Mystics and Muons

Gabe and Keith discuss various topics related to personal growth, Oregon's Measure 109 legalizing psilocybin services, and the state of the world. They explore the concept of sovereignty and the importance of taking responsibility for one's own life. They also discuss the symbolism of events and the power of perspective. The conversation emphasizes the interconnectedness of individuals and the role of love and integration in creating a better world. The conversation explores love, and the concept of good and evil. It also discusses the shift out of dualistic thinking.

Links

www.KeithGilmore.com

New to the podcast? Make sure you watch Episode 2 or read it in on the Substack for the integrative narrative of Mormon origins:

https://youtu.be/5YBeMrR1seM

https://open.substack.com/pub/mormonsmysticsandmuons/p/mormonism-psychedelics-quantum-physics

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Chapters

00:00 Introduction and Background

03:56 Keith's Role as President of the Portland Psychedelic Society

07:14 Oregon's Measure 109 - Psilocybin Services

14:55 Significance of Expected MDMA and Psilocybin Legalization Within Therapy

22:45 Paradoxes, Polarities, and Finding Balance

28:24 The Sovereignty of Perspective

36:46 Finding Meaning

45:24 Different Substitutes for Meaning

51:39 Seeing Each Other as Brothers and Sisters, Healing the World by Healing Yourself

58:10 Idealism and Ethics

01:04:21 Danger of Dogma

01:06:47 Being Good Through Integration

01:12:30 Defining Evil

01:20:49 The Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil, and Duality

01:23:09 Baby's Splitting of Mother = Humanity's Splitting of God

01:25:41 Shifting from Dualistic Thinking

01:27:09 Conclusion

Gabe and River discuss topics related to idealism, consciousness, and the nature of reality. They explore River's paper on idealism and its connection to Stephen Wolfram's work, as well as Gabe's experiences with Kundalini awakening and his exploration of entropy. They discuss different perspectives on the Ruliad and consciousness, the nature of time and the past, and the value of embracing paradox and limitations. The role of chaos and order in consciousness is examined, along with the connection between information and relationships. The discussion also touches on the cyclical nature of materialism and the incompleteness of models. The relationship between quantum mechanics and consciousness is discussed, as well as the role of AI in the collective consciousness. The future of consciousness are also examined, along with the dream as a model of consciousness. The conversation explores the grand purpose of life and the practical implications of finding meaning and purpose.

River's Work:

Twitter/X - https://twitter.com/RiverKanies - @RiverKanies

LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/river-kanies-95706389/

Podcast:

Spotify - https://open.spotify.com/show/6jwZYOYh6r0vFNvSzE2jO4

Apple - https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/i-am-stupid/id1664884643

CyberMonk App:

iOS - https://apps.apple.com/us/app/cybermonk/id6471553744

web - https://app.cybermonk.art/

android - [coming soon]

New to the podcast? Make sure you watch Episode 2 or read it in on the Substack for the integrative narrative of Mormon origins:

https://youtu.be/5YBeMrR1seM

https://open.substack.com/pub/mormonsmysticsandmuons/p/mormonism-psychedelics-quantum-physics

Please rate, share, and get in touch at [email protected]!

00:00 Introduction

03:30 River's Paper on Idealism and Wolfram's Work

07:38 Gabe's Kundalini Awakening

11:14 Entropy as an Artifact of Observers' Computational Bounds

22:15 Reality: Exploring the Computational Space of all Conscious Experiences

26:21 Computational Bounds and the Ruliad

31:24 Observers Exist within the Ruliad as Perspectives

33:19 Time as the Iteration through Permutations of Conscious Experience

37:07 Photogrammetry as a Model of Models of Reality

39:55 Seeing and Hearing in 2D, but Upsampling to 3D

41:44 Embracing Paradox and the Value of Limitations

43:54 Identifying not as the Query in the Infinite Database, but the Coder

49:43 The Intersubjective Nature of Reality

57:27 Ordering Chaos Through Dimensions

01:00:36 Limits of Reductionism due to the Balance of Order and Chaos

01:04:30 The Computational View vs. Reductionism

01:06:52 Using Recursion to Colonize the Ruliad

01:09:57 Quantum Physics as the Divine Spark

01:13:16 Information and Models Must be Ordered Hierarchically

01:23:14 The Trajectory of Consciousness

01:25:48 The Role of AI in Consciousness

01:31:05 Dreams Illustrate the Substrate Independence of Consciousness

01:35:40 Assembly Theory

01:37:55 The Learning Process of Reality

01:41:54 Dreams as a Roadmap for the Future of Consciousness

01:47:43 The Meaning of Existence

01:51:28 The Death of Meaning, and Meaning on the Other Side of Nihilism

01:52:45 Setting Collective Meaning

01:57:37 Finding Meaning in Suffering

02:02:03 AI as a Catalyst for Change

02:07:51 The Only Free Will we have is what Perspective to Adopt

02:12:32 Perspective is the Difference between Armageddon and the Millennium

02:14:56 Polarities are Necessary

02:15:51 Seeking to Catalyze Change for Others, Rather than Seeking to Change Them

02:18:25 Embody Change Rather than Evangelize

02:19:59 CyberMonk App

02:21:22 Reality as a Conversation Between its Parts

Bernardo Kastrup, with PhDs in both philosophy and computer engineering, joins me in a wide-ranging discussion on reality. We discuss the concept of truth, how we use models to understand reality, and the illusion that we've figured it all, or even can. We explore dreams and dissociative identity disorder as models for a deeper understanding of reality through the lens of idealism. We discuss the religious nature with which some espouse atheism, how ethics emerge from idealism, and the problem of evil.

