This episode explores issues of gender and sexuality in Mormon communities. Dr. Taylor Petrey, author of Tabernacles of Clay: Sexuality and Gender in Modern Mormonism, joins us to discuss the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints’ current positions on gender and the place of LGBTQ Mormons. We explore tensions within Mormon communities around these issues, how Mormon leaders tried to teach children how to become gender normative heterosexuals, and Mormon ideas about womanly perfection as depicted in the Real Housewives of Salt Lake City.