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Ep 287 Apy Echteld M1 Global & Fedor

Apy Echteld comes from the rich history of the famous Dutch promotion 2 Hot 2 Handle as well as managing Fedor Emelianenko 

Echteld walks us through an incredibly difficult year for M1 (2010) while also balancing the management aspects of Fedor. 

The questions in this interview are not easy to answer and the stress that Echteld dealt with comes though in his answers. 

This is a peak behind the scenes that we never expected the ability to record 

Ep 287 Apy Echteld M1 & Fedor

0:00 plugs/ promotions 
0:42 MMA history podcast intro 
1:14 guest introduction
1:41 interview start 
2:26 differences between mafias 
4:31 Japanese promotions going to war
6:26 Fuji TV competing event against Inoki
8:02 Fedor Emelianenko pay for fights 
8:40 using K1 to promote Sambo 
10:07 interactions with Vladimir Pogodin
11:04 managing Gegard Mousasi
14:05 fighters becoming jealous
15:41 Dana whites comments on Fedor Emelianenko
16:45 why Fedor Emelianenko never made it to the UFC
17:25 dealings with Obat Savitsky
19:15 conflicts bringing Pride Bushido to Europe
21:24 being aware of Pride FC’s decline 
23:33 Sakikibara never charged for a crime 
25:19 offers for fixed fights 
27:33 signing Fedor Emelianenko to BoDog
29:21 Randy Couture Fedor Emelianenko photoshoot 
31:19 Fedor Emelianenko’s intentions after Pride FC
36:18 Mitchell Maxwell part of K1 purchase 
39:15 Monte Cox CEO and president of M1 Global  
42:03 story behind the Affliction photoshoot 
44:50 Affliction attorney also working for UFC 
45:21 potential location for Emelianenko vs Couture 
47:55 Bas Boon’s attempt to land Fedor Emelianenko 
48:47 dealings with Miro Mijatovic
50:13 Miro Mijatovic death threats of contract 
52:33 relationship with Vadim Finkelchtein
53:40 relationship with Jerry Millen
54:07 revisiting the UFC contract negotiations 
56:28 UFC creating Conflict with Apy Echteld
1:04:50 thoughts on Mousasi
1:09:29 Dutch Mafia having experience  
1:11:00 asking Alistair Overeem to take steroid test 
1:11:37 M1 Global conflict with Strike Force 
1:13:54 M1 Global financial struggles 
1:15:23 Fedor Emelianenko M1 public stock
1:17:59 secret service taking pictures of crowd 
1:20:53 Cindy Dandois vs Yana santos
1:21:54 M1 Global ending relationship with Strike Force 
1:23:30 MMA not developing
1:28:49 2 hot 2 handle  
1:31:00 Netherlands issues with Bareknuckle fighting
1:32:54 experience with Bob Schrijber 
1:34:00 Bob Schrijber vs Gilbert Yvel 
1:44:32 Ernesto Hoost vs ring announcer 
1:45:12 interview wrap up/ outro

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Ep 286 Gan McGee Career Deep Dive 

Gan McGee takes us through his career that had him in a world title fight while also watching his Teamate Chuck Lidell become the sports first global superstar. 

Once again legendary coach John Hackleman sits in on another interview featuring one of his prized athletes. 

