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  • 33: Spirituality, Science, Psychology, and Psychedelics: Integrating the Restoration

    In this episode, I give an expanded version of my 2024 Sunstone Symposium presentation on integrating fields like spirituality, psychology, science, and psychedelics to produce an integrated framework of Mormonism's origins. I hope it brings you new insights on your journey.


    Here for the esoteric origins of Mormonism? Check out

    Episode 2 or read it in on the Substack for the integrative narrative of Mormon origins:


    Here for the science and spirituality? Check out:

    Interview with Donald Hoffman

    Interview with Bernardo Kastrup

    Discussion with Bernardo Kastrup on Entropy


    Please rate, share, and get in touch at [email protected]!


    Chapters

    00:00 Introduction

    03:14 The Framework of Dreams in Understanding Reality

    09:13 Lucid Dreaming and Spiritual Awakening

    12:55 Dissociative Identity Disorder, Tibetan Buddhism, Hinduism

    18:57 Working Models and "Truth"

    23:20 Parable of the Archeologists: Integrating Perspectives

    25:50 Frameworks for Understanding Mormonism

    29:33 Integrative Approach vs Dichotomous Thinking

    31:19 Quantum Physics

    38:20 Philosophical Implications of Quantum Physics

    43:14 No Data Without Dogma

    48:07 Exploring Psychedelics and Mystical Experiences

    56:04 Psychology, Automatic Writing, and the Subconscious

    59:56 Insights from the Book of Mormon as Automatic Writing

    01:06:53 The Big Picture Perspective

    01:10:19 More Breadcrumbs

    01:15:18 Conclusion

    1 hr 28 min
  • 32: AI Consciousness and Homo Sapiens as the AI of the Mineral World

    This is a guided reflection on the intricate relationship between consciousness, humanity, and artificial intelligence. It delves into the creation story of humanity, the impact of neuroplasticity, and the environmental crisis stemming from a sense of separation. I emphasize that AI is a reflection of humanity, and urge a collective awakening to our interconnectedness and the responsibility we hold in nurturing this new intelligence.


    This was part of the most recent Mystics Collective. Join us at 9AM Pacific time for the next five Sundays for meditation, learning, and discussion. Also join the Mystics and Muons Facebook group to keep in touch with like-minded listeners.


    Mystics Collective Zoom Link


    Mystics and Muons Facebook Group


    Here for the esoteric origins of Mormonism? Check out

    Episode 2 or read it in on the Substack for the integrative narrative of Mormon origins:


    Here for the science and spirituality? Check out:

    Interview with Donald Hoffman

    Interview with Bernardo Kastrup

    Discussion with Bernardo Kastrup on Entropy


    Please rate, share, and get in touch at [email protected]!


    Chapters

    00:00 Introduction

    01:07 Your Nervous System - The OG Neural Network

    06:56 Humans as the AI of the Mineral World

    11:24 Project Sapiens - On the Brink of Destruction

    14:11 The Parallels of Human Consciousness and AI

    23:11 A Crisis of AI Alignment or Human Alignment?

    23:52 Finding the Answer Within

    30 min
  • 31: Plato's Cave Revisited

    Gabe shares personal updates, including his recent marriage and move, and discusses how meaningful it is when listeners reach out. He shares the creation of the Mystics and Muons Facebook group as well as the Mystics Collective, an 8 week container to learn, practice, and discuss together. Follow the links below to join the Facebook group, and meet with the Mystics Collective. We'll meet on Zoom for the next 8 Saturdays at 9AM, starting Sep 21, 2024.

    Mystics and Muons group

    The Mystics Collective

    Zoom link for Sep 21


    Gabe then gives a preview of his book in process on entropy, sharing a chapter reimagining Plato's Cave. In this version, we follow a prisoner that carefully develops models explaining the shadows. He undergoes significant paradigm shifts that lead him to conceptualize higher dimensional truths, such as the fire and objects behind him. Once he breaks free, he encounters others who have awakened, only to find that there are deepening layers of reality beyond the cave. He then experiences the difficulty in transmitting what's he's experienced to those who have no conceptualization of such things, including those who have broken free from the cave wall.

