Money Makers

This week, the Money Makers Investment Trusts Podcast turns five years old. Started at a time of market turmoil as the then-emerging Covid pandemic resulted in lockdowns, 268 episodes later market drama is back in the headlines again as Donald Trump imposes trade tariffs that have sent worldwide indices plummeting. It has hit investment trusts hard - sign up for the weekly Money Makers email for all the details, some commentary and a comprehensive summary of all the latest trust news.

In this edition of the podcast, Jonathan Davis, editor of the Investment Trusts Handbook and winner of the 2024 AIC Best Broadcast Journalist Award, is joined by Alexander Fitzalan Howard, manager of the J.P. Morgan European Growth and Income Trust (JEGI).

This discussion was recorded on Tuesday 01 April 2025.

*** Out now: The 2025 Investment Trusts Handbook ***

The Investment Trusts Handbook is an independent educational publication designed to provide investors with a handy annual reference book that summarises all you need to know about investment trusts. Now in its eighth year, the Handbook is a high-quality, full-colour hardback of more than 340 pages, the largest yet, with reviews of the past year, extensive interviews and commentary, plus nearly 80 pages of “how to” information and performance data. Available to order from Harriman House (https://harriman-house.com/ithb2025) or Amazon. There is also a free e-book version you can read on a PC, tablet or smartphone, plus an audiobook version.

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Section Timestamps:

0:00:24 - The anniversary edition and more market turmoil

0:05:41 - This week’s guest

0:06:50 - Talking to Alexander Fitzalan Howard

0:07:38 - Interesting times and Trump’s tariffs

0:09:29 - The significance of developments in Germany and France

0:12:33 - ECB interest rate cuts

0:13:28 - The strength of European stock markets since the return of Trump

0:15:18 - The trust’s performance versus the peer group

0:19:56 - Looking at the trust amongst sector events

0:21:18 - The discount policy

0:21:49 - A short break

0:22:44 - The pros and cons of a closed end structure

0:26:13 - Looking back at activities over the past twelve months

0:28:31 - Valuation of the portfolio

0:30:45 - Stand out performance in the last twenty years

0:34:26 - Close

If you enjoy the weekly podcast, you may also find value in joining The Money Makers Circle. This is a membership scheme that offers listeners to the podcast an opportunity, in return for a modest monthly or annual subscription, to receive additional premium content, including interviews, performance data, links to third party research, market/portfolio reviews and regular comments from the editor. A subscription costs £12 a month or £120 for one year.

This week, as well as the usual features, the Circle features a profile of Invesco Global Equity Income (IGET). Future profiles include River UK Micro Cap (RMMC) and RIT Capital Partners (RCP). Our new expanded weekly subscriber email includes a comprehensive summary of all the latest news plus the week's biggest share price, NAV and discount movements. Subscribe and you will never miss any important developments from the sector.

For more information please visit money-makers.co/membership-join. Membership helps to cover the cost of producing the weekly investment trust podcast, which will continue to be free for the foreseeable future. We are very grateful for your continued support and the enthusiastic response to our nearly 270 podcasts since launch.

You can find more information, including relevant disclosures, at www.money-makers.co. Please note that this podcast is provided for educational purposes only and nothing you hear should be considered as investment advice. Our podcasts are also available on the Association of Investment Companies website, www.theaic.co.uk.

Produced by Ben Gamblin - www.bgprofessional.co.uk

In this edition of the Money Makers Investment Trusts Podcast, Jonathan Davis, editor of the Investment Trusts Handbook and winner of the 2024 AIC Best Broadcast Journalist Award, is joined by Richard Horlick, chairman of BH Macro.

This discussion was recorded on Monday 31 March 2025.

*** Out now: The 2025 Investment Trusts Handbook ***

The Investment Trusts Handbook is an independent educational publication designed to provide investors with a handy annual reference book that summarises all you need to know about investment trusts. Now in its eighth year, the Handbook is a high-quality, full-colour hardback of more than 340 pages, the largest yet, with reviews of the past year, extensive interviews and commentary, plus nearly 80 pages of “how to” information and performance data. Available to order from Harriman House (https://harriman-house.com/ithb2025) or Amazon. There is also a free e-book version you can read on a PC, tablet or smartphone, plus an audiobook version.