Ep 286 Gan McGee Career Deep Dive

0:00 plugs/ promotions 
0:42 MMA history podcast  intro 
1:14 Joey Venti’s guest introduction
1:37 interview start 
1:57 wrestling champ in college 
7:03 California having good fighters?????
7:29 connecting with John Hackleman
8:25 Glover Teixeira vs Eric Schwartz at gym 
10:02 John Hackleman intro 
11:25 first time seeing Gan McGee enter gym 
14:27 Chuck Liddell drawing people into the gym 
16:16 fighting navy seals on the street 
20:06 Chuck Liddell in a street fight 
21:40 Chris Kyle involved in street fight 
23:02 Gan McGee vs Sam Adkins
26:39 Gan McGee vs Rickey Herro
27:32 Gan McGee vs Aaron Brink
29:06 Marc Hall as a promoter 
30:08 Aaron Brink controversies 
31:59 cross training at different gyms 
37:09 American Top Team funding opportunities 
39:20 IFC 8 man tournament 
41:39 Gan McGee vs Paul Buentello
42:13 Knees to grounded opponent banned 
44:47 the Gan McGee rule 
47:00 Gan McGee vs Josh Barnett
50:43 discovering Gan McGee has asthma
51:53 Gan McGee vs Rocky Batastin
54:29 Gan McGee vs Seth Petruzelli
56:33 never fighting in KOTC
58:07 interactions with Dana White 
59:19 expectations of the WEC 
1:02:13 Gan McGee vs Ron Faircloth
1:03:57 difficulties finding fights 
1:05:51 Gan McGee vs Pedro Rizzo
1:09:20 Gan McGee vs Alexandre Dantas
1:10:12 Gan McGee vs Tim Sylvia 
1:11:55 Tim Sylvia testing positive after fight for PEDs 
1:14:33 getting dropped from the UFC 
1:18:15 Gan McGee vs Heath Hearing
1:24:31 interactions with Corey Peterson 
1:25:23 John Hackleman experience in Japan 
1:26:42 Gan McGee vs Semmy Schilt
1:29:03 avoiding interviews after fighting career
1:31:06 sparring with Glover Teixeira
1:33:00 favorite fight career memory 
1:33:42 interview wrap up 
1:34:06 outro/closing thoughts 


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Ep 285 Ant Evans 2007 UFC Deep Dive

Ant Evans spent 13 years working administratively for the UFC under  the capacity of media manager and Fight Pass president. 

In his first ever interview; Ant gives us an incredible look into what was being said behind the scenes when the UFC became the global leader of mixed martial arts. 

This is an interview of the year candidate and we hope that you enjoy it as much as we did. 

Ep 285 Ant Evans UFC 2007 Deep Dive. 

0:00 plugs/ promotions 
0:42 MMA history podcast  intro 
1:14 Joey Venti’s guest introduction
1:31 interview start 
3:02 the UFC in 2007 
4:20 plugs/ promotions 
6:58 Rickey Hatton dealings 
8:25 discovering the UFC early on 
10:17 UFC 38 almost banned 
11:03 Lee Murray Tito Ortiz street fight 
17:54 backlash for working for the UFC
26:00 Andy Geer pre fight interviews 
28:11 threats by Dave O’Donnell 
30:26 UFC destroying cctv of Murray Ortiz street fight 
33:09 UK fighters coming from street backgrounds 
37:43 Kara Parisyan dealing with addiction
39:26 Nick Diaz issues with anxiety 
44:22 Dana White and Tito Ortiz friendship 
48:40 Connor McGregor bus incident 
52:31 ADCC fight pass deal controversy 
1:04:14 Dana White denying BKFC on fight pass 
1:05:42 UFC announces buying Pride FC
1:09:13 accused of leaking UFC fights 
1:10:54 leaks coming from Ryan Bennetts emails 
1:14:49 introducing the UFC hall of fame 
1:23:19 Frank Shamrock ruining his UFC hall of fame 
1:29:34 negotiations with Frank Shamrock 
1:37:31 why John Perretti is not in UFC Hall of fame 
1:41:38 Jeff Osborne UFC contributions 
1:42:01 Melvin Guillard testing positive for cocaine 
1:44:05 Matt Serra vs GSP 
1:44:50 Dana white refusing HBO commentary 
1:46:32 Lorenzo Fertitta trusting Dana White 
1:48:15 Joe Rogan signing with UFC 
1:50:28 Michael Bisping receiving threats 
1:54:25 criticism from John McCain
1:56:47 Babalu refusing to let go of submission 
2:02:09 Randy Couture walking out of the UFC
2:03:01 Pride FC closing their doors
2:05:42 Fedor Emelianenko UFC negotiations
2:10:24 Affliction MMA teaser 
2:12:12 Ant Evans look alike does MMA fight 
2:13:27 interview wrap up/ Outro


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Ep 284 Bas Boon Golden Glory & Yakuza 

Legendary manager Bas Boon takes us through the incredibly dangerous behind the scenes from one of the world’s most dominant gyms as well as transitioning to having to deal with the Pride FC and the Japanese Yakuza. 