    Here for the esoteric origins of Mormonism? Check out

    Episode 2 or read it in on the Substack for the integrative narrative of Mormon origins:


    Here for the science and spirituality? Check out:

    Interview with Donald Hoffman

    Interview with Bernardo Kastrup

    Discussion with Bernardo Kastrup on Entropy


    Please rate, share, and get in touch at [email protected]!


    Chapters

    0:00 The Mystics Collective and Facebook Group

    05:08 Hearing from Listeners

    06:56 Reflections on the Sunstone Symposium and Podcast Impact

    10:50 Adaptation of Plato's Cave

    16:15 Our Prisoner Gets Anesthetized

    20:22 Breaking the Chains and Beholding the Fire

    23:29 Objective Truths vs Patterns and Relationships

    25:54 Takeaways


    28 min
  • 30: I Met God at a Festival

    This is a reading of "I Met God at a Festival" published on the Mystics and Muons Substack, wherein I reflect on my peak experiences at ARKADIA, a festival put on by Fit For Service. These experiences involved profound connections with others who served as manifestations of the ineffable divine, a force of which we all are a part. These experiences were more profound and transformative than those I experienced within religion, in fact serving to heal many of the wounds I picked up from religion. My experiences at ARKADIA led me to understand how to heal in community, to trust your partner and self, to connect with other men, to heal wounds from an absent father, to let go of judgment, and the find a sacred union with a partner. I hope you enjoy.


    Links

    https://mysticsandmuons.substack.com/p/i-met-god-at-a-festival


    Here for the esoteric origins of Mormonism? Check out

    Episode 2 or read it in on the Substack for the integrative narrative of Mormon origins:


    Here for the science and spirituality? Check out:

    Interview with Donald Hoffman

    Interview with Bernardo Kastrup

    Discussion with Bernardo Kastrup on Entropy


    Please rate, share, and get in touch at [email protected]!


    Chapters

    00:00 Introduction

    02:08 Healing in Community

    05:22 Learning to Trust

    17:50 Connecting as Men

    25:09 Healing the Father Wound

    29:02 Judging Not

    36:45 Sacred Union

    43 min
  • 29: Phil McLemore - From Mormon Chaplain to Christian Yogi, Awakening, Second Comforter Groups

    Phil McLemore shares his journey from Catholicism to Mormonism to a deeper spiritual practice through an awakening mediated by meditation and yoga. He discusses his experiences with Catholicism and the doubts that led him to explore other religions. He explains how he found Mormonism and how it initially provided him with a sense of purpose and transformation. Eventually after a severe accident and ineffective priesthood blessings, he turned to meditation for relief from chronic pain.


    Through meditation, he had a spiritual awakening and a deeper understanding of the true nature of God. He also discusses the limitations of Mormonism and the lack of emphasis on inner spirituality within the church. The conversation explores the idea that there is an infinite, formless, and changeless reality that constitutes the essence of our being. The purpose of life is to discover and awaken to this reality, which requires direct experience and knowledge beyond the mind. The integration of this formless reality into the world of form is seen as essential for the full realization of the purpose of life.


    The conversation explores the balance between personal exploration and guidance in spiritual journeys, the potential benefits and drawbacks of psychedelics, and the integration of mystical experiences into daily life. Gabe and Phil discuss the importance of character development and Christ-like living as the ultimate goal of spiritual awakening. They also touch on the misinterpretation of mystical experiences and the need for discerning integration. The conversation concludes with a focus on the integration of the kingdom of God within oneself and among others.