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Section Timestamps:

0:00:24 - Introduction

0:00:59 - What is distinctive about BH Macro?

0:04:07 - Managing volatility

0:08:19 - The discount and buybacks

0:09:50 - Understanding costs

0:16:11 - A short break

0:17:07 - The trust in light of world events

0:29:24 - Looking to the future

0:31:30 - The UK equity market and BH Macro’s listing

0:34:28 - Close

If you enjoy the weekly podcast, you may also find value in joining The Money Makers Circle. This is a membership scheme that offers listeners to the podcast an opportunity, in return for a modest monthly or annual subscription, to receive additional premium content, including interviews, performance data, links to third party research, market/portfolio reviews and regular comments from the editor. A subscription costs £12 a month or £120 for one year.

This week, as well as the usual features, the Circle features a profile of Invesco Global Equity Income (IGET). Future profiles include RIT Capital Partners (RCP) and River UK Micro Cap (RMMC). Our new expanded weekly subscriber email includes a comprehensive summary of all the latest news plus the week's biggest share price, NAV and discount movements. Subscribe and you will never miss any important developments from the sector.

For more information please visit money-makers.co/membership-join. Membership helps to cover the cost of producing the weekly investment trust podcast, which will continue to be free for the foreseeable future. We are very grateful for your continued support and the enthusiastic response to our nearly 270 podcasts since launch.

You can find more information, including relevant disclosures, at www.money-makers.co. Please note that this podcast is provided for educational purposes only and nothing you hear should be considered as investment advice. Our podcasts are also available on the Association of Investment Companies website, www.theaic.co.uk.

Produced by Ben Gamblin.

In this edition of the Money Makers Investment Trusts Podcast, Jonathan Davis, editor of the Investment Trusts Handbook and winner of the 2024 AIC Best Broadcast Journalist Award, is joined by Neil Rogan, chairman of Invesco Asia Dragon (IAD) and Baillie Gifford UK Growth (BGUK), and a non-executive director at J.P.Morgan Global Growth and Income (JGGI).

This discussion was recorded on Monday 24 March 2025.

*** Out now: The 2025 Investment Trusts Handbook ***

The Investment Trusts Handbook is an independent educational publication designed to provide investors with a handy annual reference book that summarises all you need to know about investment trusts. Now in its eighth year, the Handbook is a high-quality, full-colour hardback of more than 340 pages, the largest yet, with reviews of the past year, extensive interviews and commentary, plus nearly 80 pages of “how to” information and performance data. Available to order from Harriman House (https://harriman-house.com/ithb2025) or Amazon. There is also a free e-book version you can read on a PC, tablet or smartphone, plus an audiobook version.

This weekend, on 29 March, Jonathan will be speaking and signing copies of the Handbook at the Master Investor show in London.

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Section Timestamps:

0:00:24 - Introduction

0:02:03 - Upcoming podcast anniversary

0:04:01 - Reflecting on sector consolidation over the past six years

0:06:28 - Changes to the investment trusts world in the last forty years

0:11:02 - Factors persuading the market to allow big discounts

0:14:10 - Invesco Asia Dragon (IAD)

0:21:18 - Is the IAD process a template for others to follow?

0:22:33 - Performance related tenders

0:24:38 - A short break

0:25:34 - Activism and consolidation

0:31:33 - Discount target for Invesco Asia Dragon

0:33:54 - J.P.Morgan Global Growth and Income (JGGI)

0:36:51 - Baillie Gifford UK Growth (BGUK)

0:41:46 - Is the trust industry facing an existential crisis?

0:44:50 - Interpreting the world today and the effect of the Trump administration

0:48:27 - Close

If you enjoy the weekly podcast, you may also find value in joining The Money Makers Circle. This is a membership scheme that offers listeners to the podcast an opportunity, in return for a modest monthly or annual subscription, to receive additional premium content, including interviews, performance data, links to third party research, market/portfolio reviews and regular comments from the editor. A subscription costs £12 a month or £120 for one year.