Links

Check out Bernardo's work with Essentia Foundation, dedicated to furthering scientific exploration of consciousness and reality past the clutches of materialism.

BernardoKastrup.com

Gabe's essay "Entropy is in the Eye of of the Beholder" - Essentia Foundation or Substack (Unabridged)

We're taught that man was created in God's image. The more I heal as a father, the more I realize that wounded fathers and mothers created God in their own image.

This is a reading of the most recent post on the Mormons, Mystics, and Muons Substack.

Links:

Mormons, Mystics, and Muons Substack

This episode is a presentation given at the Mormonism and Western Esotericism's Facebook group fall conference. The focus is on integrating the different approaches to explaining Mormonism, including freemasonry, magic, entheogens, neoplatonism, an orthodox interpretation, and the pious fraud narrative. By moving away from a black and white approach, where one narrative is the predominant explanation, and instead integrating all of these perspectives, one gets a much more coherent narrative of Mormonism's origins.

For a much more deeper dive on an integration of these narratives, see episode 2: https://open.spotify.com/episode/3geZJmA7faDgyvnV09hit7?si=53e5beed765a48c6

Full conference: https://youtu.be/wRgP80ez1t0?si=9_A07SKjoA87Ho88

Donald Hoffman discusses his work as a cognitive neuroscientist, exploring how consciousness is fundamental instead of matter, and how evolutionary theory itself indicates that we don't perceive reality objectively, but instead have constructed space and time as an interface into a deeper fundamental reality. He discusses his journey integrating science and spirituality, as well as pushback he's gotten from others within the science community because his work calls into question the fundamental tenets their theories have been built upon. Check the TED talk and Lex Fridman links below for shallow and deep dives into his work.

TED Talk - https://youtu.be/oYp5XuGYqqY?si=1ciPZmeFLNp-Nuj4

Lex Fridman interview - https://youtu.be/reYdQYZ9Rj4?si=CWs1yyk59Je3B40K

Grant Palmer wrote in 2013, and stated on Mormon Stories, that he had a general authority who had lost his testimony. After both Palmer and the general authority had passed, John Dehlin revealed in 2020 that the general authority was F. Enzio Busche, an emeritus member of the first quorum of the 70. However, one Redditor had tracked down and spoke with Enzio Busche years earlier. That encounter not only challenged Palmer's narrative, but also revealed that, rather than having lost his testimony of Mormonism, Enzio Busche instead held esoteric or New Age beliefs, including that Joseph Smith and Jesus Christ were "ascended masters." This episodes covers the relevant posts related to this story.

Links

Screenshot of John Dehlin's post explaining his motivation - https://i.redd.it/0f58oop23o751.jpg

Grant Palmer's account of his meetings with Busche - https://journeyofloyaldissent.wordpress.com/2013/04/06/6/

Reddit comment by one who found Busche years before the disclosure - https://www.reddit.com/r/mormon/comments/7ihkil/i_have_been_asked_why_i_wrote_a_letter_to_an/

Additional Reddit comment by the same individual after the disclosure - https://www.reddit.com/r/mormon/comments/hgef3i/f_enzio_busche/

New to the podcast? Make sure you watch Episode 2 or read it in on the Substack for the integrative narrative of Mormon origins:

https://youtu.be/5YBeMrR1seM

https://open.substack.com/pub/mormonsmysticsandmuons/p/mormonism-psychedelics-quantum-physics

Please rate, share, and get in touch at [email protected]!

Chapters

00:00 Grant Palmer and Dehlin's Reveal

02:27 F. Enzio Busche's Spiritual Beliefs

05:03 Grant Palmer's Report of Meetings with Busche

10:08 Reddit Posts about Busche's Beliefs

13:23 Joseph Smith and Jesus Christ as Ascended Masters

18:45 Busche Challenging Palmer's Account

23:10 Reddit Post about Busche's Belief from a Second Hand Account of a Former Missionary Under Busche

25:56 What do the Authorities Believe?

31:00 Recontextualizing Spiritual Experiences

37:05 Conclusion

Gabe is interviewed by Valentina from the Stories of Awakening podcast on his journey from Mormonism, through agnosticism, to integrating science and spirituality. He discusses his childhood, the influence of Mormonism's emphasis on morality, and the shifts that began during his divorce and dive into psychology. He also describes the unexpected mystical experiences he experienced in what matches the eastern concept of a kundalini awakening.

