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Hard questions sharpen our compassion and our logic. We sit down with Dr. Matt Clark—physician, pastor, and executive director of Personhood South Carolina—to trace personhood from Genesis to the Constitution and ask what equal protection really demands before and after birth. Drawing on scripture, state law, and firsthand stories from clinic sidewalks, we examine why carving out abortion as an exception clashes with both moral clarity and legal consistency, and how misdirected compassion can actually deepen harm for women and children.

We unpack the core claim that all humans bear the image of God and explore how the Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments, along with South Carolina’s unborn victims statute, already recognize the life at stake. From there, we tackle the volatile idea that mothers should always be treated as victims, contrasting real cases of coercion—where defenses and conditional immunity apply—with candid admissions of intent that juries are equipped to weigh. We talk frankly about conscience, guilt, and the long tail of post-abortion pain the literature has documented, arguing that truth in love offers a path to mercy that denial cannot.

Justice and mercy meet in distinct spheres: the state’s ministry of justice restrains evil, while the church’s ministry of grace proclaims forgiveness through Christ. We clarify current bills, dispel the fear of automatic death penalties, and point to real-world sentencing patterns that leave room for mercy. Finally, we share details on the upcoming Statehouse press conference and hearing, and how long-term support—prayer, district teams, and monthly gifts—helps build a culture where both mother and child are protected.

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