This week, as well as the usual features, the Circle features a profile of Baillie Gifford US Growth (USA). Future profiles include Invesco Global Equity Income (IGET) and RIT Capital Partners (RCP). Our new expanded weekly subscriber email includes a comprehensive summary of all the latest news plus the week's biggest share price, NAV and discount movements. Subscribe and you will never miss any important developments from the sector.

For more information please visit money-makers.co/membership-join. Membership helps to cover the cost of producing the weekly investment trust podcast, which will continue to be free for the foreseeable future. We are very grateful for your continued support and the enthusiastic response to our more than 260 podcasts since launch.

You can find more information, including relevant disclosures, at www.money-makers.co. Please note that this podcast is provided for educational purposes only and nothing you hear should be considered as investment advice. Our podcasts are also available on the Association of Investment Companies website, www.theaic.co.uk.

Produced by Ben Gamblin.

In this edition of the Money Makers Investment Trusts Podcast, Jonathan Davis, editor of the Investment Trusts Handbook and winner of the 2024 AIC Best Broadcast Journalist Award, is joined by two experts on financial history, Russell Napier, global market strategist and founder of the Library of Mistakes in Edinburgh, and Edward Chancellor, historian and author of The Price of Time, to put the dramas of Trump 2.0 in context.

This discussion was recorded on 25 March 2025 at the Weekend of Mistakes in Hay-on-Wye.

*** Out now: The 2025 Investment Trusts Handbook ***

The Investment Trusts Handbook is an independent educational publication designed to provide investors with a handy annual reference book that summarises all you need to know about investment trusts. Now in its eighth year, the Handbook is a high-quality, full-colour hardback of more than 340 pages, the largest yet, with reviews of the past year, extensive interviews and commentary, plus nearly 80 pages of “how to” information and performance data. Available to order from Harriman House (https://harriman-house.com/ithb2025) or Amazon. There is also a free e-book version you can read on a PC, tablet or smartphone, plus an audiobook version.

Next week Jonathan will be speaking and signing copies of the Handbook at the Master Investor show in London on March 29th.

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Section Timestamps:

0:00:24 - Introduction

0:01:33 - Putting the Trump presidency into historical context

0:04:36 - Market reactions

0:06:50 - Trump’s motivations and agenda

0:11:52 - Will Scott Bessent reign in Trump’s more extravagant proposals?

0:16:00 - A short break

0:16:56 - Returning to capital controls and a loss of independence in central banks?

0:22:21 - Anticipating a change in market style

0:25:34 - Gold

0:27:58 - Putting on a hard hat

0:29:50 - The Library of Mistakes, London

0:30:36 - Close

If you enjoy the weekly podcast, you may also find value in joining The Money Makers Circle. This is a membership scheme that offers listeners to the podcast an opportunity, in return for a modest monthly or annual subscription, to receive additional premium content, including interviews, performance data, links to third party research, market/portfolio reviews and regular comments from the editor. A subscription costs £12 a month or £120 for one year.

This week, as well as the usual features, the Circle features a profile of Baillie Gifford US Growth (USA). Future profiles include Invesco Global Equity Income (IGET) and RIT Capital Partners (RCP). Our new expanded weekly subscriber email includes a comprehensive summary of all the latest news plus the week's biggest share price, NAV and discount movements. Subscribe and you will never miss any important developments from the sector.

For more information please visit money-makers.co/membership-join. Membership helps to cover the cost of producing the weekly investment trust podcast, which will continue to be free for the foreseeable future. We are very grateful for your continued support and the enthusiastic response to our more than 260 podcasts since launch.

You can find more information, including relevant disclosures, at www.money-makers.co. Please note that this podcast is provided for educational purposes only and nothing you hear should be considered as investment advice. Our podcasts are also available on the Association of Investment Companies website, www.theaic.co.uk.

Produced by Ben Gamblin.

In this edition of the Money Makers Investment Trusts Podcast, Jonathan Davis, editor of the Investment Trusts Handbook and winner of the 2024 AIC Best Broadcast Journalist Award, is joined by Hugh Gimber, executive director and global market strategist at J.P.Morgan in London.

This discussion was recorded on Monday 17 March 2025.

