In a recent episode of MC Fireside Chats, the transformative journeys within the glamping universe took center stage. Sponsored by Horizon Outdoor Hospitality, the episode began with a fresh introduction, showcasing the show's commitment to bringing weekly conversations with thought leaders, entrepreneurs, and outdoor hospitality experts. Brian Searl expressed his enthusiasm for the new introduction, highlighting the show's evolution and its dedication to keeping content fresh and engaging for its audience.

The distinguished panel for the episode comprised industry experts and enthusiasts. Zach Stoltenberg, from Clockwork; and Connor Schwab, VP at Sage Outdoor Advisory, all shared their insights and experiences.

Special attention was given to the unique stories of the episode's special guests. Chris Jeub, the owner of Monument Glamping, delved into his inspiring transition from an educator to a glamping site owner. His journey showcased the diverse paths individuals take to enter the world of glamping and the passion that drives them.

Vidar Velle, the visionary founder of Nordic Glamping based in the UK, was another highlight of the show. Vidar discussed the intricacies of setting up glamping structures, emphasizing the blend of luxury and nature. He also shared enthralling tales of glamping amidst the wilderness, painting a vivid picture of the experiences guests can expect.

Recurring guests, Zach from Clockwork and Connor Schwab from Sage Outdoor Hospitality, also shared updates on their projects and the latest trends in the glamping industry. Their insights provided a comprehensive look into the current state of the industry and its future trajectory.

The episode was not just an exploration of glamping but also a testament to the growth and potential of the outdoor hospitality industry. With a mix of expert opinions, personal journeys, and industry insights, MC Fireside Chats continues to be a beacon for those interested in outdoor hospitality.

In conclusion the episode offered a deep dive into the world of glamping. From personal journeys to industry trends, the episode provided a holistic view of the glamping universe, making it a must-watch for enthusiasts and professionals alike.

In a recent episode of MC Fireside Chats, the transformative journeys within the glamping universe took center stage. Sponsored by Horizon Outdoor Hospitality, the episode began with a fresh introduction, showcasing the show's commitment to bringing weekly conversations with thought leaders, entrepreneurs, and outdoor hospitality experts. Brian Searl expressed his enthusiasm for the new introduction, highlighting the show's evolution and its dedication to keeping content fresh and engaging for its audience.

The distinguished panel for the episode comprised industry experts and enthusiasts. Zach Stoltenberg, from Clockwork; and Connor Schwab, VP at Sage Outdoor Advisory, all shared their insights and experiences.

Special attention was given to the unique stories of the episode's special guests. Chris Jeub, the owner of Monument Glamping, delved into his inspiring transition from an educator to a glamping site owner. His journey showcased the diverse paths individuals take to enter the world of glamping and the passion that drives them.

Vidar Velle, the visionary founder of Nordic Glamping based in the UK, was another highlight of the show. Vidar discussed the intricacies of setting up glamping structures, emphasizing the blend of luxury and nature. He also shared enthralling tales of glamping amidst the wilderness, painting a vivid picture of the experiences guests can expect.

Recurring guests, Zach from Clockwork and Connor Schwab from Sage Outdoor Hospitality, also shared updates on their projects and the latest trends in the glamping industry. Their insights provided a comprehensive look into the current state of the industry and its future trajectory.

The episode was not just an exploration of glamping but also a testament to the growth and potential of the outdoor hospitality industry. With a mix of expert opinions, personal journeys, and industry insights, MC Fireside Chats continues to be a beacon for those interested in outdoor hospitality.

In conclusion the episode offered a deep dive into the world of glamping. From personal journeys to industry trends, the episode provided a holistic view of the glamping universe, making it a must-watch for enthusiasts and professionals alike.

In the latest episode of MC Fireside Chats hosted by Brian Searl, a panel of industry experts convened to discuss the evolving role of data and artificial intelligence (AI) in the recreational vehicle (RV) industry.

The panelists included Casey Cochran from Campspot, Mike Harrison from CRR: A Lifestyle Company, Christine Taylor from the Towne Law Firm, and RV Industry Consultant, Sandy Ellington. The discussion was a deep dive into the potential of data analysis and AI in revolutionizing the RV industry, drawing parallels with the hotel industry.

The conversation kicked off with a discussion on Campspot's new Signals reports. These reports provide anonymized data to Campspot's customers, offering insights into their performance compared to other similar parks.

