News of the news media has been pretty grim throughout 2024, with cutbacks and closures dominating the headlines.

To many, this is a sign that the writing is on the wall for an industry that's been struggling since the heady paper-based days of the 1990s.

But Xavier English says those people are just looking in the wrong places.

English joins us to talk about five Kiwi companies he says are redefining what 'news media' means in 2024.

We also give our takes on Apple's big AI news and how it might change the game.

Reading list

See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.