*** Out now: The 2025 Investment Trusts Handbook ***

The Investment Trusts Handbook is an independent educational publication designed to provide investors with a handy annual reference book that summarises all you need to know about investment trusts. Now in its eighth year, the Handbook is a high-quality, full-colour hardback of more than 340 pages, the largest yet, with reviews of the past year, extensive interviews and commentary, plus nearly 80 pages of “how to” information and performance data. Available to order from Harriman House (https://harriman-house.com/ithb2025) or Amazon. There is also a free e-book version you can read on a PC, tablet or smartphone, plus an audiobook version.

Jonathan will be signing copies of the Handbook at the Master Investor show in London on March 29th. The Handbook is now also available as an audiobook edition on YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEsprtnFA9I

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Section Timestamps:

0:00:24 - Introduction

0:00:41 - A look at the uncertainty facing investors

0:06:29 - The impact of a ceasefire or peace deal in Ukraine

0:08:47 - The risk of a recession in the US

0:11:44 - The bond market and interest rates

0:13:43 - Growth and inflation expectations for Europe and the UK

0:15:54 - A short break

0:16:50 - The “Trump Put”

0:20:46 - The continuing US dominance of the global equity market

0:24:13 - A time for a small-cap emergence?

0:26:01 - The choice to hide in cash

0:31:49 - Risks and uncertainties

0:34:30 - Close

If you enjoy the weekly podcast, you may also find value in joining The Money Makers Circle. This is a membership scheme that offers listeners to the podcast an opportunity, in return for a modest monthly or annual subscription, to receive additional premium content, including interviews, performance data, links to third party research, market/portfolio reviews and regular comments from the editor. A subscription costs £12 a month or £120 for one year.

This week, as well as the usual features, the Circle features a profile of Bluefield Solar Income (BSIF). Future profiles include Baillie Gifford US Growth (USA) and Invesco Global Equity Income (IGET). Our new expanded weekly subscriber email includes a comprehensive summary of all the latest news plus the week's biggest share price, NAV and discount movements. The content of that email is also available for subscribers via the website.

For more information about the Money Makers circle, please visit money-makers.co/membership-join. Membership helps to cover the cost of producing the weekly investment trust podcast, which will continue to be free for the foreseeable future. We are very grateful for your continued support and the enthusiastic response to our more than 260 podcasts since launch.

You can find more information, including relevant disclosures, at www.money-makers.co. Please note that this podcast is provided for educational purposes only and nothing you hear should be considered as investment advice. Our podcasts are also available on the Association of Investment Companies website, www.theaic.co.uk.

Produced by Ben Gamblin.

In this edition of the Money Makers Investment Trusts Podcast, Jonathan Davis, editor of the Investment Trusts Handbook and winner of the 2024 AIC Best Broadcast Journalist Award, is joined by Andrew McHattie, editor of the Investment Trusts Newsletter

This discussion was recorded on Friday 14 March 2025.

*** Out now: The 2025 Investment Trusts Handbook ***

The Investment Trusts Handbook is an independent educational publication designed to provide investors with a handy annual reference book that summarises all you need to know about investment trusts. Now in its eighth year, the Handbook is a high-quality, full-colour hardback of more than 340 pages, the largest yet, with reviews of the past year, extensive interviews and commentary, plus nearly 80 pages of “how to” information and performance data. Available to order from Harriman House (https://harriman-house.com/ithb2025) or Amazon. There is also a free e-book version you can read on a PC, tablet or smartphone, plus an audiobook version.

Jonathan will be signing copies of the Handbook at the Master Investor show in London on March 29th. The Handbook is now also available as an audiobook edition on YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEsprtnFA9I

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Section Timestamps:

0:00:24 - Introduction

0:00:57 - The state of play in the third month of the Trump administration

0:04:23 - Trust performance over the past five days

0:09:31 - The commercial property sector

0:19:52 - A short break

0:20:48 - The equity investment trust sector

0:25:19 - Murray International (MYI)

0:29:07 - Law Debenture (LWDB)

0:32:13 - Battery storage - Harmoney Energy Income (HEIT)

0:34:33 - Seraphim Space Investment Trust (SSIT)