The data is derived from several factors, including location, amenities, size, and climate. The panelists highlighted the importance of such data in making informed business decisions and driving revenue growth.

The panelists also discussed the broader role of data analysis in the RV industry. Drawing from their experiences, they noted that the RV industry could significantly benefit from the kind of data analysis that has been a staple in the hotel industry for years.

The panelists emphasized the need for the RV industry to leverage data to understand market trends, customer behavior, and business performance.

“Data is so important, and it's not just important to campgrounds, it's also important to the rest of the industry. Because within that data is so many other jewels that can be used in other ways to help us improve the industry as a whole,” said Ellington.

The conversation then shifted to the potential of AI in the RV industry. The panelists expressed optimism about AI's ability to simplify and enhance data analysis. They discussed how AI could prompt users with relevant questions and insights based on their data, making data analysis more accessible and efficient for RV park owners.

The panelists also touched on the legal implications of data scraping, a method used to extract large amounts of data from websites. While data scraping is not illegal, the panelists acknowledged that it is a gray area that needs to be navigated carefully.

They emphasized the importance of understanding the legal landscape when using data scraping for business intelligence.

“[I]f you're using something that is collecting your customer data, I think that's when you have to care a little more…,” said Taylor. “Your customers want [to know] that kind of information. If it's [a] software or company that you're using that's going to have your customers data, I think you have a responsibility to your customers to make sure that data protected.”

The discussion also delved into the role of management companies in the RV industry. The panelists noted that many RV park owners do not have the time or expertise to conduct in-depth data analysis. As such, they can benefit from partnering with management companies that specialize in data analysis and can deliver valuable insights.

The panelists also highlighted the need for education in the RV industry about data analysis and AI. They noted that many RV park owners may not fully understand the value of these tools and may need guidance on how to leverage them effectively.

“The role of a good management company is so important because most of these small mom and pops their job is focused on managing and running their park. They don't have the time or energy to really do the kind of analytics that the larger companies do,” said Ellington.

“But if they can depend on the right kind of a management company, who's going to come back and give them this information and run those [through] AI forum and look for that data that's where I think the real value can come in.”

The panelists called for more webinars and educational resources to help RV park owners understand and utilize data analysis and AI.

Towards the end of the discussion, the panelists expressed their hope for the future of the RV industry. They envisioned a future where data analysis and AI are integral parts of the industry, helping RV park owners make informed decisions and drive business growth.

The latest episode of MC Fireside Chats offered valuable insights into the role of data and AI in the RV industry. The panelists highlighted the potential of these tools in revolutionizing the industry and called for more education and resources to help RV park owners leverage them effectively.

The MC Fireside Chats series continues to be a platform for thought leaders in the outdoor hospitality industry to share their insights and discuss the latest trends and developments. As the RV industry continues to evolve, these discussions will undoubtedly play a crucial role in shaping its future.

In the previous episode of MC Fireside Chats, sponsored by AccessParks, host Brian Searle was joined by recurring guests Phil Ingrassia from RVDA, Shane Deevenish from CRVA, and Eleanore Hamm from RVIA. Adding a unique perspective to the conversation were special guests Dr. Steve and Alec Rappleyea from Drive Home RV.

Alec, shared insights about the challenges they face while scaling their RV rental business. He emphasized the importance of effectively managing cash flow and working capital, which are critical aspects of any growing business. Alec also highlighted the necessity of creating robust systems that not only streamline operations but also embody their business values. He stressed the importance of having the right people in place to ensure the smooth running of their operations.

Steve, another guest on the show, discussed the unique dynamics of running a family business. He highlighted the importance of navigating business decisions within pre-existing relationships. Steve described their RV rental company, Drive Home RV, as an "RV Adventure Outfitter". They provide people with their first access to RV camping, occupying a special place in the ecosystem. Steve emphasized their commitment to ensuring that customers have positive experiences when they rent an RV from them for the first time. He also mentioned how they help customers navigate the transition from tent camping to RV camping, and how they provide additional equipment like electric bikes, stand-up paddle boards, and pavilion tents to enhance the camping experience. Steve also shared their plans for expansion, aiming to double or triple their fleet in the coming years.

Phil, proposed an interesting marketing strategy. He suggested that rental companies could offer discounts to renters who act as influencers, documenting and sharing their experiences on social media. This strategy, he believes, could significantly boost the visibility and appeal of RV rentals. Phil also touched upon the international focus of some rental companies, suggesting that there's potential for more influencer marketing in the domestic market.