The Golden Glory gym had gangland type hits, internal fighting and a global reputation for NOT being an organization to oppose. 

Bas Boon leaves no stone unturned in this incredibly personal look into his business dealings. 

Ep 284 Bas Boon Golden Glory & Yakuza 

0:00 plugs/ promotions 
0:42 Lytes out intro 
1:14 guest introduction
1:21 interview start 
1:30 dealing with different Mafia’s
13:21 relationships with Ari Pols
14:02 thoughts on Ron Nyqvist
17:47 Ron Nyqvist issues with Rob & Erik Driesson
33:15 Ron Nyqvist dealing ecstasy
34:25 Ron Nyqvist turning into a rat 
42:06 Ron Nyqvist liquidating himself 
47:27 personality of Ron Nyqvist 
48:15 koos Hertogs
49:02 Karate Bob
49:39 relationship with Frederico Lapenda
50:21 IFC Ukraine event 
54:10 dealings with Andy Anderson 
55:25 issues with Too hot to handle
1:00:08 Escort service owner story 
1:03:41 friendship with Thom Harinck
1:07:28 using a different name to pay for room service 
1:09:10 Branko Cikatic money collector 
1:09:54 Mark Kerr vs Branko Cikatic 
1:11:08 singing to the wrong Yakuza 
1:14:22 Branko Cikatic trouble with Pride rules 
1:15:16 
1:16:21 dealings with Vadim Finkelstein
1:17:31 Japanese promotion war 
1:21:58 alleged fake fights in Japan 
1:23:42 attendance numbers at fighting events 
1:26:41 relationship with Appy Etcheld
1:28:02 thoughts on Martjin Dejong
1:29:36 UFC releases due to “unusual business practices”
1:35:11 Dennis Stojnic UFC signing 
1:39:43 Dennis Stojnic incident in Serbia 
1:42:40 Alister Overeem departing from Golden Glory
1:44:41 Fedor Emelianenko training with Ernesto Hoost 
1:45:39 Fedor Emelianenko not aware of K1 offer 
1:50:13 Pride FC Yakuza issues 
1:52:12 Sakakibara avoiding criminal charges 
1:55:14 interview wrap up 
2:03:06 outro/ closing thoughts

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Ep 283 Jason Von Flue Career Deep Dive 

Jason Von Flue made a name for himself on the Ultimate Fighter Season 2; his appearance thar was somewhat controversial due to how he was treated on the show. 

An original member of The Pit fight team Jason recalls his time watching Chuck Lidell become the sports biggest superstar 

This is Jason Von Flue’s first ever podcast and to say that this was a difficult get… would be an understatement; we hope that you enjoyed this as much as we did. 

