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Dave's Halloween special walks through the Halloween franchise from John Carpenter's 1978 original to Halloween: Resurrection. For each film you get a quick recap, where it's streaming and a score out of 10. On the way he covers the Thorn timeline, the masks that never looked right again, Paul Rudd's first screen credit and Busta Rhymes' kung fu fight. A good primer if you're planning a Halloween marathon.

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0:26 Tell police! Tell the sheriff I shot him. Donavis, he's still on the loose. Is this some kind of joke? I've been tricked or treated to death tonight. You don't know what death is. Hello and welcome to Streams and Nightmares, where the horror is always streaming and the nightmares never end. My name is Dave and I am your host of the best, the worst, and the bloodiest, streaming horror on all streaming platforms. Welcome back to the show and happy Halloween, as we've mentioned many times on lots of our NEOZAZ podcasts. If you're familiar with any of them, Halloween is our favorite holiday. It is our favorite time of year that we dive into the thing that we like most. So it's only fitting that a horror podcast like Streams and Nightmares do a Halloween special, and that's what this is. And I'm dedicating this to my friends.

1:30 Favorite, favorite, favorite thing in horror all time, and that is the Halloween franchise. So, what I thought I'd do. Go through at least the parts of the Halloween franchise that I like to discuss. Let you know where they're streaming. Give you a brief recap if you forgot some of the stuff that happens in the later movies. To prime you for maybe a Halloween marathon on Halloween night. I know I intend. On Halloween night as I've made a tradition for myself. Over the past many, many years, to attend a big screen screening of the original 1978 classic. John Carpenter's Halloween, which I will be doing this Saturday night. So, whatever your Halloween plans are, maybe you'll include this podcast as one of them because I'm gonna go through. The franchise, or at least part of the franchise, mentioned the other ones very briefly because I don't like talking about them anymore. But that means we start at the beginning with the all-time classic. The nineteen eighties nineteen seventy eight.

2:34 Perfect, perfect movie, which I have talked about a lot on a lot of podcasts over the years of NEOZAZ, including this show. And that is the original Halloween. This is a 10 out of 10. I did my 10 out of 10 Hall of Fame show, I don't know, many months ago. And of course, this was on it. It is streaming on AMC Plus, Shudder, Fubo, YouTube, and, like I said, in theaters. better way to celebrate Halloween than to go see it in theaters with a bunch of your friends. really loud. Enjoying it the way it was intended, but just to give you that extra little bit of Halloween spirit, here's the original trailer. Halloween Night. Small American town. years ago. What's up, guys? eight years trying to reach him.

3:58 seven trying to keep him locked up because I realized that what was living behind that boy's eyes was purely and simply evil. Uh I think you'll come back. Exploring uncharted territory? Totally charted. Sure, sure. The only reason she babysit is to have Halloween. Okay then. Come on out. Fuck!

5:03 Oh. What? Um Whoa. Okay. Uh Um Okay. So I mean, you know how when people watch all these movies at Christmas and they say, like, well, it's not Christmas until I see Hans Gruber fall off the Nakatomi building. It's not Christmas until that happens.

6:04 Well for me. It's not Halloween until I hear P.J. Soles say the word totally. About 10 times in Halloween. This movie is perfectly made. It's the pacing Chris from Pass the Popcorn. And I were just talking about pacing in movie and how, yeah, some movies you could construe them as being boring. But if the pacing and wetting your whistle all along the way for things that are gonna pay off later happens, like a master filmmaker like John Carpenter does, it's not boring. It's perfectly paced. Some of the tracking shots in this are way ahead of its time. The one where Laurie is walking to the house where the climax will happen, it's this long tracking shot. There's another long tracking shot that you just heard in the trailer of Laurie running from the house to try and get anyone to come to the door to help her. There's so many great things in this. And I've talked about it a lot, so I'm not going to dwell too much on Halloween because people are probably sick of me talking about it, but it is the reason that I love horror. It's, it is the reason for the season.

7:13 Just like Jesus is to Christmas, Michael Myers is to Halloween, and I have so much crap all over my little. dork layer, including like my match book. Uh matchbook from the Rabbit in Red Lounge that Loomis finds on the dashboard. Like there's so many great little things about Halloween that people have. Clung to over the years. It's a 10 out of 10. It's one of the greatest movies ever made. And I'll shut up about it, okay? Although you're gonna have to hear me ramble about how much I love something else right now as well, because we go from Halloween straight into Halloween to 1981. streaming on Prime, Peacock, and also in theaters. I saw Halloween 2 last year in theaters, and I love that people are starting to not just show Halloween, but also show this from time to time because I think people that really love this know how good Halloween 2 is as well. That was also in my Hall of Fame. This is another 10 out of 10, and it's hard for a sequel to back something up. This did

8:15 Halloween 2 does. I shot him six times. I shot him in the heart. This mad, he's not human. Universal Pictures presents Halloween 2. More of the night he came home. Reason that wasn't even remotely human. Some kind of a joke? I've been trigger-treated to death tonight. You don't know what death is. Janet. Go tell Mr. Garrett we're having trouble with the folks there is no place to hide. He will always find you. What's this? It's a Celtic word. It means the Lord of the Dead.

9:46 Together. the night he came home. Okay, so I wanted to point out that there are a few things in this that someone could poke fun at. And I've heard people do it, and it's very funny because you can tell that they're fans, and that's what you do. You take the piss out of the things you like. Like how deranged Dr. Loomis starts to come. We've talked about this. There are times that he's straight up ready to murder somebody. Teenagers, right?

10:56 There's that. There's the ending. Laurie Strode, who you can assume has never shot a gun in her life with two shots. Perfectly aim. Two shots right in Michael Myers' eyes. Is that stuff happening? Of course not. No, I don't care. Okay, because I actually saw this one first. Uh so the original Halloween is kind of a prequel to me. being a little kid and not really having access to these. At the time, I saw Halloween 2 first, and it starts with that great recap. Of the original because it is the same night, which I love when they do that in movies. And the shot that I know hooked me. was picture in Halloween Laurie Strode the original is in the closet. Michael Myers breaking through the closet door and Laurie pokes his eye with the hanger. He goes down. Laurie, instead of running, decides to sit down and relax in the hall like most final girls do. And it's the shot of Michael Myers laying straight on his back.

11:59 Sitting straight up. Turning his head in a robotic way at her. That was the shot that got me hooked with Halloween. And that's all Nick Castle, the original Michael Myers and director of some pretty shitty movies later in his life. That deserves a lot of credit. That is the thing that really got me hooked. I love a couple other little things in this though. Nancy Loomis, who plays Annie, comes back. For that one scene when they wheel her body out and Sheriff Brackett gets to see her. So Annie Brackett has maybe five. That's being generous. Seconds of screen time in this movie. And Nancy Loomis comes back. I have a feeling Nancy Loomis and Debra Hill and John Carpenter are really good friends because not only is she in these, she's an assault in Precinct 13. I think she's actually probably the best part of the first two movies as far as the girls. Jamie Lee Curtis gets a lot of credit. She deserves it all. But when you think about that triad of girls being P.J. Soless, Nancy Loomis, and Jamie Lee Curtis, the other two are much more entertaining.