Check out Episode 6 for a comparison of Gabe's experience with a scientific journal article on people's self reported spontaneous spiritual awakenings or kundalini awakenings:https://open.spotify.com/episode/5H7eRqqE3D5iapoJTTqunz?si=-K95df7pQNyRQuTqd-Ykhw

New to the podcast? Make sure you watch Episode 2 or read it in on the Substack for the integrative narrative of Mormon origins:

https://open.spotify.com/episode/3geZJmA7faDgyvnV09hit7?si=Kh4OfwetT62GIZKCClhgGQ

https://open.substack.com/pub/mormonsmysticsandmuons/p/mormonism-psychedelics-quantum-physics

Please rate, share, and get in touch at [email protected]!

Check out Valentina's podcast:

Spotify - https://open.spotify.com/show/5tVlxcXEMWAuK6m0SGG3Rt

Apple - https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/stories-of-awakening/id1668076703

Youtube - https://www.youtube.com/@valentinamarulli9526

Chapters

00:00 Introduction

03:14 Hesitancy Sharing Mystical Experiences

10:15 The Importance of Sharing Experiences

11:48 Start of Interview

14:04 The Influence of Mormonism

15:22 Mormonism's Rules on Morality

17:30 Family Life

19:42 Childhood Trauma

23:08 Rules and Self Regulation

25:51 Childhood Shame

28:33 Intellectualizing vs Spirituality

31:05 Mormon Mission

33:23 College, Dental School, Marriage

35:13 Leaving Mormonism

39:15 Losing your Moral and Spiritual Framework

46:22 Intuition During Agnosticism

51:01 Exploring Psychology

58:35 Kundalini Awakening Experiences

01:01:18 Involuntary Contractions/Kriyas

01:03:03 Sensation of Kundalini Energy in the Spine

01:06:04 Less Need of Sleep

01:10:52 Bliss States

01:14:23 Downloads

01:16:09 Carl Jung on Kundalini

01:18:25 Visual Experiences

01:22:25 Difficulty Interpreting and Integrating Experiences

01:24:34 Lucid Dreaming and Life as a Dream

01:29:16 Derealization and Solipsism

01:30:09 Synchronicity with "Waking Life" Movie

01:36:36 What Dreams Teach us about Living Life

01:40:20 Somatic Sensation of Trauma Release/Nervous System Rewiring

01:44:14 Synchronicities

01:46:35 Psychic and Precognitive Experiences

01:50:35 Channeling or Witness Perspective

01:55:05 Continued Expanded States of Awareness after Kundalini Awakening

02:01:13 Conclusion ​​

Rieki Master Valentina Marulli joins us today to describe the beginnings of Reiki, and its similarities with the concept of the priesthood within mormonism. We discuss Mikao Usui's mystical experience after fasting and meditating for 21 days, how Reiki compares with the priesthood, and which one has clinical evidence supporting its effectiveness.

Please leave a review, share with a friend, and get in touch at [email protected] with feedback or topics you'd like to see us cover.

Links:

Stories of Awakening Podcast - https://anchor.fm/valentina-marulli

Valentina's Website - https://soul-vale.com

Valentina's Instagram - https://instagram.com/soulvale?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=

Reiki Study - https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5871310/

This is the reading of a written piece making a case for increasing entropy as an artifact of the way conscious agents apply serial lossy downsampling of an infinitely complex reality, rather than as a trait inherent in the universe.

Essentially, entropy is a measure about the information we have about a system, which is always subject to the bandwidth constraints of consciousness. These bandwidth constraints result in continual downsampling or compression of reality from moment to moment, resulting in a compounding loss of information. This results in the perception of increasing entropy as experienced by the observer. This perception is largely consistent between observers, since we as observers are part of the system being observed, and therefore experience a certain measure of consensus reality. I then argue that entropy actually decreases for the observer with injections of information about the system, which appears as increasing the bandwidth which is dictating the downsampling or compression of reality. This occurs through evolution, as well as through the arc of one's life from newborn to adult, but can also occur by increasing one's state of awareness through practices like meditation. I argue that within idealism, there is no such thing as a closed system.

Link:

Substack Link - https://mormonsmysticsandmuons.substack.com/p/entropy-is-in-the-eye-of-the-beholder

Essentia Article - https://www.essentiafoundation.org/entropy-is-in-the-eye-of-the-beholder/

Please leave a review, share with a friend, and get in touch at [email protected] with feedback or topics you'd like to see us cover.

Chapters

00:00 Introduction

01:31 Entropy and the Second Law of Thermodynamics

04:18 Objections to the Second Law

05:17 Sabine Hossenfelder's Perspective on the Second Law

08:21 Stephen Wolfram's Cellular Automata

10:24 Stephen Wolfram's Ruliad

11:39 Stephen Wolfram's Perspective on the Second Law

15:25 Stephen Wolfram's Perspective on Quantum Physics and Consciousness

16:30 Donald Hoffman's Interface Theory of Perception

18:30 Donald Hoffman's Model of Conscious Agents

20:23 Donald Hoffman's Markovian Dynamics and Entropy

22:28 Intersubjectivity

24:07 Bernardo Kastrup's Analytical Idealism as a Model for Intersubjectivity

27:00 QBism as a Model for Intersubjectivity

28:26 Overcoming Entropy

32:28 Conclusion