Simon and Max Allen talk about his new book Intoxicating: Ten drinks that shaped Australia. Max discovered that cider gum trees have provided indigenous people with a cider like drink called Way-a-linah for hundreds of years. We also chat about the origins of Australia's brewing industry and the legendary Victoria Bitter.

Its a great chat and a really interesting book. Get one!

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