13:04 Then Jamie Lee Curtis's. I love that stuff. That in fact, that's the scene that Dana Carvey's in. Talk about that a lot. Dana Carvey is a In the front yard, as Nancy Loomis is being wheeled out. But there's a lot of nice new little things in here. Lance Guest, who I always like, is a great addition, and him slipping in that blood. All of these things are. memory makers for me. And the only other problem I have with Halloween 2, this is still a 10 out of 10. It's one of my favorite all-time movies. There's the Strange scene. It doesn't necessarily have anything to do with anything. Halloween 2, like many of the other ones that I'm about to talk about, have super cuts or producers' cuts, which you can watch if you want to track them down. They were defined for a long time. There were things that you kind of found at like a comic book convention or a horror con. and someone was selling the VHS copy for like$40. So there's the scene when Michael Myers breaks into the school. And he writes in blood the word Samhain.

14:07 on the chalkboard. It's mentioned in the trailer. It's a Celtic. Blah, blah, blah. I feel like that one scene and that one word. Has terrible repercussions later in this series when we start getting into what I'm going to talk about in the next, I don't know, 20 minutes or so. When we start getting Mythology involved with our Michael Myers. So, if you want to blame some of the stuff that happens later that a lot of people don't like, I guess you can start to blame it. Here with that simple word written in perfect printing, by the way. Nice job, Michael. I mean, he never went to school after, you know, like, I don't know, third grade, but he's got perfect printing. And it's kind of stupid, but none of that detracts from me as far as how much I love Halloween and by extension, Halloween too. Okay. Those are out of the way. Now let's start talking about the other things that get people going one way or the other. Starting with Halloween 3 colon.

15:16 Season of the Witch, which came out in 1982. It is streaming on Prime. And Looks like Peacock. I can't read yet. Peacock. And I actually have seen this. broadcast or shown in theaters recently. There's a uh Drive-in theater not too far from where some of us live in Pennsylvania. I believe it's up in Scranton area. Where Tom Atkins, the star of Halloween 3 and other things like Lethal Weapon, he's going to be at this drive-in. And they're showing. Halloween 3 and he's signing autographs and taking pictures. I freaking love that. But in the meantime, let's listen to the trailer. For Halloween 3. Listen, he just walked up out of the rain. I swear to God, that's all there was to him. Did my father say anything to you the night he died? I don't know. Your father came into the hospital and he. I thought he was crazy, out of his mind. He's hanging onto a Halloween mask. He wouldn't let it go. And what he said was.

16:30 Going kill us. Oh nice. And in a little while he was dead. And I don't know what the hell is going on. I've been doing some detective work. I think my father ran into trouble somewhere between here and Santa Mira. Bounded ATD7 connected. Yet I know anything about this cochlear. He's watching you, Fran, I guarantee you that. Where are they taking her? They're taking her to the factory. Never a body at all. Operator, this is an emergency. They're gonna kill us all. Why, Concord? Do I need a reason? Work about the change tonight, Doctor.

18:08 You'll be able to watch it. Be Halloween. I'm going to Season of the witch, the night, no one. great tagline using What was the Michael Myers tagline, but not having any Michael Myers except for a brief flash on a TV screen because someone is watching Halloween and like a office or something. So this was what was to be, and people know this, I'm not telling you anything you don't know if you're a horror fan, an anthology series that Carpenter wanted to do because he was done with his Michael Myers story. And he wanted to have it be an anthology where they could just make a Halloween story every year. but not have it be a Michael Myers story.

19:09 People are starting to come around on this because for a long time, people were just pissed off that this wasn't Michael Myers and they did not accept this. If you look at it, As called anything else, take the Halloween 3 off the beginning of it. If you just call it Season of the Witch. Would love this movie. It is well written, it is well directed, it is well acted. People are starting to come around on just how good Halloween 3 is as a standalone movie. Biggest problem being the way it was marketed, I guess, as being Halloween 3 and people not knowing then that this was Carpenter's plan. Had it been called anything else, this is a classic. And in some ways, this is actually the scariest one. This is scary and scarier in some ways than Michael Myers because this is based in reality. I mean, there's a lot of science fiction going on here, obviously, with the things in the masks. Mm. This is somebody killing children.

20:10 And I think that is something that you didn't do especially then in movies a lot. I mean, it was done, but it was very taboo. This is a movie about killing. hundreds of thousands of little children. That ups the ante in this. It's got a cult following. And I really enjoy parts of this. There's that really great shot of those trick-or-treaters walking over. The valley in California as the red sun is setting and you just see their silhouettes. What a gorgeous shot! I love shots like that. And Nancy Loomis is back. I forgot that she was even in this, but she's in this as well. I gave this a six out of 10. This is something that I will watch, maybe not every Halloween, but come back to you from time to time. And like I said, it's streaming on Prime and Peacock. So we're still doing pretty well with the Halloween franchise. We're gonna turn a corner somewhat soon, starting with Halloween 4 colon.

21:16 The Return of Michael Myers from 1988. Ten years ago, on the night of October 31st, a small Midwestern town fell victim to an escaped killer. Under the cover of darkness, he carried out the most horrifying mass murder on record. 16 people in cold blood. ever since that night. No one has forgotten his name. and Halloween. has never been the same Now Michael Myers has come home. He has returned for one more night of unholy terror. He's here to kill that little girl and anybody who gets in his way.

22:21 Oh God, who's gonna be next? Halloween 4, the return of Michael Myers. Mapping, nobody knows how to stop him. How sick are you going to be of that Halloween theme by the time to listen to this? They know it's great and they can just recycle that. You put that in your trailer and people are like, what? Wait. they listen. So this is what is really the beginning of what has been known. Thorn timeline. And this is where the Celtic cult. And their manipulation of Michael Myers starts. But there was a lot of dark ages in waiting until 1988.

23:23 Until they brought back Michael Myers. This is streaming on AMC Plus. and shudder I actually saw this. Recently at the same theater where I'm gonna see Halloween, they showed Halloween 4. Last year and I was fucking front and center. Because this isn't something that you'd see put back in theaters a lot. But this ignores the ending of Halloween 2 with the fireball that consumes Loomis and Michael Myers and introduces Danielle Harris as Michael Myers' niece. biggest problem and this is such a superficial thing but it is so important To the Halloween franchise. The biggest problem that people have with this one of them, anyway, is the mask. They never again get this mask right. And I mean never ever. So the fact that the mask looks as bad as it is all avail, this is like the worst thing anybody had ever seen. They're like, well, the movie wasn't terrible, but that fucking mask.

24:27 They even used the real Michael Myers mask from the first two Halloween on the poster. That's not what you get in the movie. But this is where these movies and these sequels Which get worse and worse. Is now Donald Pleasance's life and Moustapha Akkad. Trying to just rake in any kind of money. They didn't cost a lot to make. He could churn them out. And the Akkad family could just keep making money. Jamie Lloyd Is the character played by Danielle Harris? She is Laurie's daughter. They explain that Laurie is killed in a car accident. AKA Jamie the Curse didn't want to come back. Um But one of the funniest things about trivia in here and the mask is that when Michael goes to get his mask, they were going to make it a Ronald Reagan mask. that he was gonna kill in, they were gonna ignore the Michael Myers mask. But then they thought the political overtones of that would have been really bad. I guess it wasn't so bad that just a few years later.

