In part 2 of this conversation with Kathy Samaan, CEO and Principal Designer of Samaan Design Group and SDG Construction. Kristina and Kathy are going deeper into the messy, uncomfortable parts of life and business, the "goop phase." You know, that awkward, sticky middle where nothing feels figured out, but that's where transformation happens. Kathy talks about how the goal shouldn’t be to run from the ‘goop’, but to embrace the goop, learn from it and become comfortable with some discomfort.

Kristina and Kathy also discuss the ripple effect of kind community, and how powerful referrals and acts of kinds can be in business.

Tune in to hear why Kristina and Kathy believe that staying authentic, open, and kind, even when it’s not reciprocated, is always the right move.

Do you feel like you’re in a ‘goop’ phase right now? You're not alone and this episode is for you!

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