Welcome back to the show, this week we are joined by my business partner and friend, Bakker Shields. In this episode, Bakker discusses the importance of relationship building, overcoming challenges in the SaaS world, and the levels of problem-solving. He emphasizes the need for persistence and continuous innovation in business, and highlights the significance of understanding clients and industry trends, building trust and connection, and leading by example. He also talks about the value of content creation, personal branding, and giving away information while selling implementation. We then start the conversation around the government ban on TikTok, including the reasons the government is citing for the initiative. The conversation continues with the idea of a potential power play in TikTok's sale, the impact of TikTok's ban on businesses, the line of control and freedom, the uncertainty of TikTok's future, and the importance of building your own database.