25:31 Patrick Swayze was wearing it to rob banks, but I really kind of thought that would be funny. This is not terrible. I gave it a five out of 10 because it still ticks some of the Halloween boxes. And Danielle Harris does a really good job. And Pleasance isn't so far gone yet. that you can still enjoy. His performance. They explain him surviving the fire with a slight scar on his cheek. which looks kind of like a fried egg. Which someone even commented on during the filming. I think it was Donald Pleasance's girlfriend said, Oh, look, Donald, it looks like you have an egg on your face. And then they changed the makeup after that. So the makeup changes. in the mo within the movie itself. Supposedly, and I've never caught this in the trivia, they were going to make the Michael Myers mask blonde. And there is a shot when he's in her bedroom, I believe, in Jamie's bedroom, that you can still see a brief shot of the Michael Myers white mask. Face, but with blonde hair. So they were going to change it a little.

26:36 Maybe going back to the, I don't know, Captain Kirk look. This is Not the worst thing that I'm going to talk about, but we're starting to dip our toe into some. Treacherous territory with Halloween for the return of Michael Meyer, but it is out there for you to stream. And maybe if you're doing a a full watch for the holidays, you gotta include that. As well as the next one, Halloween 5 Colon. The Revenge of Michael Myers. Oh, he's an eye. This time he's back with a vengeance? I mean, hasn't he been back with a vengeance in every goddamn one since the first one?

27:50 So this came out in 1989. This is also streaming on AMC Plus and Shudder. Loomis becomes completely unhinged in this. He even uses at times Jamie as bait. Jamie is now in the nut house because she stabs Her stepmother at the end of four. So now she's crazy. There's a ripoff, even I guess you would say, of Friday the 13th in this, and that Jamie. Who was the cute little kid? Has now become possibly the villain. In fact, that's what Danielle Harris thought was gonna happen in this. She was gonna be the villain and that she would be kind of co-killing along with her uncle as the villain in this movie. This is a lot like Friday the 13th. movies with Tommy Jarvis, the original one being played by really one of our greatest musicians. Corey Feldman. And that they have him grow up to be this psycho. And at one point, he doesn't talk because Jamie spends most of this unable to talk because she's so traumatized.

28:55 They get the mask wrong again. They see that they did it wrong. People get pissed off. They didn't really do much better. It's slightly better, but it's still the original mask on the poster. You really are setting yourself up for failure. If you're going to show people that on the poster and then deliver them some bullshit, they're going to be mad. There's some real crap in this. And I would say that this is the worst of all the Halloween movies. People are going to argue with that because there's so many to choose from. as to what would be the worst, but in this Thorn timeline This one's pretty bad. There are two cops that are chasing Michael. They're like these bumbling cops, and they add. Kind of silly music every time they come on screen with like xylophones and don't dun dun dun, like one of those kind of things. And there's like bumbling sound effects when these two cops are on screen. Terrible choice. Like, there isn't a moment of this where you should be distracted by something so fucking stupid. This also sets up the idea of this guy, the man in black.

30:00 Uh yeah. Within the dr druid cult and all that kind of stuff. The man in black being the one that breaks Michael out of prison because he's being used by this druid cult to murder his. His family timeline to do some kind of bullshit that you never really understand because that's where we're going next with Halloween 6:: The Curse of Michael Myers. Interesting enough, at the end of this trailer, I found an original, original trailer before the title was changed. You'll hear the original title of the movie or what it was going to be called. Um Halloween 5, I give it a 4 out of 10. pretty generous just because this is like my home turf. I'd say we get a little better in the next installment, and there's a big reason for that. But here's your trailer. Every legend is based on fact. Every myth is grounded in truth.

31:08 For 17 years, the town of Haddonfield, Illinois has been haunted. by a night when evil roamed the streets. ruled the night. Everyone knows his name. Now, everyone will know the truth. I knew what he was, but I never knew why. That Halloween since the origin of Michael Myers. Here it there, it's Halloween 6. In fact, it's not just Halloween 6, it's Halloween 666. The origin of Michael Myers. Maybe a better title. Uh Dimension Films is in charge now.

32:10 And they take over horror for a while around this time. Scream is a big hit for them. That will influence horror for at least the next decade and maybe still is to this day. with dimension and charge. Things maybe at least get a little more money, a little more interesting. And the big thing that's interesting about this that everyone knows is that this is introducing. Paul Stephen Rudd As Tommy. The little boy from the beginning that Laurie babysits. Tommy Doyle is back, which was supposed to happen in part four. Tommy Doyle was supposed to be the main character coming back and helping Dr. Loomis. They wait two movies to do that. So I don't know why they didn't just keep up with the legacy characters. And maybe because he isn't as. related to Michael Myers, so Michael wouldn't necessarily be trying to kill him. Paul Rudd, as Paul Steven Rudd, this is his first. Screen credit. I filmed it around the same time as Clueless. Clueless came out after.

33:11 So this is it for Paul Rudd. I've heard interviews with him that said he just was there and having a good time and everybody was lovely and he knew it was stupid, but he was a young struggling actor and of course he's going to do whatever he can to pay the bills. Jamie is now an adult in this. So Danielle Harris is out. Jamie has her own baby. She's given birth at the beginning of this. And Michael Myers is just following this bloodline as Jamie is killed and now he's got I mean, these people just keep having babies. And Michael Myers is like, can you keep it in your pants? I gotta stop one day killing all these babies, man. They're always having babies. cult wants this baby. It is the cult of thorn. And this is the curse that Michael Myers has and why he kills. All of this is bullshit, right? Nobody needs this backstory. It reminds me of what we talked about when we just did our Crystal Lake episode. I think things are scarier when you don't know anything about them or you don't know why they do it. They just do it.

34:16 I don't need some convoluted backstory as to why Michael Myers killed his sister in 1978. I this and if this is your reason, this is really fucking stupid. The Strodes are back in Haddonfield, when this was kind of nice because they brought back at least some of that idea, and they're living in the Myers house. Because, you know, why wouldn't you want to live in the Myers house? This is your last Donald Pleasance. He dies. And this is one of the ones that really has a lot of different producers' cuts. Which you can find, which kind of adds things here and there. But the bottom line is you're still talking about a Celtic cult. uh the cult of thorn, the man in black, and Michael Myers being a Yeah. Of this cult. Ridiculous, right? This concludes the Thorn timeline. Halloween, the curse of Michael Myers, the origin of Michael Myers, whatever the fuck you want to call it. The only other thing that I like about this is it did have a song. And I remember this song being

35:17 Not a hit. I'm not giving it that kind of credit, but it was a, you know, like a grunge band. It was the time. Brother Kane. The guy that's elite singer has a Chris Cornell-ish. kind of voice. full shine on. I think it was kinda it was a good sign. So look up that Brother Kane song if you're if you like kind of 90s rock. That was the only good thing about this. I bumped this back up to a five because at least there's some things here that hold my interest, maybe especially Paul Rudd. This is the conclusion of the Thorn timeline because we are going to be whisked away to a whole new timeline where things are a little different. with Halloween H20 20 years later. It's 1998 in a remote California town at a secluded private school. We could have a Halloween party just before us. We could have a roaming orgy. I love the way this man thinks. No booze, no drugs, no kidding.

