Guest host Scot Bertram talks with Michael J. Reitz, executive vice president of the Mackinac Center for Public Policy, about Gov. Gretchen Whitmer’s recent claim that Michigan’s COVID lockdowns were driven by “bad information.” Reitz unpacks what that admission means, revisits the policies that shaped Michigan during the pandemic, and explains why accountability and transparency still matter. A clear-eyed conversation on lessons learned, and the ones still being ignored.