China is on the rise, with the world’s largest navy and on track to have the world’s largest economy. Jens Stoltenberg, NATO’s Secretary-General, tells POLITICO’s Ryan Heath about his plan to stay one step ahead of China’s advances. Plus: he has a message for France on the recent U.S.-Australia submarine deal. 

Stay tuned after the interview for a debrief with POLITICO’s Usha Sahay, who gives her take on the contenders to replace Stoltenberg once his term ends next fall — and how the U.S.-Australia submarine deal could tip the scales. 

A big thanks to Nirmal Mulaikal for fact checking this episode. 

Jens Stoltenberg is the Secretary-General of NATO.

Usha Sahay is a senior editor at POLITICO Magazine.

Ryan Heath is the host of the "Global Insider" podcast and authors the newsletter. 

Olivia Reingold produces “Global Insider.” 

Irene Noguchi edits “Global Insider” and is the executive producer of POLITICO Audio.

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