36:24 Sure. is living in fear. I know if you think I am. I changed my name when I went into hike. Terrible. My brother killed my sister. How'd he do that? a really big kitchen knife. I can't take it, Mom. Dead. It's been 20 years. What's he waiting for? Don't you think he will have shown up by now? This is a sick joke. Now, the face of good and the face of evil will meet one last time. But this time, it's going to be a fight to the finish. This summer, Terror won't be taking a vacation.

37:40 Halloween H20. It's Halloween, I guess everyone is entitled to one good scare. I've had my share. And that being Janet Leigh at the end with a cameo with her daughter. Uh, I guess the original screen queen to her daughter. It was a really nice little touch. This came out in 1998. Uh it's streaming on HBO Max and Hulu. So the major difference with Halloween H20 20 years later is that it ignores the fact that Laurie had a daughter. would have been Janie. And has a son instead, which is Josh Hartnett in his first role. So they're all, you know, introducing another one of my favorite actors. I love Josh Hartnett, and he's really great in this. Steve Miner of Friday the 13th fame, he directed two and three, I believe. He directs this. But at this point, Laurie is the dean of a private school.

38:42 Uh and The cast is excellent. Josh Hartnett. Michelle Williams as a young person, LL Cool J is okay in it. And the thing that makes this a big deal and I remember being super excited about this. is that she's back of course they almost got carpenter back too But he asked for too much money. And Harvey Weinstein, because Miramax is making this, it's kind of like you're asking for too much. And John Carpenter is very quick to just dump it and walk away and say, fuck you, then, I'm not doing it. But they do get her back. Kevin Williamson has some fingerprints on this. He rewrites this script uncredited. This is Kevin Williamson after scream, so everybody's trying to get his hands on their horror properties. Four to six was referenced but cut. In the original cut of this. So I feel like the Williamson rewrites cut out.

39:43 The ideas of Jamie and all that other stuff. And they make this then a direct sequel to Halloween 2. And anything that happened in 4, 5, and 6 never happened. So this is a lot of retconning. But most people will agree. This is probably the third best Halloween movie. Jamie Lee Curtis is back. She's great in it. They got the mask even a little better this time. There are a lot of nice touches in this. And I think these are Williamson touches because Williamson, obviously, because of the. Referential nature of Scream knows his shit. My favorite one in this is there's in the original Halloween. Jamie Lee Curtis has things that she now has to say. It's like, it's not on the level of Arnold Schwarzenegger's I'll Be Back. But Jamie Lee Curtis in these movies says the phrase, or someone else will say it. Do as I say. She says this to the kids when she's trying to save their lives in the first one. It's almost, I would say, maybe it's more akin to the Star Wars: someone is going to say, I got a bad feeling about this.

40:49 Someone will say, do as I say. Like Jamie Lee Curtis. But in the original one, she tells the children, I want you to go down the street to the McKenzie's house. That happens in Scream. Kevin Williamson uses that line in Scream, and this says Scream all over it. But in this movie, she says, I want you to go down the street to the Beckers' house. Casey Becker. is Drew Barrymore's character. In scream. Definitely something that Williamson wrote. I gave this a seven out of 10. Was really excited when it came out. It had a great ending and what was or should have been. The natural conclusion To the Halloween franchise and the story of Michael Myers and Laurie Strode. We still have one more that I'm going to go over, and it is Halloween resurrection. The childhood home of our most brutal mass murderer. The home has been rigged up with several cameras, but for the most part, the audience will see.

41:57 Only what you see. They're not just putting us in some house with hidden cameras in the shower? This is gonna be fine. The windows will be boarded up. shut behind them. to leave until the show is over. Entertainment beginning. You think this is the one that he used to, you know, do his thing? One flash and you could light up a thousand computer screens. You are like this close to getting voted off the island. What just happened? We just lost Bill's camera. Here's the main hall. Uh Come sooner or later. What took you so long? Freaking shake, mother.

43:04 So I forgot one other thing I wanted to point out: that Jamie Lee Curtis was so good in Halloween H20. That I saw a story or an interview from back then of Quentin Tarantino. saying that he thinks she should have been nominated for an Academy Award. That's how great he thinks her performance was. And he tried to get Harvey Weinstein. To lobby, you know, like how you have to do a lot of lobbying and you put it out there and you, you kind of like have to do a lot of politicking. The, the, Miramax should have done that for her, but they didn't. So, uh, That's a feather in her cap as well. But like I said, the last one ends with. Laurie. cutting off the head of Michael Myers. or what she thinks is Michael Myers. And to get one more movie out of her that she had to do because she was under contract. She signed on for two movies to get Halloween H20.

44:05 made. So still under contract. She has to come back one last time. Well, we thought at least one last time. Laurie Strode. Now, in a mental institution, just like Jamie Lloyd was, just like Michael, her brother, was. because she has learned that she has killed an innocent man. The beginning of it being that that entire wonderful chase And fight at the end of Halloween H20 was all meaningless because it wasn't Michael or It was an EMT. Who's Larynx? Michael had crushed so he couldn't talk and say hey. Lady. I'm not Michael Myers. Couldn't do that. switched outfits with him. The old switcheroo Michael puts on the EMT. The EMT puts on the mask and the coveralls. and Jamie Lee Curtis, Laurie Strode.

45:05 cuts his goddamn head off. And he's like, Just a guy. He's a father of however many. He's just, you know, trying to make the make the rent by being an EMT, and she has this overwhelming guilt. But this continues that storyline of her having a son and not a daughter. There is a picture in her room of Josh Hartnett. being that son. This came out in 2002, by the way. Also streaming on HBO Max and Hulu. Halloween resurrection after the Laurie Strode stuff is done because she is waiting for him. And we do see at least then. The official death of Laurie Strode. tries to kill Michael with some booby trap kind of things. But for some reason with them both hanging off of a building. kisses him on the mouth. plummets to her death. So Do what you will with all of that. The one other thing that's half decent about this is that at least they get Rick Rosenthal back from Halloween 2.

46:07 That's a nice little thing. I think Halloween Resurrection is kind of like part three. Name it anything else, it's a little gimmicky. But it works as a movie. It's way too gimmicky for Michael Myers. The Busta Rhymes. De entertainment. Putting cameras in the haunted house where a serial killer is coming out. The cast was okay. It was Katee Sackhoff from Star Wars and Thomas Ian Nicholas from American Pie and Rookie of the Year. Pitcher Michael Myers got a big butt. Yeah, it's not a terrible premise, but making it a Michael Myers movie is. The idea that was originally pitched was Halloween colon retribution. Josh Hartnett starring. to get revenge for his mother after this happens. That never happens again. The thing that people hate about this as well is the Busta Rhymes of Michael Myers Kung Fu fight.