0:37:45 - The latest developments with Saba Capital

0:40:06 - The Weekly Email and the Investment Trusts Newsletter

0:41:40 - Close

Jonathan also recently sat down with Peter Spiller for a conversation which is available as an edited transcript. Peter spoke about the market impact of Trump’s extraordinarily erratic policymaking and why the bond markets hate it. He also reiterates the case for owning index-linked in these market conditions and the need for investment trusts to reform or die. That transcript available at the Money Makers Website - https://money-makers.co/2025/03/15/money-makers-podcast-15-mar-2025/

If you enjoy the weekly podcast, you may also find value in joining The Money Makers Circle. This is a membership scheme that offers listeners to the podcast an opportunity, in return for a modest monthly or annual subscription, to receive additional premium content, including interviews, performance data, links to third party research, market/portfolio reviews and regular comments from the editor. A subscription costs £12 a month or £120 for one year.

This week, as well as the usual features, the Circle features a profile of Finsbury Growth & Income (FGT). Future profiles include Bluefield Solar Income (BSIF) and Baillie Gifford US Growth (USA). Our new expanded weekly subscriber email includes a comprehensive summary of all the latest news plus the week's biggest share price, NAV and discount movements. The content of that email is also available for subscribers via the website.

For more information about the Money Makers circle, please visit money-makers.co/membership-join. Membership helps to cover the cost of producing the weekly investment trust podcast, which will continue to be free for the foreseeable future. We are very grateful for your continued support and the enthusiastic response to our more than 260 podcasts since launch.

You can find more information, including relevant disclosures, at www.money-makers.co. Please note that this podcast is provided for educational purposes only and nothing you hear should be considered as investment advice. Our podcasts are also available on the Association of Investment Companies website, www.theaic.co.uk.

Produced by Ben Gamblin.

In this edition of the Money Makers Investment Trusts Podcast, Jonathan Davis, editor of the Investment Trusts Handbook and winner of the 2024 AIC Best Broadcast Journalist Award, is joined by Max King, the market and investment trust commentator and former Investec fund manager.

This discussion was recorded on Friday 07 March 2025.

*** Out now: The 2025 Investment Trusts Handbook ***

The Investment Trusts Handbook is an independent educational publication designed to provide investors with a handy annual reference book that summarises all you need to know about investment trusts. Now in its eighth year, the Handbook is a high-quality, full-colour hardback of more than 340 pages, the largest yet, with reviews of the past year, extensive interviews and commentary, plus nearly 80 pages of “how to” information and performance data. Available to order from Harriman House (https://harriman-house.com/ithb2025) or Amazon. There is also a free e-book version you can read on a PC, tablet or smartphone, plus an audiobook version.

Jonathan will be signing copies of the Handbook at the Master Investor show in London on March 29th.

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Section Timestamps:

0:00:24 - Introduction

0:00:41 - Reacting to the confusion coming from the US

0:04:01 - The implications following a peace in Ukraine

0:05:40 - Funding Europe’s and the UK’s defence

0:08:11 - The persistent discounts in the investment trusts sector

0:12:39 - A short break

0:13:34 - Boards’ response to the arrival of Saba

0:15:25 - The shrinking commercial property sector

0:17:10 - The IPO of Achilles Investment Trust (AIC)

0:19:39 - Private equity

0:22:22 - Cost disclosure and the FCA

0:23:10 - Portfolio changes

0:25:35 - Close

If you enjoy the weekly podcast, you may also find value in joining The Money Makers Circle. This is a membership scheme that offers listeners to the podcast an opportunity, in return for a modest monthly or annual subscription, to receive additional premium content, including interviews, performance data, links to third party research, market/portfolio reviews and regular comments from the editor. A subscription costs £12 a month or £120 for one year.

This week, as well as the usual features, the Circle features a profile of Augmentum Fintech (AUGM). Future profiles include Finsbury Growth & Income (FGT) and Bluefield Solar Income (BSIF). Our new expanded weekly subscriber email includes a comprehensive summary of all the latest news plus the week's biggest share price, NAV and discount movements. The content of that email is also available for subscribers via the website.

For more information about the Money Makers circle, please visit money-makers.co/membership-join. Membership helps to cover the cost of producing the weekly investment trust podcast, which will continue to be free for the foreseeable future. We are very grateful for your continued support and the enthusiastic response to our more than 260 podcasts since launch.

