Mike Voigts is a great man of God, and he loves a lot of the same things I love – spiritual formation, the life of prayer, Asbury Seminary. He also loves HEB … more on that later. His focus is on personal and community spiritual direction … drawing connections between spiritual traditions in the global church. He served as a professor at Asbury SEminary for nine years, and now serves as the lead pastor of Waco First Global Methodist Church. He has written The Fourth Degree of Prayer (Cascade, 2022) and Letters of Ascent: Spiritual Direction in the Letters of Bernard of Clairvaux (Wipf & Stock, 2013). A great contemplative life … enjoy this conversation.