47:12 Happy Halloween motherfucker! There's some real bullshit here, right? This is a four out of 10 super generous. This came out in 2002. So that concludes to me what is the real Michael Myers timeline. We, of course, have many other movies. I'm not going to cover them on here. Maybe I'll do this next Halloween if I want to punish myself because your next timeline is the Rob Zombie timeline. Fuck. I love his music. I hate his movies. And to me, he doesn't understand. what Halloween is, and he bastardizes this in the name of horror porn. This is this is a lot of excruciatingly violent scenes A lot of the back story of Michael Myers a la Crystal Lake on Peacock Now, which I don't give a shit about. And I can't believe they made two of these movies. John Carpenter himself has said he cannot watch these movies. And I'm with him. I think they're the worst thing. I actually think these Rob Zombie movies are worse. Then Halloween four, five, six, and eight.

48:17 these movies. I can't stand them. Danny McBride timeline after that gets a little better, but the thing that bothers me the most about that. is that it ignores Halloween 2 altogether. And the idea that Laurie and Michael are siblings. No, that's the thing that that you you Halloween one and two to me are a package deal. And I love Danny McBride. I think he's hilarious. He's a great actor. He's a great writer. I love almost everything he does, but I do not condone Eliminating Halloween 2 to get these three more old lady Laurie Strode movies. With Anthony Michael Hall. And whatever the fuck other baggery is going on in these movies. So I'm not covering those either. They're maybe okay if you don't care as much about Halloween 2, but I do. I care a lot about Halloween 2, and the fact that they ignore it altogether. does not set well with me. But that's about it. I mean, as far as I'm concerned, that's about it. I'm not going to cover those other things. I'm just happy to, you know, get this out there for Halloween, kind of walk down memory lane, help you do it if you were kind of forgetting about some of those very forgettable sequels, and tell you where they're streaming if you did want to do a deep dive for yourself.

49:39 But I want to thank you for listening to another episode of Streams and Nightmares and wish you a very happy Halloween from me and everyone else at NEOZAZ. Thank you so much. The clock is ticking. It's almost time. Happy, happy Halloween Halloween Halloween Happy, happy Halloween Silver Shamrock Happy, happy Halloween Halloween Halloween Happy, happy Halloween Silver Shamrock

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Spoiler warning: this episode and these notes discuss all of Peacock's Crystal Lake, including the finale.

In NEOZAZ's 2026 Halloween special, the crew argues about Peacock's Crystal Lake, the series about young Jason Voorhees and his mother Pamela. Two of them liked it. Dave quit halfway through episode one and came back only for the finale. He explains why a backstory with a mad scientist and a super-serum ruins Jason for him. Then everyone moves to a campfire for true ghost stories: a demon beckoning from a building site in Marlton, New Jersey, an old woman on the attic stairs, and two grandparents in the dining room.

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0:14 And Hello and welcome to this NEOZAZ Halloween special for 2026. Six, six, six. Sounds like you're saying sex. Which is what gets people killed in these movies. That's right. You know the rules. You don't have sex. You don't go in the woods and what else? You don't drink or do drugs. You don't drink and or do drugs or you would die. You deserve to die. You deserve to die. If you do all three, yeah. dead. I've done I've done some of those things. W this isn't gonna be really we th there's there's a a new Peacock series that premiered maybe what, Luke, like a month ago? No, not even that. Couple weeks ago couple weeks ago. Crystal Lake. About like young Jason and what happened to him. At the camp, and he drowned, and blah blah blah. Then you know the rest. A few of us.

1:15 Watch the show. And I really liked it. And there's one person who didn't watch the show, just watched a few episodes and hate it. So we're here to discuss why that person's wrong. I will I will admit Right off the bat. I did not watch this entire show. I watched. Half of the first episode and turned it off. Then watched the second half because you were like, you got to give it another chance. Made it through the first one. And then I watched the final episode. So I watched the first and the last. So I say everything that I'm about to say without watching the entire episode. I will admit that. The entire series. I will admit that. But you know, like on that last one, you told me everything that was going on. So I already knew. The and then going into that last one, they do the previously unlost. You know, right right. And they give you the whole series basically in the recap. for the last episode. I know the story.

2:18 Yes. Did I see every kill? No. Do I know all the characters? No. But I know the story, and the story is what I have a problem. Well, when this when we start watching it. And there's like flashbacks of whatever happened to Pam Voorhees and Jason Voorhees back in the day. I too. At first I was like, oh, is he like an X-Men experiment? What is happening here? Oh, by the way, we should say spoilers. Spoilers. Spoilers, by the way. Yeah. Yeah. Sorry about that. I mean, if you're listening to this and it's our Crystal Lake Reaction Show. I'm sure you've seen it. But we are just gonna say everything that happens in this show, so Turn it off. I mean, honestly, turn it off anyway. Go watch like a classic Friday 13th movie. Go watch part. Part 4. Go spend time with your family. Right. There's this don't drink or do drugs. No, or have sex. Or certainly with the family. I mean, I don't know what your family's into, but whatever.

3:26 whatever floats your boat. And if that boat's a canoe, watch out. Yeah. I know what day where day's coming from'cause I myself Was scared of like, what are they doing to somebody who I thought was born? Maniac. I don't have an answer why I accepted it. I don't know why I really went along with it, I guess it just made sense to me. It does make sense to like why he's super strong, why he can't die. Right. Like, it explains what we never knew. Dave doesn't want to answer sometimes. Does it making sense also make it good? It doesn't, you know, I will say, I think it does make it good. It doesn't make it better. No. You know what I mean? It doesn't like up the whatever the word is, up the ante of. Wow, that this makes Jason better. It's it just.

4:31 Plateaus, I guess. It doesn't make it better, but it makes me Enjoy it makes sense. Thank you. So it doesn't take away from what you're already enjoying. That is true, yeah. And here, and even Luke kept on bringing up too, like my favorite horror guy is Freddy Krueger. Now, if there was a Freddy Krueger in his teens. TV show or movie. Who knows how I would take it? Because he he means, I don't know, yeah, he means he means so much to me. No, he just. I like Freddy more and I don't want people to fuck up what I like about Freddy, I guess. Okay. Well, that's fair. Yeah. Let me ask you this before I uh even talk about my stuff and we maybe have a discussion or maybe just start yelling at each other. How did you feel about the Rob Zombie Halloween movies? Because he tried. To do this in that first Halloween. He wanted to give you some insight into the childhood of Michael Myers.

5:34 I remember liking them. I did like them. I really, cause I know it's weird to explain. Like, I know John Carpenter hated those ones. I can see why because he said they told you too much about Michael. But that's what Dave, I guess, doesn't like too much. And for like like Boba Fett, what made him fucking great? He knew nothing about him. Until Book of Boba Fett and the and the and the bathing of Boba Fett and all this other shit that they gave you right makes you like oh Yes. Ah. Right. Dog dead. Dead dog. But I enjoyed those Rob Zombie ones. I did. I like, I guess, whatever I like, I don't mind. A new telling or something New to watch. Somebody else's take on it. Someone else's take on it because I've seen whatever so many times. Let me see something new. Dave.