Shane brought up the potential for RV rentals to bridge the gap during economic downturns. He proposed that RV rentals could provide a more affordable option for people to enjoy the RV lifestyle until they're financially ready to purchase their own RV. Shane also mentioned the increased availability of rental units in recent years and speculated on the potential impact this could have on the market.

Eleanor discussed the shift in the types of units being stocked for rental. She noted a move away from Class C units towards a wider variety of units, particularly those suitable for family use. This shift, she believes, could cater to a broader range of customer needs and preferences.

Towards the end of the discussion, Alec considered the advice from industry professionals and discussed the shift in design and materials in the RV industry, moving towards more European sensibilities. This shift, he believes, could refresh the industry and appeal to a wider audience.

Phil also discussed the potential for learning from the European RV market, particularly in terms of design and size of units. He mentioned the upcoming Dusseldorf show, a large European RV show that attracts a global audience, as a valuable opportunity for gaining insights into the European market.

Shane discussed the potential for international collaboration and learning between RV associations and businesses. He believes that such collaborations could lead to innovative practices and strategies that benefit the industry as a whole.

The episode concluded with Brian expressing his gratitude to the guests for their valuable insights. He wished them luck with their future endeavors, highlighting the importance of continuous learning and adaptation in the ever-evolving RV rental industry. The discussion underscored the dynamic nature of the RV rental industry and the exciting possibilities that lie ahead.

On the previous episode of MC Fireside Chats last July 19 presented by Modern Campground host Brian Searl was joined by recurring guests Nate Thompson from KCN Campgrounds and Scott Knepp from IVEE Group and special guests Justin Hogatt and Adam Lendi from Beyonder Camp, Mark Lemoine from St. Joseph KOA Holiday and Shannon Connolly of Roamstead.

The conversation begins with Shannon discussing her experience of acquiring a park and the challenges she faced in the process. She mentions the difficulties of dealing with weather-related delays and other issues such as plumbing and septic problems. She also expresses her envy of the more favorable weather conditions in Tennessee and Michigan for construction.

Mark shares his experience of managing a successful seasonal park. He talks about the work involved in maintaining the park, including physical work, marketing, and financial management. He also mentions how his life situation has changed over time, with his children growing up and leaving home, which has allowed him and his wife to travel and enjoy their time.

Adam and Justin discuss their approach to acquiring parks and managing properties. They mention that they started with cash-flowing properties that would generate income from day one. They also talk about their interest in properties that have potential for expansion and development. They mention that they are now starting to get into the ground-up development space.

The participants discuss the different types of clientele they encounter, from mom-and-pop folks looking to sell or maintain their parks, to institutional investors with large hotel portfolios. They also mention the importance of high-end reporting and sophisticated property management system capabilities for attracting sophisticated clients.

The conversation shifts to the topic of pricing and the balance between raising prices to match the quality of services and amenities provided, and keeping prices affordable for long-time guests. Mark mentions that as the quality of their park improved, they were able to raise prices, and most guests were willing to pay more for the improved experience.

The participants discuss the competition from state and federal parks, which offer amenities similar to those of private parks but at lower prices. They also discuss the demand for high-end amenities and experiences, and the importance of understanding their demographic and the market they want to target.

The video ends with the participants expressing their appreciation for the discussion and looking forward to future events and discussions. They also mention the importance of providing a high-quality experience for their guests, who often stay for several days, and the opportunities and challenges that come with managing a park.

In the previous episode of MC Fireside Chats presented by Horizon Outdoor Hospitality and hosted by Brian Searl, the discussion had begun with Sharon and Tony Turner sharing their experience of running the glamping site, Glamping Retro, in Tennessee. They had emphasized the importance of providing a unique and comfortable experience for their guests, which included providing amenities like a hot tub, a fire pit, and a grill. They had also mentioned that they had a variety of accommodations, including treehouses, airstreams, and bell tents.

Adrian and Carol Passos, owners of a glamping site Caracol Glamping in the UK, had shared that they had a variety of accommodations, including shepherd's huts, bell tents, and a converted horse box. They had also emphasized the importance of providing a unique and comfortable experience for their guests.

Zach Stoltenberg had discussed the importance of providing a unique and comfortable experience for guests. He had mentioned that as the glamping market was becoming more saturated, it was important for glamping sites to differentiate themselves by providing unique experiences and amenities.

