If you don't know about Harry Turner and Edward Ruppelt, you soon will. Ross and Bryce tell stories about some of the earliest investigations into UAP in the US and Australia -- including the story of the man who came up with the acronym "UFO." Bryce also shares his latest survey about what we should be calling this phenomenon: UFO, UAP, both, or neither. And Ross lets us know about a revelation from the former head of France's version of the CIA.

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Bryce turns the tables in this episode, and interviews Ross about his research into UAP that lead to his groundbreaking book "In Plain Sight." Ross takes us from being intrigued by the idea as a teenager in New Zealand to how UFO sightings were ridiculed by his bosses at many news outlets. Ross admits that he was sometimes doing the ridiculing. But that skepticism lead to a journey that continues with the book -- and this podcast!

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Why is the Air Force AWOL on UAP? Why is the Navy taking the lead on most disclosures these days? And where is the world's major news media? Ross and Bryce discuss those questions, and put them into the context of more and more lawmakers, intelligence officials and others at the center of this quest sharing more of what they've been told.

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If the inhabitants of UAP really want to reach out, why don't they just land on the White House lawn? Bryce and Ross get into that question, as well as what American presidents do know, don't know, and probably need to know about UFOs over the decades. They also recount the incident of astonishing mass UFO sightings in the sky over Washington, D.C. during the 1952 presidential campaign. And they let us know about two Presidents who claimed to have seen UAP.

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Bryce and Ross dive back to the year that started it all: 1947. The war was over, but the sightings were everywhere: the foo fighters, ghost rockets, and The Big One: Roswell, where the military acknowledged then quickly rescinded news that wreckage from something it couldn't identify were found on a remote farm in New Mexico. It's also the year that the US Air Force, the CIA and the National Security Agency were founded.

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Bryce and Ross discuss the death of former Nevada Sen. Harry Reid, how he made a huge impact on the UAP discussion - and how most articles about him missed or ignored that fact.

Also: UAP is not just a US thing. It's been regarded as a genuine mystery by multiple Governments around the World.

Finally, a discussion of what it will take for the world's biggest and most mainstream media outlets to take UAP seriously, and to pursue stories with the same fever that brought us reporting on Watergate and the Pentagon Papers.

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Ross and Bryce talk about the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA), passed by Congress, signed by the President. Ross talks about the need for quality data in UAP sightings. Bryce presents his investigation into how the Betty and Barney Hill abduction case was first made public by investigative journalist John Luttrell Sr. and how the state of New Hampshire is going to change its historical marker based on Bryce's findings.

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Ross and Bryce look back at the UAP/UFO events of the past year.

At the top of the list: the June UAP report, and the Gillibrand-Rubio Amendment now being voted on in Congress.

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Ross and Bryce look ahead to the UAP/UFO events of next year.

They discuss how likely progress is going to be and what it means if the U.S. passes the Gillibrand - Rubio Amendment.

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