We asked the great Mark Richards to join us because it suddenly struck us: here’s someone who won four world titles in a row with no coaching, no diet advice, no personal strength trainer, and a bunch of self-shaped twin-fins. How many might he have won with all of that?? But there’s so much more to MR than coaching or any of that stuff. In this, his very first podcast appearance, the humble and clear-minded Mark explores the Cone of Silence, Gerry Lopez’s artistic power planing skills, his two week apprenticeship with Dick Brewer, why he loves wave pool contests, his lifelong surf trip jinx, and sends Nick and Hannah away convinced that he’s their favourite world champion ever.