Ep 283 Jason Von Flue Career Deep Dive 

0:00 plugs/ promotions 
0:42 Lytes out intro 
1:14 Joey Venti’s guest introduction
1:35 interview start 
2:53 beginnings in MMA 
7:40 early training partners 
11:08 getting into bar fights 
16:52 Chuck Liddell vs Noe Hernandez 
19:12 realizing Chuck Liddell was a superstar 
22:57 UFC golden era fighters 
24:19 Dana White managing Chuck Liddell
25:38 fighting 2 times at submission factory 
31:59 IFC 8 man tournament
41:55 Jason Von Flue vs Dave Marinoble
43:38 relationship with Paul Smith 
44:56 Jason Von Flue vs Toby Imada
49:16 Jason Von Flue vs Savant Young
51:34 Gan McGee
53:18 promoter Mark Hall 
54:14 inner gender MMA belt 
57:09 Jason Von Flue vs Mark Volz
59:37 Chuck Liddell UFC opponents 
1:01:27 Chuck Liddell vs Babalu
1:03:15 experience with Tito Ortiz 
1:04:54 avoiding street fights 
1:06:48 Chuck Liddell understanding fans 
1:09:00 plugs/promotions 
1:10:23 Jason Von Flue vs Erik Meaders
1:12:08 cabbage vs Aaron Brink 
1:13:45 problem with modern UFC
1:15:21 Abe Baxter story 
1:19:11 feeling a punch from Chuck Liddell
1:21:37 Jason Von Flue vs Ronald Jhun
1:23:35 Jason Von Flue vs Jim Walker
1:25:55 Jason Von Flue vs Bob Ostovich
1:28:06 how TUF changed fight coaches 
1:34:10 taking a 2 year break from fighting 
1:34:47 creating the Von Flue choke 
1:39:40 Brian Sleeman vs Chris Leben
1:41:15 Von Flue Choke explained 
1:42:29 plugs/ promotions 
1:43:51 Jason Von Flue vs Mac Danzig 
1:48:06 Jason Von Flue vs Nick Davanzo
1:51:53 becoming a cast member for TUF 2
1:59:51 going home after TUF 2 filming 
2:02:33 Jason Von Flue vs Jorge Gurgel
2:08:48 training with Matt Hughes 
2:11:16 Jason Von Flue vs Alex Karalexis
2:13:32 Jason Von Flue vs Luke Stewart 
2:15:07 relationship with Ryan Bennett 
2:16:03 Jason Von Flue vs Luke Cummo
2:18:09 relationship with Glover Teixeira 
2:19:47 Jason Von Flue vs Eric Wray 
2:22:36 Jason Von Flue vs Cung Lee
2:24:23 interview wrap up 
2:29:23 outro/ closing thoughts

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Ep 282 Antonio Banuelos Career Deep Dive 

Antonio Banuelos is a pioneer of the 135# weight class; he was the WEC champion prior to the weight class existing in the UFC 
Banuelos takes us through his career as well as what it was like to live with Chuck Lidell at the height of his fighting career. 
Special Thank You to John Hackleman for once again joining us on this very special episode. 

Ep 282 Antonio Banuelos Career Deep Dive  


0:00 plugs/ promotions 
0:42 MMA history podcast intro 
1:14 guest introduction
1:31 interview start 
1:33 wrestling in high school 
2:54 having a fallout with coach 
3:34 transition to MMA training 
6:54 hanging out with Bo Taylor and Jake Shields 
10:20 training at SLO kick boxing 
12:51 living in a house full of fighters 
16:13 cornering Jake Shields 
17:26 plugs/ promotions 
18:51 Jason Von Flu 
20:36 cornering Casey Olson
22:37 getting a tattoo after every fight 
23:41 meeting John Hackleman 
24:58 Glover Teixeira sparring with Chuck Lidell 
28:02 Antonio Banuelos vs Daniel Garlet
31:28 fighting in the IFC 
33:58 John Hacklemen intro 
35:08 hanging out with Chris Brennan 
36:25 Antonio Banuelos vs Stephan Pauling
37:00 first impression on Antonio Banuelos 
40:53 taking a year off fighting 
43:14 Antonio Banuelos power punching 
45:54 experience with Ian McCall 
48:46 Universal above ground fighting 
53:02 stitching up opponent after fight 
54:48 Antonio Banuelos vs Jeff Bedard
56:13 Antonio Banuelos vs Jim Kikuchi
58:32 fighters from Hawaii 
1:00:40 Chuck Liddell vs Randy Couture
1:04:55 experience with Matt Horwich 
1:08:59 manager Dwane Zinkin
1:09:55 Antonio Banuelos vs Kyong Song
1:11:21 Antonio Banuelos vs Brandon Shuey
1:15:50 Antonio Banuelos vs Mike Lindquist
1:17:48 cancelled bout with Max Marin
1:19:45 Antonio Banuelos vs Justin Tavernini
1:20:44 Antonio Banuelos vs Kimihito Nonaka
1:21:50 Antonio Banuelos vs Eddie Wineland
1:23:38 Antonio Banuelos vs Cole Escovedo
1:25:15 Cobb28 clothing brand 
1:27:10 Sinister clothing sponsor 
1:28:15 war MMA promotion
1:28:45 not getting paid by Dream FC 
1:31:25 fighting on Tap out reality show 
1:33:10 hiding injuries till after fight 
1:34:09 becoming part of the pit 
1:35:10 influence from John Hackleman 
1:41:20 interview wrap up 
1:46:44 outro/ final thoughts