The discussion had then turned to the future of the glamping industry. The panelists had agreed that as the industry was becoming more saturated, glamping sites would need to continue to innovate and provide unique experiences to attract guests. They had also discussed the potential for glamping sites to become more upscale and luxurious.

The panelists had also discussed the importance of marketing in the glamping industry. They had mentioned that social media was a crucial tool for marketing their sites and attracting guests. They had also discussed the importance of telling the story of their sites and creating a strong brand.

The discussion had then turned to the potential for growth in the glamping industry. The panelists had discussed the possibility of expanding their sites and adding more accommodations. They had also discussed the potential for hosting events, such as weddings, at their sites.

The panelists had also discussed the challenges of running a glamping site. They had mentioned that they were seasonal businesses, which could present challenges in terms of revenue and operations. They had also discussed the challenges of maintaining their sites and providing a high level of service to their guests.

The discussion had concluded with the panelists discussing the future of the glamping industry. They had expressed optimism about the future of the industry and the potential for growth and innovation. They had also expressed their excitement about the potential for glamping to continue to evolve and provide unique and memorable experiences for guests.

In the previous episode of MC Fireside Chats episode presented by Horizon Outdoor Hospitality hosted by Brian Searl, the discussion started about the departure of co-host Cara due to her increased responsibilities at CCRVC. 

Brian together with the recurring guests touched upon the occupancy rates of their properties during the July 4th holiday, with the high temperatures and weather conditions impacting the rates. Sandy shared that the midweek placement of the holiday and harsh weather led to lower than expected occupancy rates.

Brian warned about the danger of attributing lower occupancies to external circumstances, advocating for addressing the core issues. Christine informed that Memorial Day and Labor Day holidays usually have better occupancy rates due to their weekend placement. Mike introduced data from CampSpot indicating increased park bookings in June and predicted steady occupancy for Q4. They also discussed the US consumer confidence spike in June and factors contributing to it, such as stabilized gas prices and softened inflation.

They then discussed the state of the economy, small businesses, public perception, and issues within the park industry. Christine raised some problems she encountered in parks like disgruntled guests causing problems and increased employment lawsuits. The group also discussed the trend of guests abandoning their old rigs in parks and brainstormed possible proactive solutions, such as requiring annual inspections or setting age limits on rigs.

The conversation then shifted towards the industry innovation award proposed by Sandy, intended to recognize unique advancements within their industry. While Mike and Sandy argued that the awards could raise industry standards by promoting innovation, Brian expressed concerns about award saturation and the value of such recognitions. Brian also raised a concern about the self-nomination process commonly employed in these types of awards.

Electric vehicles (EVs) and their impact on the camping industry also featured in the discussion. Brian emphasized the necessity of accepting the transition towards EVs. Sandy pointed out the benefits of EV charging stations at RV parks as a revenue stream and marketing opportunity. However, the lack of widespread understanding and appreciation of EVs within the industry was also addressed.

In terms of individual experiences, Christine shared her journey dealing with customer service and transitioning into a new managerial role at a long-standing campground. Mike discussed strategies for leveraging a park's identity and legacy for marketing purposes. He also shared his experience of hosting themed weekend events to attract visitors to RV parks and discussed new initiatives like farmers' markets.

Sandy then discussed her successful attempts to encourage camping even in high heat by theming weekends, introducing activities like foam parties, and using a bundled payment model for activities. She also shared her insights on the potential of agritourism, drawing from her experiences with a park in central Florida. However, a humorous suggestion about hosting an "outrun the gator weekend" was advised against due to potential liability issues.

The chat concluded with the hosts expressing their gratitude for the active participation of the guests and a teaser for a future episode on glamping. The discussions were centered around various aspects of camping and RV resorts, with a focus on occupancy rates, consumer behavior, industry trends, and innovative solutions to existing challenges.

In the previous episode of MC Fireside Chats, presented by AccessParks, the conversation starts with personal experiences of RVing and quickly turns to the current state of the RV industry, discussing a softened market, dealership inventory backlogs, and enduring interest from consumers. 

Sam Shapiro from Grounded adds his perspective as a startup founder insulated from these challenges due to the innovative nature of electric camper vans.The story of Grounded's formation and the impact of COVID-19 on driving innovation in the RV industry, particularly electric camper vans, are also discussed. 

The importance of available chassis options, charging infrastructure, and the leadership role of major companies is highlighted, with Shapiro expressing optimism about the future of electric RVs.