You can find more information, including relevant disclosures, at www.money-makers.co. Please note that this podcast is provided for educational purposes only and nothing you hear should be considered as investment advice. Our podcasts are also available on the Association of Investment Companies website, www.theaic.co.uk.

Produced by Ben Gamblin.

In this edition of the Money Makers Investment Trusts Podcast, Jonathan Davis, editor of the Investment Trusts Handbook and winner of the 2024 AIC Best Broadcast Journalist Award, is joined by Colm Walsh, co-manager of the ICG Enterprise Trust (ICGT).

This discussion was recorded on 25 February 2025.

*** Out now: The 2025 Investment Trusts Handbook ***

The Investment Trusts Handbook is an independent educational publication designed to provide investors with a handy annual reference book that summarises all you need to know about investment trusts. Now in its eighth year, the Handbook is a high-quality, full-colour hardback of more than 340 pages, the largest yet, with reviews of the past year, extensive interviews and commentary, plus nearly 80 pages of “how to” information and performance data. The Handbook is an indispensable companion for anyone looking to invest in investment trusts. There is also a free e-book version you can read on a PC, tablet or smartphone. Available to order from Harriman House (https://harriman-house.com/ithb2025) or Amazon.

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Section Timestamps:

0:00:24 - Introduction

0:00:45 - Performance of ICGT over the past 18 months

0:02:33 - Addressing the discount issue

0:05:55 - NAV performance

0:10:54 - Cost disclosure

0:16:45 - Characteristics of the mid-market and buy-out markets

0:20:23 - A short break

0:21:19 - Trends in revenues and earnings

0:23:12 - Impact from global events

0:27:10 - A view on the UK

0:33:22 - A view on Europe

0:34:29 - The private equity and ICGT pitch

0:38:27 - The perception of private equity

0:42:43 - Close

If you enjoy the weekly podcast, you may also find value in joining The Money Makers circle. This is a membership scheme that offers listeners to the podcast an opportunity, in return for a modest monthly or annual subscription, to receive additional premium content, including interviews, performance data, market/portfolio reviews and regular extracts from the editor's notebook.

This week, as well as the usual features, the Circle features a profile of Worldwide Healthcare (WWH). Future profiles include Augmentum Fintech (AUGM) and Finsbury Growth and Income (FGT). Look out for the latest edition of our new expanded weekly subscriber email which summarises Jonathan's latest thoughts and includes a comprehensive summary of all the latest news. The content of that email is also available for subscribers via the website. A subscription costs £12 a month or £120 for one year.

For more information about the Money Makers circle, please visit money-makers.co/membership-join. Membership helps to cover the cost of producing the weekly investment trust podcast, which will continue to be free. We are very grateful for your continued support and the enthusiastic response to our more than 260 podcasts since launch.

You can find more information, including relevant disclosures, at www.money-makers.co. Please note that this podcast is provided for educational purposes only and nothing you hear should be considered as investment advice. Our podcasts are also available on the Association of Investment Companies website, www.theaic.co.uk.

Produced by Ben Gamblin.

In this edition of the Money Makers Investment Trusts Podcast, Jonathan Davis, editor of the Investment Trusts Handbook and winner of the 2024 AIC Best Broadcast Journalist Award, is joined by Richard Staveley, lead manager at Rockwood Strategic (RKW).

This discussion was recorded on 24 February 2025.

*** Out now: The 2025 Investment Trusts Handbook ***

The Investment Trusts Handbook is an independent educational publication designed to provide investors with a handy annual reference book that summarises all you need to know about investment trusts. Now in its eighth year, the Handbook is a high-quality, full-colour hardback of more than 340 pages, the largest yet, with reviews of the past year, extensive interviews and commentary, plus nearly 80 pages of “how to” information and performance data. The Handbook is an indispensable companion for anyone looking to invest in investment trusts. There is also a free e-book version you can read on a PC, tablet or smartphone. Available to order from Harriman House (https://harriman-house.com/ithb2025) or Amazon.