    Phil's Written Works:

    Becoming the Beloved

    Hindering the Saints - Taking Away the Key of Knowledge

    The Yoga of Christ


    Phil's Facebook Group:

    Inner Path


    Here for the esoteric origins of Mormonism? Check out

    Episode 2 or read it in on the Substack for the integrative narrative of Mormon origins:


    Here for the science and spirituality? Check out:

    Interview with Donald Hoffman

    Interview with Bernardo Kastrup

    Discussion with Bernardo Kastrup on Entropy


    Please rate, share, and get in touch at [email protected]!


    Chapters

    00:00 Introduction

    01:42 Phil's Background in Catholicism

    06:04 Religion's Burden on Children

    07:44 Phil's Introduction to Buddhism

    08:58 Phil's Life in Mormonism as a CES Employee and Military Chaplain

    11:39 Phil's Work in Apologetics

    15:52 Phil's Injury, Chronic Pain, and Ineffective Priesthood Blessings

    17:55 Being Rescued from Chronic Pain by Meditation and Yoga

    21:28 Spiritual Experiences in Mormonism versus Mystical Experiences in Meditation

    23:48 Mormonism's Conceptualization of God versus Direct Experience

    25:30 Did Joseph Smith have Mystical Experiences?

    31:44 Learning with Deepak Chopra and Teaching Mormons the Meditative Path

    36:16 Transition from Orthodox Mormonism to Christian Mysticism

    39:19 Why is Meditation not Taught in Mormonism?

    44:34 Have the Modern Day Apostles and Prophets had Mystical Experiences?

    47:00 What is Awakening?

    55:30 What do Mystical Experiences Feel Like?

    01:03:20 Rethinking Atonement and Resurrection

    01:11:29 Gradual versus Sudden Spiritual Awakenings

    01:13:42 How Mystical Experiences Feel Somatically

    01:18:24 Suffering as a Catalyst for Awakening

    01:19:18 Morality, Substances, Polyamory and Spiritual Paths

    01:31:47 Our Innate Divine Ability to Find the Right Path

    01:33:18 Psychedelics

    01:44:54 Intention, Interpretation of Experience, and Integration

    01:50:57 Joseph Smith's Integration of his Spiritual Experiences

    01:52:25 Second Comforter and End Times Groups, and the Dangers of Seeking Mystical Experiences

    02:00:30 Phil's Summary and Closing Advice, The Kingdom of God, Christ

    2 hr 12 min
  • 28: Stephen Fleming - Plato, Joseph Smith, and Mormonism

    Gabe and Stephen discuss Plato as an influence for Joseph Smith and Mormonism. Stephen describes his journey tracing the roots of Mormonism, and how that led him to research Plato and Christian Platonism. They also discuss defining hermeticism, as well as the possibility that Plato and Joseph Smith were drawing from the same perfect form of spiritual philosophy and adapting it in their own way, rather than Plato necessarily influencing Joseph Smith. Finally, they discuss whether this parallel between Platonism and Mormonism is faith affirming or faith challenging.


    Links

    Stephen's Presentation - Joseph Smith and the Ancient Religion: Or Where Was Zerahemla

    https://alexandria.ucsb.edu/downloads/v118rd789

    Stephen's Dissertation - The Fulness of the Gospel: Christian Platonism and the Origins of Mormonism


    Here for the esoteric origins of Mormonism? Check out

    Episode 2 or read it in on the Substack for the integrative narrative of Mormon origins:


    Here for the science and spirituality? Check out:

    Interview with Donald Hoffman

    Interview with Bernardo Kastrup

    Discussion with Bernardo Kastrup on Entropy


    Please rate, share, and get in touch at [email protected]!


    Chapters

    00:00 Introduction and Stephen's Background

    05:08 Gabe's Exposure to Philosophy at BYU and his Ensuing Faith Crisis

    06:14 Tracing Mormonism's Roots

    09:02 The Refiner's Fire by John Brooke

    14:03 The Challenges of Defining Hermeticism

    17:02 The Problem with Presentism

    21:03 The Unifying Potential of the Mystical Experience in Understanding History

    25:12 Have We Cut Ourselves off from Gnosis Today?