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Ep 281 Bas Boon Dutch Mafia & MMA 

Bas Boon is one of MMA’s  most prolific managers, his involvement in K1 & Pride FC is largely undocumented 

This interview took almost 3 years to finally track down and it guarantee’s a multi part series with a man that has made deals with mafia organizations over 3 different continents 

Ep 281 Bas Boon Dutch Mafia & MMA 

0:00 plugs/ promotions 
0:42 MMA history podcast intro 
1:14 guest introduction
1:54 interview start 
2:55 issues publishing book
10:47 Semmy Schilt pushback in K1
15:15 Bob Sapp easy to market as a fighter 
16:53 Bob Sapp contract issues 
20:08 numerology behind Golden Glory 
22:04 Semmy Schilt vs Ernesto Hoost 
23:52 illegal Shin tape controversy 
28:29 dealings with promoter Simon Rutz 
32:19 Apy Etcheld hiring a hitman 
37:12 exposing Apy Etcheld on MMA forums 
42:48 Patrick Freitas defending Apy Etcheld 
43:18 drug and alcohol related crimes 
46:30 issues with Phil Baroni at UFC 37 
49:15 Karimula Barkalaev
50:48 dealings with Amar Suloev
55:02 twin brothers having different perspective 
59:12 Yakuza involvement with Pride Fc
1:06:26 thoughts on Gerard Gordeau
1:08:33 Dutch fighters having respect in Japan 
1:10:13 relationship with Jon Bluming 
1:11:19 student Chris Dolman 
1:13:40 Dirty Bob Schrijber dealing with problems 
1:16:16 Bob Schrijber vs Gilbert Yvel 
1:17:09 relationship with Andre Brilleman 
1:17:44 Negotiations with Fedor Emelianenko 
1:26:10 Little information on Bas Boon online 
1:27:20 putting K1 into bankruptcy 
1:29:54 Alistair Overeem negotiations 
1:38:20 interview wrap up 
1:40:04 outro/closing thoughts

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Ep 279 Hermes Franca Career & Controversy 

Hermes Franca fought some of the toughest guys in the world during his time at the UFC; inside the cage he seemed to be in complete control…. Outside of the cage was a different story. 
In his first interview in over a decade, Her ws joins us to talk about his career and path to a world title fight 
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Ep 279 Hermes Franca Career & Controversy 