6:37 Like with a new Carrie show, there's like something new. Yeah, and I never was like a, oh, I love Carrie so much, but I enjoyed the movie and then the, the. The new movie and now this T V show. I I'm enjoying whatever they're they're they're giving me, I'm gonna take. I guess. And Carrie doesn't have the same Uh gravitas as Jason Voorhees. Plus That's all I'm Mike Flanagan. Carrie. So you know somebody super talented is doing it. I don't like some of the stuff that's going on with Carrie either, but I don't care. Right,'cause it's it's Carrie's not really Close to your heart, I guess, as right. The original Carrie is a masterpiece, but I'm not sitting there thinking, like, how dare you soil the good name of Carrie by making her, well, spoiler alert, also for that, making her, you know, part of some kind of super society of. telekinetic uh supervillains. But

7:38 Yeah. But Luke looked it up. Didn't you look it up? I looked it up. Saying what? And said, in the book, it implies that other people have telekinesis. Yeah, like there's other people out there in the book. I believe that. That's just like in The Shining, there's other people that have the shining. And you listen to some fan theories, they will say that, you know, it's like Danny and Tony. you know, like all that crap and and Scatman Crothers. But everyone will say like, no, Jack Torrance has the shining. He got it from his dad. Like don't you think that like even for like carriers or something like don't you think that There has to be more than one on the planet that has this kind of shit. That's what Mom said. Right. The world's a big place. Yeah, I get that. I just it's like I like your um comparing it to Boba Fett because I was thinking Yoda. Nobody will touch Yoda, right? Like, nobody knows shit about Yoda.

8:40 And no one It has the balls. To mess with that, right? Well, that's why I think they have Grogu, because just if that was like baby, like the real. Baby Yoda, that would have been horrible. Like, Grogu's not Yoda, we assume, I guess. No. So they're not going to touch. Yeah, you're right. Like, Yoda would make him great is you don't know anything about him. He's just old. Yeah. Well, he can't be, he can't be Yoda just based on the timeline of the shit that he wants that too, but they could make some kind of. DeLorean thing. You know. But I think it's funny that you compare it to that because when they started making that and Dave Filoni and Jon Favreau immediately were like, Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, wait. This isn't Yoda. Don't get mad at us. This is a new character. Just don't get mad. Right, they know not to mess with that. Not to fuck around with some yeah, yeah. Yeah, if you're Exactly right. Well I told you Started watching this and I had one of two fears. This kind of had no shot with me, and maybe that's partly my fault.

9:45 Because I think that this was completely unnecessary. I think you s you started watching this with the rather than a chip on your shoulder, you had a fucking machete on your shoulder. You had you already had You already told yourself, I'm not going to like this. Well, I think I would have liked it when I first heard about it. I was excited about it because I thought. It would have been great if Jason wasn't in it at all. Or maybe you have the drowning and you show her reaction to that. But then that's it. And this was going to be the backstory of Pamela Voorhees, which it is. But I thought that if this was just Pamela, because nobody knows, like, there's a reason where she's been from the time that he drowned to the time. You know, that she's There in that damn blue sweater. She's been in the kitchen cooking. The whole time. The whole time. Never goes home. I know you like I'm nice and sloppy. Sloppy do. Sloppy. Where's my Jason? So I would I was okay with the Pamela Voorhees stuff.

10:46 As soon as I started watching it, I was like, oh, this isn't This isn't what this is going to be at all. And I told you my first fear was. Because of the makeup of that kid from 1980, it has always been assumed that Jason is a little boy with a disability. And when you do that in a movie with me, you better be fucking careful. I totally, yes, you are, you, yes, with you. Watch out, yes. So I was worried that they were going to make him be this poor little boy with a disability that everyone picked on and they didn't watch him and he drowned because they were boning somewhere. And I don't like I don't want to see that patronizing bullshit. So The other the opposite happened. They made him the most adorable and cute little boy that I've ever seen since Brian Bonsall on Family Ties. They both have the same head shape.

11:48 So When I watch my Jason, the zombie Jason's basically a zombie in all those other movies. Yeah. It's nice it's not nice to know that at one point he was acute Cuddly kid that loved his mommy, and he was like, Oh, cool, mommy, you got me camping equipment. Oh, a bow and arrow. Oh, can we make a campfire? No. We'll see. That was the thing when Kel was watching and with this, she immediately broke for Jason, felt so sorry for him. Well, I'm yelling at her, saying, No, no, sorry for him. He's Jason Voorhees. He's going to kill everybody. did make you have Hard for him and feel bad for him. But at that moment, he's not the killer yet. No, he's he wasn't born a killer. He was Created in the one, I guess. Wow. Yeah. Well, then you told me, I turned it, I know exactly why I turned it off halfway because I still was like teetering between you better be fucking careful and this is fucking stupid.

12:52 Right. So it would and neither side was good. It was a teeter-totter where on both sides I was fucked. And then it was shortly after he got this camping stuff. He goes into the kitchen. And he has what appeared to me at the time to be a seizure. And I'm like, absolutely not. Turned it off. In fact, when I started again, it picked right up with him on the floor. Yeah. Um like you know like having convulsions. And then that's when you told me it, there's a reason. For all of this shit. So without me seeing. Well after this. Yeah, eight episodes, right, buddy? Yeah, yeah, yeah, eight. So I didn't see two through seven. But I saw the rest of the watch part two. What was part two called? I don't chat now. What was part two? Part two. And what was part seven called? probably called the the chapter because they named all the episodes after The movie. Yeah. Which I thought was a little bit neat and clever. I thought the whole thing they had, like, like, like, that's the thing that kind of throws me off, too. It's not.

13:59 There's still the same characters that was in the original movie in this. Yeah. I like that. Yeah, which was and the same Crazy Ralph. Yeah, everything was the same. So this was just happening. The Pam Voorhees stuff was happening. Off-screen from this movie when it was going on. But I still don't understand why. He died well, I know, he died in the first one and at the in the finale he's Yeah. That I don't get that part, but instead, okay, Brahma makes them stronger. Yeah, but do you old, do you, do you old faster? Do you age faster? You know what I mean? Who knows? They make up their own rules with this shit. It makes no sense. That is true. But I was scared too about he The whole history was, I guess. She had a miscarriage. Right? Luke? Yeah. And it w and it was Jason. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But somehow The old Christine guy, I don't know his name. Yeah. Julia Louis Dreyfus's brother on the adventures, The New Adventures of Old Christine. He was her husband or boyfriend? He was her husband. He was some kind of mad scientist, which is very mad scientist. Introducing a mad scientist to anything is never good. It's never a good. Let's introduce a mad scientist. Oh, you don't have any ideas, do you?