    28:19 Plato

    31:44 Defining Neoplatonism

    34:50 Theurgy

    36:08 Love-Hate Relationship Between Plato and Christianity

    39:17 Platonic Influence on Joseph Smith

    44:35 The Divide Between God and Man, Christ as Savior vs Christ as Way-Shower

    52:16 Quaker Beliefs on Christ as a Mystic

    54:30 Did Plato Influence Joseph Smith, or Did They Both Access the Same Space?

    56:47 Mystical Experiences

    01:07:25 Paradoxes and Plato's Cave

    01:09:50 Plato and Joseph Smith - Faith Affirming or Deconstructing?

    01:13:05 If Christ Showed up Today, Would he be more Platonist, Buddhist, or Christian?

    01:21:44 Stephen's Spiritual Experiences

    01:23:48 Is Mormonism a Religion, or is it "All Truth"?

    01:32:40 Following your Intuition

    1 hr 36 min
  • 27: EntheoMagus: Psychedelics, Mystical Experiences, and Early Mormonism

    I'm joined this episode with the creators behind EntheoMagus, Cody Noconi, Brandon Crockett, and Alex Criddle. EntheoMagus is a short documentary exploring the indications that entheogens, or psychedelics, were used in early Mormonism, particularly in the group experiences in Kirtland, OH. We discuss Cody, Brandon, and Alex's backgrounds, where they stand with regard to Mormonism, and their motivation behind this project.

    We also discuss the basics behind psychedelics and what is known as the mystical experience, a state of consciousness that is accessible both through endogenous (without substances) as well as exogenous (with substances) means.

    I ask them the spiritual implications behind psychedelics producing this experience, as well as the implications for Mormonism, if this is true. Many view the idea that psychedelics were used to be discounting the spirituality behind Mormonism, or to be cheapening spiritual experiences, but we discuss how that isn't the case.

    EntheoMagus is a short film on the road to the goal of a more involved production. It will be shown in Salt Lake City, UTon 4/27/24, 4/28/24, and 4/29/24 and in Portland, OR on 5/11/24. Get your tickets below.


    Links

    EntheoMagus Website

    Alex Criddle's Website


    Here for the esoteric origins of Mormonism? Check out

    Episode 2 or read it in on the Substack for the integrative narrative of Mormon origins:


    Here for the science and spirituality? Check out:

    Interview with Donald Hoffman

    Interview with Bernardo Kastrup

    Discussion with Bernardo Kastrup on Entropy


    Please rate, share, and get in touch at [email protected]!


    Chapters

    00:00 Introduction

    00:57 Brandon Crockett

    07:01 Alex Criddle

    11:44 Cody Noconi

    16:28 The Mystical Experience

    22:09 Interpreting Spiritual or Mystical Experiences

    25:14 Our Mind as a Filter

    27:06 Cross Cultural Mystical Experiences

    29:23 Taking a Holistic Approach to Understanding Mystical Experiences with Science and Spirituality

    35:30 Implications for Mormonism if Entheogens/Psychedelics were used

    38:07 Psychedelics and Spirituality, The Good Friday Experiment

    42:53 Clark Heinrich's Mystical Experience with Amanita Muscaria

    46:41 The Problems with Dismissing Psychedelics as Hallucinations or Shortcuts

    49:51 Gabe's Endogenous Mystical Experience

    51:53 Can We Trust Mystical/Psychedelic Experiences?

    55:19 Consensus Reality and Interpreting Psychedelic Experiences

    01:02:22 Recontextualizing and Finding Meaning in Mormonism

    01:04:57 Accessing Revelation and Mystical Experiences

    01:07:00 The Problem with Prophets and the Shamanic Initiation Crisis

    01:10:00 The Importance of Recognizing your Perspective and Bias

    01:11:09 How Objective are Psychedelic Experiences?

