In today's conversation, Nathan joins Rob Wiblin, host of The 80,000 Hours Podcast to discuss why we need more AI scouts, OpenAI's safety record, and redteaming frontier models. If you need an ecommerce platform, check out our sponsor Shopify: https://shopify.com/cognitive for a $1/month trial period.

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LINKS:

80,000 Hours Episode Show Notes: https://80000hours.org/podcast/episodes/nathan-labenz-openai-red-team-safety/

TIMESTAMPS:

(00:00:00) - Episode Preview

(00:05:12) - Rob’s intro

(00:10:50) - Interview begins

(00:15:50) - Intro toThe Cognitive Revolution excerpt

(00:19:13) - Excerpt from The Cognitive Revolution: Nathan’s narrative

(01:22:10) - Why it’s hard to imagine a much better game board

(01:28:14) - What OpenAI has been doing right

(01:40:12) - Arms racing and China

(01:46:10) - OpenAI’s single-minded focus on AGI

(01:56:55) - Transparency about capabilities

(02:05:56) - Benefits of releasing models

(02:17:14) - Was it ok to release GPT-4?

(02:35:31) - Why no statement from the OpenAI board

(02:55:59) - Ezra Klein on the OpenAI story

(03:16:59) - The upside of AI merits taking some risk

(03:31:44) - Meta and open source

(03:42:26) - Nathan’s journey into the AI world

(03:48:18) - Rob’s outro