What does fluid dynamics have to do with agile transformations? What is "vorticity" and how does it play into the differences between market demand, business agility, and software delivery? And what about firmware, which is a niche few talk about? How do you get agile firmware between agile software and agile hardware? This week we sit down with esteemed author David Bishop to discuss his book Metagility, where he unpacks all the above and more! If you enjoyed this episode, please give us a review, a rating, or leave comments on iTunes, Stitcher or your podcasting platform of choice. It really helps others find us.  Much thanks to the artist  from  who provided us our outro music free-of-charge!  If you like what you heard,     to find more music you might enjoy! If you’d like to join the discussion and share your stories,  please jump into the fray at our  We at the Agile Uprising are committed to being totally free.  However, if you’d like to contribute and help us defray hosting and production costs we do have a .  Who knows, you might even get some surprises in the mail!