15:15 A mad scientist never ruined Bugs Bunny and Gossamer. Okay? Hmm. people. That was fun. So, yeah, a mad scientist, but the miscarriage happened. I guess the baby was dead inside her, but then he. Shot put like a shot in her belly. Something that injected it and then brought the baby back to life. Yeah, is that why? His face the basketball head. Like, his face is deformed, do you think? Or was he I don't know like was he born was he in the belly Style. perfectly handsome young boy. And then did the shot. Create The goonies is conditioned. Yes. So she got shot. It wasn't, they pulled the baby out and the baby got shot. She actually got the shot too. So she should have also this. No, I think they should have soldiers serum. Yeah, she smashed the baby. Yeah, so

16:16 None of it's going in her skin. Yeah, but the serum's still inside the needle. I have no idea. Oh, Christ almost. But I think the needle shot inside the the the the baby part. All right. Which is why she's on the run because supposedly people show up at at her house. Who who, why? Why did they show up again? Cause they, oh, because they said, oh, we thought they were. They knew they were like lying. Jason. Yeah. Yeah. Cause the. Jason died and they couldn't find the body. These two people show up saying that we're the cops or whatever. We found Jason, come with us. Yeah. And they weren't They were just lying'cause they She escaped from wherever. Charles Xavier's, you know, colleges. And then They try to kill her and he, she just slowly just loses her shit and kills people one by one. Dave, you're missing some of the like classic Jason. Minus Jason, pay him Voorhees kills. I'm sure he can watch a super cut of that and not have to put up with all this other horseshit, though.

17:22 But it's really good. I love her. Linda Cardellini's great. No matter what she's in. Freaks and geeks on up. I loved her. Right. She is becoming or has become one of my favorite actresses. Every time I see her in something, and it's a and it is a lot of series, she was in the What was that thing with Christina Applegate? There were two seasons. That was Dead to Me. Dead to Me? That show is so great. What a great premise. And there's so many. DTF St. Louis was the best thing in last year. It was. It really was. And she was a big part of it. Mm-hmm. Scooby-Doo? Well, yeah, I mean, fuck it, Scooby-Doo. Avengers? Yeah, Hawkeye's wife, right? Yeah, yeah. She's always great. And I'm not saying she isn't great in this because the scenes I saw, she does a fine job. I just don't like the business that they've come up with. But what don't you like what what would you have wanted? I would have wanted very little Jason whatsoever and us knowing nothing else about him.

18:27 See the drowning in the flashbacks in part one. Right. You don't need to see it recreated. They could have used the same footage, honestly. Very little Jason whatsoever, and me knowing nothing about him, but me seeing Pam Voorhees slowly unravel. As this mother who is goo going through the throes of the worst thing that's ever happened to her, the loss of her son. And hell bent on revenge for the people that caused it. And she doesn't know what to do with that hatred. So she takes it out on the campers. Little by little, until it's close. The other things that I did like about the show, to give it any kind of compliment, was the things that you were just talking about: the nods to the former characters, because that happens pretty early on. We we you know from the movies that she was the cook because she says that. Betsy Palmer says that. Um and then Friday the thirteenth.

19:29 Christie, the son of the Christie's is trying to reopen the camp. So the Christie that you see, last name Christie is the dad who's running the camp. And he's like, I'm Bob Christie or whatever, Christie. And it's like, okay, this is the dad when it was a booming camp. I like that stuff. The crazy round stuff, I would have liked to have seen. I mean, I'm not going to watch this. Honestly, I'm not going to watch this. The thing that I was most. interested to see in this show was how they Crazy Ralph. Because when you see him in parts one and two. I mean, he is fucking crazy Ralph. He's gone, yes. Oh, yeah. It's got a death curse. I don't think he's as crazy in this as he was in that movie. Well, you know, like, I want to see, you know, on his way to crazy Ralph. or mostly sane Ralph. And then he pedals off on his bike. Yeah, I love Crazy Ralph. I think she went to sus Dave. Likes everything except of this backstory of baby Jason and him being nice. That's the thing that ruined it. Yeah. I think for me. I didn't want to see him treat. I didn't want to see.

20:40 Poor depiction of a person with disability, and I didn't want to see a cute little nice kid. who was really he was really fucking sweet. You know? He was and and according to like The myth, whatever, is that he drowned because they're at camp councils having sex. But in this series, they are having sex. Some girls watching them, she becomes kind of crazy. But then the basketball, whatever it is, volleyball, your volleyball, gets thrown in the lake far away. And then he goes for it. Yeah. And he's doing it because he wants to not only be seen as like. Typical kid, but he's also doing it because he's, he wants to. Kind of show off for that girl. Yeah. I don't know why. She's the only one that's nice to him. Yeah. Like, who is that girl? I don't know why, like, later on, which Dave doesn't know this. kills. Shoot people having sex. Yeah. But she took all kind of drugs. Oh, because all the 60s. Yeah, the 60s gang gave her mushrooms and drugs. The hipsters. The hipsters, the hippies, whatever. They gave her drugs. So she killed Dave. Those, the two people who had sex. What a waste of time. What a waste of time to dive into her story. But Pam finished him off.

21:55 Oh, she stabbed them, didn't really truly kill. Yeah. Then Pam came over and said, I I I'll take care of this. Yeah. And kill it on both. Yeah, I wish you would watch it. I wish I wish you would just maybe I think you're watching this show in the future. Just shut your brain off and watch it. That's the fun part of watching things, is turning your brain on and having it stimulated by good writing. If you fucking watch the the the the Greasy Strangler Thank you. The Greasy Strangler and then the the the other movie that you just watched, whatever that was called of the of the moist Basket of goo, whatever you are watching. The moist basket of goo? What's the moist basket of goo? It sounds fantastic. You can watch this. This is going to be better than anything of that kind of thing. Pete Strang is dumb and dates like that. He watches it every day. But it's funny. It is you both laughed, so don't even fucking start. That is true. We laughed a lot. Yes, we did.

22:59 car wash. Um Yeah, I I I'm not gonna watch this. But uh I just was completely disappointed and I guess I knew it was gonna be. I don't I don't think I like origin stories. Well that's the thing is like like maybe that's why Dave didn't like Blackface. Bring up Clayface again. It's hard to do to do these Star Wars ones solo. And then they also get to see Lando Calrissian and I was like, I don't I really don't need to know any of this stuff, really. Is this I'm not like is this for other people like We're in our fifties and we grew up with the originals. Like Luke's for my generation. Is this for Luke's generation? Is for is this for our kids? So maybe. We don't get it or accept it or understand it, maybe? I mean, I guess. I would think that young people would be completely bored by this, though.

24:02 Government conspiracy. Well, it's not a government conspiracy, some corporate conspiracy. Of some drug that makes someone superhuman and they're chasing the mother of a boy that died. I like it it doesn't that that doesn't I don't think that appeals to young people, does it? I think today's horror movies for the for for the for our kids. Are not like this. They're like the like the saws and the hostels and the obsessions and the back rooms and they get. But those movies even are so different. Saw and hostels torture point. If you want to see people get their skin ripped off or their nuts pulled out. You watch that. Just watch Jackass. Yeah. Obsession is on another level compared to the I understand why young people like obsession because every like I understand why everybody likes it. That would really appeal to young people. This was so boring. That last, so you're like, we were standing in the movie theater lobby.

