In this episode, Phillip is joined by Charlie O’Riordan to discuss the transition from traditional enterprise networking to cloud networking. They explore fundamental differences in network designs between AWS and Azure, the use of underlay technologies like GENEVE and VXLAN, and the integration of firewalls and stateful devices. Tune in to learn about some of the limitations of cloud-native tools, the advantages of third-party solutions, and practical advice on using Terraform for infrastructure automation.