A shift in the conversation introduces Jason and Allison Tacaks, who discuss their passion for astrophotography and the importance of dark sky locations, thereby highlighting the growing interest in astrotourism. The conversation includes potential measures to combat light pollution and the role of campgrounds and manufacturers in promoting dark sky experiences.

Shane Devenish, Susan Carpenter, Eleonore Hamm, and Phil Ingrassia later discuss legislative efforts for the RV industry, emphasizing the necessity of advocacy and public-private partnerships for successful lobbying. They share their experiences in Washington D.C. and Ottawa, advocating for improved infrastructure, tackling taxation and tariff issues, and avoiding a proposed luxury tax on RVs.

The episode concludes with a lighter discussion on the advantages of RV travel, plans for upcoming holidays, and information about Ground's electric camper vans and Jason and Allison Tacaks' road trip adventures. Finally, the speaker's express gratitude and anticipation for the next episode.

During the MC Fireside Chats last June 21 presented by Accessparks, it was mentioned that the podcast has undergone a change with the departure of co-host Cara, who has been appointed the president of the Canadian Camping & RV Council. The episode revolves around insightful discussions on the camping and RV industry featuring recurring guests Sean Vidrine from Four Points RV Resorts, Scott Knepp from Ivee Group and Whitney Scott from KOA together with special guests Sean Hamilton from Boyd's Campground, and Keva Niver from Boheme Retreats.

Sean shares about the challenges and accomplishments he has experienced operating Boyd's Campground, a 60-year-old establishment. Keva, on the other hand, introduces her developing campground, Boheme Retreats, that houses vintage campers with a vision to establish an inclusive camping environment. She plans to expand the venture across multiple locations while preserving its unique ethos combining a retro aesthetic with diversity and inclusivity.

The conversation with Brian and the guests focuses on various aspects of the camping and RV business such as franchise flexibility, customer experience, branding, acquisition strategies, and customer retention. For instance, Brian appreciates KOA's franchise model that offers flexibility for innovation, while Sean from Four Points emphasizes the importance of delivering an engaging and memorable customer experience. Sean also speaks about their evolving acquisition strategy in response to changing economic conditions and market dynamics.

Further, the discussion explores the importance of creating unforgettable experiences for guests, with Sean crediting their staff for treating guests like family, leading to customer retention. The conversation also touches on the unique aspects of camping in Key West, Florida, despite it not being the tropical paradise as often perceived. Shaun explains how they have maximized the waterfront experience with activities like paddle boarding and wildlife viewing, amidst other local cultural influences.

An intriguing part of the dialogue revolves around a recent KOA report on the use of artificial intelligence (AI), particularly tools like Chat GPT, in planning camping trips. The group discusses the surprising statistic that 32% of campers, as compared to 7% of non-campers, are leveraging AI to research campgrounds and activities, seek reviews, and even construct their itineraries. The participants express concerns about AI potentially spreading outdated or inaccurate information but are optimistic about its effective utilization as the technology matures.

In line with this, the group delves into the improvements in AI, especially with advancements like GPT-4, that result in more accurate search outcomes. They anticipate this influencing industries such as camping and hospitality and forecast it to reshape user engagement. This development, though requiring consumer adaptation, prompts businesses to be prepared for the shift.

The podcast also discusses how AI can help novices in camping by serving as an information source, albeit they caution against relying on AI to compare specific campgrounds. They also recognize the potential of AI in enhancing the camping experience, particularly in speeding up the engagement with outdoor experiences.

The conversation winds down with Whitney indicating that more people are blending different travel types with camping, thereby shifting the focus for campground owners to sell experiences rather than just camping spots. The economic benefits that campers contribute to local economies are also underlined.

Finally, a key topic towards the end of the podcast revolves around the untapped potential of the glamping industry. Brian asserts that while camping and RV-ing have seen an increase in popularity, a considerable portion of the population remains unexposed to these experiences. He suggests that the glamping industry has room to grow and ponders ways to engage individuals who haven't yet considered camping as a holiday option.

Sean agrees with Brian, acknowledging that people are now more open to unique experiences beyond traditional hotel stays. He shares his company's initiatives to cater to this trend, like offering distinctive accommodations such as tiny homes and houseboats. The primary challenge, they all agree, is reaching potential customers who haven't shown interest in camping or outdoor activities so far.

