Yasi chats with New Yorker staff writer, Pulitzer prize–winning author, and known Pavement aficionado Hua Hsu about the 2025 film 'Pavements.' Is it a documentary? Is it a biopic? Is it a secret third thing? Did we like it? All these questions and more are answered. Plus, Yasi has a nice long chat with director Alex Ross Perry about the film and several other things, including but not limited to his take on vocal fry, 'Some Kind Of Monster,' and different approaches to mythmaking.

Host: Yasi Salek
Guest: Hua Hsu and Alex Ross Perry
Audio Editor: Kevin Pooler
Additional Production Supervision: Justin Sayles
Theme Song: Bethany Cosentino

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