With the loss on Friday night, the Cardinals clinched something that has become all too common in St. Louis--no October baseball. Daniel (@C70) and Allen (@amedlock1) use that fact as a jumping off point for a good conversation. What sort of changes can and will come this winter? What sort of signs should we look for that things are not business as usual? Could Oli Marmol stay or does he have to go regardless of whether he deserves it? Should the Cardinals retrench or reboot for 2025? All this and much more!

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