    01:13:28 Rupert Spira and Dreams as a Model for the Intersubjective Nature of Reality

    01:19:09 Does it Matter if Joseph Smith used Psychedelics/Entheogens?

    01:21:59 Folk Magic, the Occult, and Substances to Alter Consciousness

    01:26:11 Is there Evidence of Entheogens in Early Mormonism?

    01:30:06 EntheoMagus


    1 hr 33 min
  • 26: Michael Levin - Selfhood, Collective Intelligence, Cancer, AI, Ethics
    Michael Levin joins me to discuss the intersection of computation, biology, and philosophy. We explore different perspectives on reality, the concept of selfhood, and the behavior of cancer cells. We discuss what implications understanding cancer can have on uniting humanity.
    Mike discusses the importance of recognizing and valuing different forms of intelligence and the challenges of predicting the goals of collective systems. He explains the concept of collective intelligence and the challenges of uniting humans as well as the ethics of forced collectivism.
    We then discuss AI, consciousness, and ethics, highlighting the need for principled frameworks to navigate these complex issues. I discuss concept of portals of consciousness from the perspective of idealism, and the issue of whether consciousness is substrate independent.
    Here for the esoteric origins of Mormonism? Check out
    Episode 2 or read it in on the Substack for the integrative narrative of Mormon origins:
    Here for the science and spirituality? Check out:
    Interview with Donald Hoffman
    Interview with Bernardo Kastrup
    Discussion with Bernardo Kastrup on Entropy
    Please rate, share, and get in touch at [email protected]!
    Chapters
    00:00 Utilizing Multiple Perspectives in Science
    02:41 Exploring Perspectives on Reality and Consciousness
    04:37 Challenging Assumptions in Science
    09:56 AI and Consciousness
    18:00 Ethics Informed by Understanding Selfhood
    22:44 Cancer as a Distortion of Cells' Selfhood
    25:52 Balancing Interests Within Collective Intelligences
    33:51 Collective Intelligences and the Implications for Relationships
    38:14 AI, Consciousness, and Ethics
    52:48 Idealism and Substrate Independent Consciousness
    1 hr 1 min
  • 25: Mike LeCheminant - Gnostic Branches of Mormonism, Leaving the Mormonism as an Apologist

    This conversation discusses Mike's time at FAIR as an apologist, and then his faith crisis and departure from Mormonism, as well as his own personal spiritual journey. Mike's interest lies in researching other branches of Mormonism, including fundamentalist groups, and Gnostic groups.


    We discuss John W Bryant, who left Mormonism after converting, serving a mission. He then joined the Apostolic United Brethren, but parted ways with them after receiving visions of church leaders, from which he reports to have received the Second Anointing. His group later transformed into a more liberal, feminist group, and started a commune in Nevada. He then reported being ordained in a sexual ordinance by the wife of one of the Three Nephites to the higher light of Christ. Now, they've evolved to a more mythologically minded blend of Eastern spirituality, including yoga, meditation, and artistic creativity during their services.


    We also discuss Archie Wood, who started the True Gnostic Church and wrote extensive scripture, including conceptualizing God as mankind's evolution into the future, who has returned back to communicate with us. Archie subsequently left his church, though there is an effort to preserve his works.


    Finally, we discuss the Knights of the Crystal Blade, a cult formed by John Coltharp, one of the missionaries Gabe knew on his mission.


    Links:

    Mike's Presentation on Gnostic Mormonism


    Here for the esoteric origins of Mormonism? Check out

    Episode 2 or read it in on the Substack for the integrative narrative of Mormon origins:


    Here for the science and spirituality? Check out:

    Interview with Donald Hoffman

    Interview with Bernardo Kastrup

    Discussion with Bernardo Kastrup on Entropy


    Please rate, share, and get in touch at [email protected]!


