:24.000
is go go stack as many small successes
00:50:24.000 –> 00:50:26.000
as you possibly can. That could be going
00:50:26.000 –> 00:50:27.000
on a ten minute walk. That can be
00:50:27.000 –> 00:50:28.000
a success.
00:50:29.000 –> 00:50:31.000
It could be, what, like, having a difficult
00:50:31.000 –> 00:50:33.000
conversation. But but that builds confidence when you
00:50:33.000 –> 00:50:35.000
when you, you know, the other thing your
00:50:35.000 –> 00:50:37.000
brain does, If you have a hard task
00:50:37.000 –> 00:50:38.000
in front of you and you quit,
00:50:40.000 –> 00:50:42.000
it’s like railroad tracks are being laid in
00:50:42.000 –> 00:50:44.000
your brain. And when you quit, there’s a
00:50:44.000 –> 00:50:46.000
gap. The railroad tracks don’t finish.
00:50:46.000 –> 00:50:48.000
And so the next time you’re in a
00:50:48.000 –> 00:50:50.000
difficult situation, your brain doesn’t know how to
00:50:50.000 –> 00:50:51.000
finish the hard task. It’s like all it
00:50:51.000 –> 00:50:53.000
knows what to do is is to quit
00:50:54.000 –> 00:50:56.000
When you complete it, it it’s like it
00:50:56.000 –> 00:50:58.000
lays that railroad track and it finishes it.
00:50:58.000 –> 00:50:59.000
It completes the track. And so the next
00:50:59.000 –> 00:51:01.000
time you’re in a hard situation, your brain’s
00:51:01.000 –> 00:51:02.000
like, oh, I know what to do here.
00:51:02.000 –> 00:51:03.000
I know how to finish. I know how
00:51:03.000 –> 00:51:05.000
to do hard things, which is part of
00:51:05.000 –> 00:51:07.000
why, like, just the value of working out
00:51:07.000 –> 00:51:10.000
every day. It’s hard. It’s not fun. Most
00:51:10.000 –> 00:51:11.000
days I don’t wanna finish it. Like, this
00:51:11.000 –> 00:51:13.000
is killing me. I wanna Oh, I’m like,
00:51:13.000 –> 00:51:14.000
I’ve got five more minutes. I can do
00:51:14.000 –> 00:51:16.000
anything for five more minutes, whatever it is.
00:51:16.000 –> 00:51:18.000
But part of part of me doing that
00:51:18.000 –> 00:51:19.000
one is my own just physical health, but
00:51:19.000 –> 00:51:21.000
two training your brain to to deal with
00:51:21.000 –> 00:51:23.000
adversity to do hard things. And so those
00:51:23.000 –> 00:51:25.000
things build confidence when you need confidence.
00:51:26.000 –> 00:51:28.000
Yeah. So strong. I I think about that
00:51:28.000 –> 00:51:30.000
made me think about what I call comfort
00:51:30.000 –> 00:51:32.000
zone callus. Right? Your comfort zone is so
00:51:32.000 –> 00:51:34.000
small when we start out. Right? But then
00:51:34.000 –> 00:51:35.000
if you do something,
00:51:35.000 –> 00:51:37.000
it gets it just keeps getting a little
00:51:37.000 –> 00:51:39.000
bit bigger. Right? So then your hand, if
00:51:39.000 –> 00:51:40.000
it’s if you have a callus from, you
00:51:40.000 –> 00:51:41.000
know, work or whatever it may be, you
00:51:41.000 –> 00:51:43.000
just you gotta go around the callus, right,
00:51:43.000 –> 00:51:45.000
and figure out a way out to get
00:51:45.000 –> 00:51:47.000
out of your comfort zone. So well, Kevin,
00:51:47.000 –> 00:51:48.000
this has been awesome. And where do our
00:51:48.000 –> 00:51:51.000
listeners find more of, Kevin DeShazo?
00:51:52.000 –> 00:51:54.000
Yeah. So I’m on every social media platform,
00:51:54.000 –> 00:51:56.000
just at Kevin DeShazo,
00:51:56.000 –> 00:51:58.000
Twitter or X and and Instagram, probably the
00:51:58.000 –> 00:52:01.000
two that I’m most active on, LinkedIn fairly
00:52:01.000 –> 00:52:01.000
active as well.
00:52:02.000 –> 00:52:04.000
You’re welcome to just go to the website.
00:52:04.000 –> 00:52:05.000
DeShazo dot me.
00:52:06.000 –> 00:52:07.000
If you’re in sports,
00:52:07.000 –> 00:52:10.000
our sports leadership company is be better leaders
00:52:10.000 –> 00:52:12.000
dot com. So those are those are the
00:52:12.000 –> 00:52:13.000
easiest places to find me. It’s so great
00:52:13.000 –> 00:52:14.000
to have you on the circuit success, man.
00:52:14.000 –> 00:52:16.000
Appreciate your time. Absolutely. I honor to be
00:52:16.000 –> 00:52:17.000
with you.
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