Bryce and Ross welcome Dave Beaty to the podcast. He's an investigative filmmaker who's produced "The Nimitz Encounters," a film about UAP encounters around US Navy ships from 2004 to 2019. As Dave writes on Medium: "When I first learned about that curious case of the aircraft carrier USS Nimitz, 100 miles off the coast of San Diego, CA in Nov of 2004 I was enthralled by the descriptions of a 50-foot-long white capsule-shaped UFO that had out-paced F/A-18F Super Hornets." You can watch the film at http://thenimitzencounters.com.

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Bryce and Ross mark 75 years since 1947, "The Summer of the Saucers." It's considered the beginning of the modern UFO era. They recount a couple of prominent incidents in those early days, and flash forward to today and word that NASA will launch a UAP study - albeit a very quick and barely funded study. Also: are drones the new swap gas? That is, an easy and lazy way for UAP doubters to explain away sightings?

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This episode's title comes from the 1948 document produced by Project Sign, which the head of the Air Force ordered destroyed. Also: with more than two weeks to think about it, Ross and Bryce have more to say about the Congressional hearing on UAP -- including results of a couple of listener surveys. They also come up a few questions that lawmakers SHOULD have asked. And Ross explains why any talk about drones being an explanation for an UAP sighting is idiotic. Hint: drones can't fly that fast, that far, and for that long!

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"Underwhelming" is one of the more polite words used to discuss the first Congressional hearing on UAP in more than 50 years. You'll hear plenty of tougher words from Bryce and Ross, as well as from the podcast's very first guest: Lue Elizondo, formerly with the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program (ATTIP), the Defense Dept. unit that studied UAP. The not-quite 90-minute hearing by the House Intelligence Subcommittee on Counterintelligence, Counterterrorism, and Counterproliferation yielded a lot of narrowly-focused questions and fuzzy answers, according to both our guests and hosts.

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Ross and Bryce review some recent UAP news, including an obvious hoax, confusion about Garry Reid's exact status, the return of the UFO Fest in McMinnville, Oregon, a new documentary and a new series based on David Bowie's 1976 "The Man Who Fell to Earth." Then: a look back at Congressional inquiries into UAP and whether hearings will occur in the future.

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Bryce needs to get a few things off his chest. But he's a writer, not an announcer. So he found a big-time announcer, former "The Tonight Show" announcer Edd Hall, to give voice to Bryce's thoughts. WARNING: This is rated "E" (with a vengeance).

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Ross and Bryce share two of the best-known stories involving musicians who say they've encountered UFOs. Ross tells the tale of Blink 182's Tom DeLonge. He's made some controversial claims over the past few years, including conversations with top government officials. He also co-founded To the Stars, which bills itself as an academy of arts and sciences. But Bryce goes back more than four decades to the east side of Manhattan, where one night in late August John Lennon says he saw a UFO hovering near his penthouse apartment. Also: praise for journalist Tim McMillan's recent scoop, and they note the death of John Lear.

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Bryce and Ross tackle several recent and historical UAP developments, including the release of the classified version of last year's preliminary Defense Department report on UAP. Bryce shares thoughts on the spectrum of current UAP thinking: are they benevolent beings from beyond or do they mean us harm? Ross recounts his conversations with a man who's dealing with devastating injuries that he says were caused by a UAP encounter. And producer Rich Johnson talks about living in UAP "Ground Zero" -- Las Vegas.

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If you don't know about Harry Turner and Edward Ruppelt, you soon will. Ross and Bryce tell stories about some of the earliest investigations into UAP in the US and Australia -- including the story of the man who came up with the acronym "UFO." Bryce also shares his latest survey about what we should be calling this phenomenon: UFO, UAP, both, or neither. And Ross lets us know about a revelation from the former head of France's version of the CIA.

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Bryce turns the tables in this episode, and interviews Ross about his research into UAP that lead to his groundbreaking book "In Plain Sight." Ross takes us from being intrigued by the idea as a teenager in New Zealand to how UFO sightings were ridiculed by his bosses at many news outlets. Ross admits that he was sometimes doing the ridiculing. But that skepticism lead to a journey that continues with the book -- and this podcast!

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