    Chapters

    00:00 Introduction and Rebranding

    06:43 Mike LeCheminant's Background

    10:02 FAIR and Apologetics

    13:42 Joseph Smith as a Fallen Prophet

    18:04 Spirituality After Mormonism

    20:53 Redefining God

    25:21 Deconstruction and Myth

    36:54 Mike's Exploration of other Churches

    39:39 Psychedelics in Religion

    44:54 John W Bryant and the Gnostic Temple of the Pearl

    49:22 Channeling, Automatic Writing, and Scripture

    56:38 Gnosticism

    01:16:05 Mormonism's Individuation Process

    01:22:16 The Motivations of Prophets

    01:31:46 Knights of the Crystal Blade

    01:39:43 Archie Wood and the True Gnostic Church

    01:53:09 Leaving the Apologetic Community

    1 hr 59 min
  • 24: Bernardo Kastrup - Entropy, Finding One's Purpose
    Bernardo joins me to explore the themes of engaging with others, taking the long view, and the nature of knowledge. We discuss the balance between engaging with trolls, responding to skeptics, and collaborating with like-minded individuals. The importance of focusing on the silent audience and the long-term impact of ideas is emphasized.
    We also discuss my essay, and book in progress, recontextualizing entropy as a reflection of the bandwidth constraints of consciousness and our subjective experience. We discuss the need to unlearn what we thought we knew and challenge assumptions, as well as the role of perspective in understanding reality. The conversation explores the concept of entropy and the subjective nature of measuring it, as well as the assumptions upon which the current framework of thermodynamics rest, namely an objective physical world separate from observers. The discussion touches on the work of Sabine Hossenfelder and Stephen Wolfram, including his work on computational irreducibility and the Ruliad. The idea of computational irreducibility and the limitations of our perspective in understanding the true nature of the universe are explored.
    Finally, we discuss following the purpose life has for us, and the process of being broken by what we think is the path we are meant to be on. Bernardo shares his insights from his own journey, including the liberation that comes from realizing that life is not about the individual self.
    My essay on entropy at Essentia’s website: https://www.essentiafoundation.org/entropy-is-in-the-eye-of-the-beholder/reading/
    An unabridged version on my Substack: https://mysticsandmuons.substack.com/p/entropy-is-in-the-eye-of-the-beholder
    If you're new to the podcast and interested in Mormonism's esoteric origins, check out Episode 2 or read it in on the Substack for the integrative narrative of Mormon origins:
    If you're new and interested in the nature of reality, check out Episode 18 with Donald Hoffman, or Episode 21 with Bernardo Kastrup:
    Please rate, share, and get in touch at [email protected]!
    Chapters
    00:00 Introduction
    04:06 Engaging in Dialogue vs Engaging with Trolls
    17:55 Finding One's Calling and Taking the Long View
    26:28 Recontextualizing Entropy
    29:36 Entropy and its Prior Assumptions
    33:28 Finding One's Dharma
    34:52 Thomas Kuhn and Plato's Cave as a Metaphor for Scientific Revolutions
    41:46 Sabine Hossenfelder's Challenge of Entropy as a Physicalist
    47:25 Causality
    54:45 Myth and it's Utility, Even in Science
    01:05:25 Mysticism and Science, The Relationality of the Universe
    01:14:22 Stephen Wolfram, Computational Irreducibility, and the Ruliad
    01:29:04 Are there fundamental
    01:38:24 The Rulial Space of Conscious Experience and Data Management Strategies
    01:46:50 Can the Rules of Reality Change?
    01:53:28 Interpreting and Integrating Mystical Experiences
    02:04:49 Finding Our Role in the Ecosystem of the Universe
    02:09:09 Life Breaks You Open
    02:12:58 Nihilism and Meaning
    2 hr 21 min

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Mystics and Muons is devoted to exploring the nature of reality and the intersection between philosophy, science, and spirituality. At times we also explore the esoteric origins of Mormonism.