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Section Timestamps:

0:00:24 - Introduction

0:00:39 - Trust performance over the last twelve months

0:02:59 - The impact of the 2024 budget on the small cap sector

0:08:22 - Operational impacts from the budget

0:13:06 - Looking at Filtronic

0:21:09 - A short break

0:22:04 - Looking at Funding Circle

0:26:18 - Disclosure of information and the possibility of investing in an investment trust

0:31:12 - Hostmore

0:35:51 - The outlook from here

0:40:17 - Close

If you enjoy the weekly podcast, you may also find value in joining The Money Makers circle. This is a membership scheme that offers listeners to the podcast an opportunity, in return for a modest monthly or annual subscription, to receive additional premium content, including interviews, performance data, market/portfolio reviews and regular extracts from the editor's notebook.

This week, as well as the usual features, the Circle features a profile of Worldwide Healthcare (WWH). Future profiles include Augmentum Fintech (AUGM) and Finsbury Growth and Income (FGT). Look out for the latest edition of our new expanded weekly subscriber email which summarises Jonathan's latest thoughts and includes a comprehensive summary of all the latest news. The content of that email is also available for subscribers via the website. A subscription costs £12 a month or £120 for one year.

For more information about the Money Makers circle, please visit money-makers.co/membership-join. Membership helps to cover the cost of producing the weekly investment trust podcast, which will continue to be free. We are very grateful for your continued support and the enthusiastic response to our 260 podcasts since launch.

You can find more information, including relevant disclosures, at www.money-makers.co. Please note that this podcast is provided for educational purposes only and nothing you hear should be considered as investment advice. Our podcasts are also available on the Association of Investment Companies website, www.theaic.co.uk.

Produced by Ben Gamblin.

In this edition of the Money Makers Investment Trusts Podcast, Jonathan Davis, editor of the Investment Trusts Handbook and winner of the 2024 AIC Best Broadcast Journalist Award, is joined by Andrew McHattie, editor of the Investment Trusts Newsletter.

This discussion was recorded on Friday 21 February 2025.

*** Out now: The 2025 Investment Trusts Handbook ***

The Investment Trusts Handbook is an independent educational publication designed to provide investors with a handy annual reference book that summarises all you need to know about investment trusts. Now in its eighth year, the Handbook is a high-quality, full-colour hardback of more than 340 pages, the largest yet, with reviews of the past year, extensive interviews and commentary, plus nearly 80 pages of “how to” information and performance data. The Handbook is an indispensable companion for anyone looking to invest in investment trusts. There is also a free e-book version you can read on a PC, tablet or smartphone. Available to order from Harriman House (https://harriman-house.com/ithb2025) or Amazon.

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Section Timestamps:

0:00:24 - Introduction

0:00:39 - A new IPO

0:05:04 - What can be done to bring in alternative assets’ discounts?

0:08:19 - Saba Capital’s continuing campaign

0:15:04 - Herald and the upcoming continuation vote

0:18:16 - Reactions from boards of alternatives trusts

0:26:29 - A short break

0:27:25 - Infrastructure trusts

0:33:57 - Private equity

0:39:12 - Consolidation in the equity sector

0:44:57 - BlackRock World Mining

0:47:09 - Final thoughts on Trump and interest rates

0:48:17 - Close

If you enjoy the weekly podcast, you may also find value in joining The Money Makers circle. This is a membership scheme that offers listeners to the podcast an opportunity, in return for a modest monthly or annual subscription, to receive additional premium content, including interviews, performance data, market/portfolio reviews and regular extracts from the editor's notebook.

This week, as well as the usual features, the Circle features a profile of Custodian Property Income REIT (CREI). Future profiles include Worldwide Healthcare (WWH) and Augmentum Fintech (AUGM). Look out for the latest edition of our new expanded weekly subscriber email which summarises Jonathan's latest thoughts and includes a comprehensive summary of all the latest news. The content of that email is also available for subscribers via the website. A subscription costs £12 a month or £120 for one year.

For more information about the Money Makers circle, please visit money-makers.co/membership-join. Membership helps to cover the cost of producing the weekly investment trust podcast, which will continue to be free. We are very grateful for your continued support and the enthusiastic response to our nearly 260 podcasts since launch.

You can find more information, including relevant disclosures, at www.money-makers.co. Please note that this podcast is provided for educational purposes only and nothing you hear should be considered as investment advice. Our podcasts are also available on the Association of Investment Companies website, www.theaic.co.uk.

Produced by Ben Gamblin.