Keva shares her strategy of leveraging social media to reach her audience, mainly New York city-dwellers. She partners with influencers who share their experiences at her campground, thereby showcasing its convenience and ease of access. Similarly, Scott Knepp proposes listing campsites on popular travel websites such as Airbnb and Expedia and recommends greater involvement in local tourism initiatives.

Brian concludes the episode with optimism about the untapped potential in the camping and glamping market, acknowledging that these activities may not appeal to everyone. However, he affirms that even if outdoor ventures constitute a small part of someone's travel experiences, the impact on the industry could be significant. Thus, the episode ends with a promising outlook for the future of the camping and glamping industry.

During the MC Fireside Chats episode last June 14 presented by Modern Campground

David Smith started the conversation by reintroducing Outside Capital, a financial investment management firm specializing in outdoor hospitality. Their portfolio ranges from glamping and campgrounds to nature-based hotels, and they provide financial backing for deals in the industry, also leading their own projects.

Dimphy discusses the inception of her campsite in Romania. She shares how the concept of glamping, relatively new in Romania, has gained popularity, particularly among Bucharest's city dwellers looking for weekend getaways. She observes that her campsite, strategically located near the capital, is experiencing increasing traction.

Annette of Rustic Rook Resort describes their establishment nestled 19 miles from Colorado's Great Sand Dunes National Park. The resort, which opened in 2020, offers 30 glamping tents, presenting breathtaking views of the dunes and surrounding mountains.

Irene Wood highlights the rising interest in the glamping industry as reflected in the increase in relevant articles and publications. She and David Smith concur with Brian's assertion that the glamping industry usually starts with small operators, gradually attracting more substantial investments.

Connor Schwab sees a maturation process unfolding in the RV and campground industry. He envisions a future where the sector becomes more institutionalized and integrates technology to match the hotel industry's sophistication, particularly regarding dynamic pricing, reservation systems, and marketing.

In the panel discussion, Annette delves into the story of Rustic Rook Resort. She and her husband noticed a high demand for campgrounds in Colorado and, utilizing their construction background, constructed their glamping site, opening its doors in 2020. Despite observing significant interest in the camping industry, she warns that it's not a get-rich-quick scheme due to the immense work and stress involved in managing such a venture.

The panelists agree that the future of the glamping industry is promising. Irene Wood remarks that travel patterns changed after Covid-19, and brands who've established a lifestyle brand rather than merely providing accommodation stand a better chance at success. She also cautions about an increasing number of brokers looking to offload struggling glamping operations, suggesting potential threats to the industry.

The panel also navigates through the economic challenges that businesses face, including rising costs and aggressive competition. They observe some struggling businesses that did not anticipate these challenges in their initial project costs. To stay competitive, these businesses lower their pricing, which could lead to potential washouts. Meanwhile, some businesses like RV parks are thriving and expanding their services, showing resilience in the changing economic climate.

The group then discusses Dimphy's business in Romania. Dimphy finds her business performing well, given the extended operating season. She highlights the role nationality plays in her campsite's reputation, with positive reviews from German guests leading to an influx of other European visitors. However, she also outlines several challenges, including securing flat spaces for RV parking, establishing a reliable water supply, and dealing with local economic and inflationary issues.

The participants then delve into the real estate aspect, led by David. He discusses the complexities of the current real estate market, citing increased interest rates and floating rate loans as major obstacles. He notices that various sectors, including multifamily apartment buildings and the hotel industry, are being affected. Despite the difficulties, David emphasizes the importance of resilience and building successful businesses to withstand regular business cycles and exceptional situations.

Annette shares her insights on the trials of running a hospitality business, going beyond the allure of the"dream" phase and into the reality of daily challenges. Irene Wood humorously suggests a support group for owner-operators in hospitality to cope with unpredictable challenges.

The group also discusses market saturation in the glamping industry, with Connor expressing concerns about the rapid increase of glamping resorts. Annette suggests engaging with local planning commissions to gather occupancy data from all campgrounds, which could help evaluate if the market can sustain new businesses. The main objective is to foster a sustainable business environment and prevent a saturation leading to widespread failures.

They also ponder on various factors influencing market saturation, such as effective marketing and managing customer expectations. Despite acknowledging few nearing saturation markets, they argue it's not only about saturation but also about the appropriateness of businesses to their markets. They also discuss the concept of opportunity costs in outdoor hospitality businesses, which often do not run full seasons due to factors like zoning regulations.

In conclusion, David Smith states that while market saturation is a concern, businesses should not solely rely on it. He underscores the importance of offering a unique and differentiated glamping experience.