0:00 Disclaimer 
0:56 plugs/ promotions 
1:36 Lytes out intro 
2:09 Joey Venti’s guest introduction
2:33 interview start 
3:04 beginnings in Jiu Jitsu 
5:23 connecting with American Top Team 
8:52 Hermes Franca vs Mike Brown
12:35 Hermes Franca vs Don Kaecher
13:57 Hermes Franca vs Anthony Hamlett
14:38 Hermes Franca vs Ryan Diaz
16:10 thoughts on Jeff Monson 
17:53 Hermes Franca vs Rich Crunkilton
22:25 Hermes Franca vs Caol Uno 
23:42 Hermes Franca vs Josh Thomson
26:30 Hermes Franca vs Yves Edwards
29:11 connecting with Murilo Bustamonte
32:03 fighting Manny Reyes after online argument 
35:36 returning to American Top Team 
36:27 issues at American Top Team 
38:10 first Black belt awarded at ATT
39:31 experience with Pacatau 
40:16 Hermes Franca vs Yves Edwards rematch 
41:04 Hermes Franca vs Ray Cooper 
42:42 Hermes Franca vs Ketetsu Boku 
43:30 opening up the Armory gym 
44:34 controversy around with Kurt Pellegrino
48:05 Hermes Franca vs Gabe Rudiger
51:37 Hermes Franca vs Ryan Schultz 
53:05 Joe Jordan short notice fight
55:15 Hermes Franca vs Jamie Varner 
56:41 Hermes Franca vs Nate Diaz 
1:00:09 Hermes Franca vs Spencer Fisher 
1:05:38 choosing to stay sober 
1:08:20 early life trauma 
1:11:48 popped for PEDs after Sean Sherk fight 
1:15:50 1 year suspension 
1:17:53 Hermes Franca vs Frankie Edgar 
1:18:56 giving the finger to ATT in photo 
1:21:16 Hermes Franca vs Marcus Aurilio
1:26:11 Dana White paying for knee surgery 
1:30:22 addiction to alcohol 
1:34:15 Hermes Franca vs Ferrid Kheder
1:38:16 interview wrap up 
1:40:05 outro/ closing thoughts

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Ep 278 Roberto Traven ADCC & MMA Deep Dive 

Roberto Traven beginnings in the sport takes us back to the war between Lita Livre & Gracie Jiu Jitsu 

Very rarely do we ever get such an early look into a time in the sport when there was such chaos. 

Phenomenal listen 

Ep 278 Roberto Traven ADCC & MMA Deep Dive 

0:00 plugs/ promotions 
0:42 Lytes out intro 
1:14 guest introduction
1:44 interview start 
1:47 plugs/ promotions 
2:48 learning Jiu jitsu at 16 
4:18 Luta Livre vs Jiu Jitsu 
4:48 Rickson Gracie vs Hugo Duarte beach fight 
10:25 interactions with Ryan Gracie 
11:55 unable to vision popularity of Jiu Jitsu 
15:32 paving the road for modern BJJ 
17:34 Rolls Gracie 
18:40 interactions with Gabi García
19:35 training with George Medhi
21:36 thoughts on Paqueta 
23:54 Injuring shoulder at the first IBJJF 
25:07 Roberto Traven vs Dave Berry
27:53 cornering Fabio Gurgel
28:31 cancelled bout with Mark Coleman due to injury 
29:44 coaching Fabio Gurgel during fights 
30:39 Absolute fighting championship 2
33:03 Don Frye cornering Leonid Efremov
34:34 Roberto Traven vs Leonardo Branco
36:01 training with Claudio Coelho
41:30 Roberto Traven vs John Machado
41:47 getting invited to ADCC 
43:26 Jeff Monson in the absolute devision 
44:09 Roberto Traven vs Hayato Sakuri
45:50 ADCC having success 
47:09 Roberto Traven vs Mario Sperry
49:25 Terere promoted to black belt after 5 years
50:23 Fabio Gurgel having keys to the gym 
50:59 Roberto Traven vs Gueorguiev Txvetkov
52:47 experience training Luta Livre 
55:39 Marco Ruas respectfully calling out Rickson Gracie 
57:10 Roberto Traven vs Dave Menne
58:07 Roberto Traven vs Tom Erickson
59:09 experience in Australia 
1:01:32 forming a super team 
1:03:44 student Ethan Garrison
1:04:21 Rory and Adam Singer
1:05:15 Mario Esfahan McCord
1:05:44 Robert Drysdale
1:06:48 Leo Vieira
1:07:16 Chris Moriarty
1:08:29 advice for Jiu Jitsu athletes 
1:10:16 interview wrap up 
1:10:29 outro/ closing thoughts 

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