25:03 or seeing something. Right. Was it clay face? I think it was before or after Clayface. Yeah, fucking Clayface. Jesus. And you were like. You gotta watch the last episode. The last episode. No, you go. The last episode will blow your mind. It'll blow your mind. And I go, oh, then I'll just watch the last episode. And you go, no, you have to watch it. You got to watch every minute of it. You have to watch the whole thing. And I go, I'll just watch the last episode. Because I know you're a diehard fan of A certain Jason, and he appears. and the end of finale. Right. My favorite Jason is what I call pillowcase Jason. But everyone calls, what's, what'd you say, Luke Sackhead? People call her a sack. A sack, yeah. Yeah, that that sounds sexual. I like Jason Sack. Yeah, I I uh Just because you put a 12 year old. In overalls with a bag over his head doesn't mean I'm instantly going to like it because I had to sit through.

26:06 A lot of uh fuckery. to get to that point. of The guy coming in. Oh, I'm a good guy. I just want to find my wife. The cop is hiding the wife. Well, now they pull guns on each other and everyone, it's become a standoff where everyone just has guns on everybody and they're just in a put the gun down, put your hands up, put your gun down. Somebody fucking shoots somebody. Because I am getting bored. What did you think? I just that last episode was tremendously boring. Dave gets bored with a lot of stuff. Yeah. Dave has like a short No, I'm too focused. What did you think then when Jason saw his mom and was choking her out. And then why do you think he stopped? 'Cause he remembers her? Yeah, I guess. I mean, there's there's always a piece of humanity in these killers. to my favorite Friday the thirteenth is part two when

27:10 Amy Steel plays the last girl. She finds is She finds his fucking bachelor pad, right? Yeah. She puts the heads there and, you know, Jason care Jason cares about his mother. He cares enough that he kept her head. And She puts the sweater on and she talks to him and she's like, Jason, mother is talking to you. And he stops and he like turns his head. There's always a piece of humanity. In these Michael Myers, you know, like he turns his head. Like, that's that's the key for any serial killer. When they turn their head, that's them having the feels. Like when they have like that that that dog cocked head look. Yeah. The dog's head. Honey? So there's some Freddy to the cock his head. No, Freddy doesn't need to. He just he just he he cracks jokes then and then he kills you. Yeah. Um th This wasn't for me. I'm sorry. That's okay. No, that's I was really excited. I thought you were going to really.

28:12 Enjoy it. And I was like, oh, I can't wait to talk to talk about it about it. And then we said, I watched it halfway through the first episode. I turned it off. I'm like, oh, shit. Yeah, well I bail on stuff when I know I'm not going to like it. You don't. You stick with it. I know. I, that's an illness. It's a sickness. I, I, I watched the whole thing. It's shit. I gotta see where it goes. You'll watch nine seasons of a bad show just because you started it. That that is true. And I I'm curious, one of our Listeners and and good friend Ted Dastick Jr. is always Posting his reactions of stuff that he watches. Nothing about Crystal Lake yet, and he's like a horror fan too. And I'm just I don't know if I'm concerned or worried. Or Curious if you even watched it yet. He also meant another Peacock. For that too. But you gotta have Peacock to watch this, right? Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm sorry that I didn't like it. You were really upset.

29:14 I was'cause I thought I don't know I guess I I put that aside. Kind of saying that Dave would like. Yeah, like this is just right up Dave's alley. Like they like. It doesn't bother me that they showed all these dumb formulas to watch. Yeah, cute and cuddly. That doesn't bother me because I know. That's he's not that now. Like, I don't, I don't care if he's that then. He's not that like that now. Well I choose to believe that this is its own standalone thing. And it doesn't affect the movies that I like. That's how I think everything that's how you should take everything as The new Michael, like anything that's a redone, rebooted, whatever, it doesn't take away. If you leg what you like, then watch that. You know what I mean? That's a good way to put it. Just because I didn't like solo doesn't mean I'm never going to watch Star Wars again. Right. I'm never going to. I hate Harrison Ford for life. No. Yeah, right. Alright, so that's the moral of the story. Flush it if you don't like it.

30:16 Right, right. This is a turd I'm happy to flush. Right. I loved hearing the theme. The theme? I think the same guy. I think the same. What is this guy? Is this Harry Manfredini? Don't just listen to the watch to the movies. Yeah, but I'm glad that he they brought him back though for the show. And so it it's still i I thought that this show had 80s filming To it. It had how the camera is like behind a bush and blurry here. Watching someone. And shaky here. It had the 80s Friday 13th style. All right, well that that deserves credit. I'm not going to slam that because that's good. good for uh Posterity's sake. It's just it's the story, I guess. It's just the story. I don't want to think of this idea of this mad scientist. I'm gonna I'm gonna Once said,

31:18 I'm glad you enjoyed it. That's right. That's what I say when you like something and I hate it. I go, I'm glad you liked it. Yeah. Because I am. I want you to like it. I want people to like it. I don't know. You said that this is pretty divided. People like there are people that like it. You said it. People love it. People people hate it. Yeah, it's like it's not like in between. Like, people are like, yeah, they love it to death. This is the best thing. Thank God this is back. Jason's back. Then there's like, then there's like, holy shit, this is the worst thing I've ever seen. Yeah. If you like this is the best thing to ever have you do the friday thirteen thank god the f the franchise is continuing now with this new blood, no put intended, you know. I wish I would just make more movies. Well that that too, I wish they would make like well the the remake came out. I liked it nine. Yeah, in 2009. He was so long ago. And it was, I liked it. I know. Yeah, it was that kind of thing. I'm like, yo, no, he doesn't. This is, this is wrong, and this is wrong. It was, it was, it was good. I liked it a lot. Like, make sequels to that. They, everybody's constantly making stuff and then giving up on it. Yeah.

32:26 But the Elm Street remake sucks. Oh, I hate that one. Don't I'll never watch that one. Sounds dog shit. Don't even let me watch that one, Dave, again. We're not doing it. We're not going to do it. Uh commentary? Uh-uh. Nope. I'm done. Yeah, that's That's the way you feel about That's the way I feel about this. But I agree with you. That movie's terrible. Yeah. I'll never watch that. But remember remember we did did did the commentary with Erica? Of that one? Yeah. Oh. We watch all the El Elm Streets. Even that one? Yeah. No. I I blocked that out. I don't remember this either. That was years ago, I guess. Yeah. You might have to go back and listen to those. I think, yeah, me. On NEOZAZ.com. Thi is the the Elm Street. Each each one. Yeah. I don't remember watching that one. You know what I mean? That he doubted. But anyway. You like the guy who plays Freddy in that? I like him in that and and other stuff. He's he's fine. Yeah.

33:28 He's he looked he was two feet tall now. Not my Freddy. Nope, not my Freddy and not my president. Not my Freddy. Well This was a reaction. It doesn't mean it means anything. No. This is just how. Luke and I once again are right. And then Dave has to be different. No, that's not the way we should end this. We can be on both sides of the aisle and respect each other's. Opinions, can't we? Yes. Yeah, yes, we can. I I understand why you feel the way you feel. Yeah, I understand why the way the f way y'all feel. That's why I always say, like, I'm glad you like it. I'm not just saying that to be. dismissive. I do I do really I am really glad that you liked This stuff because it's there to, it does, all this stuff is there to entertain people. So I'm glad it's entertaining somebody, even if it's not me. I would have been upset if I did not have peacock, you know.

34:29 I can't watch that. If you never watched a Friday the 13th movie. And just watch this, would you like it? That's a good question. Like, if I didn't have the background of something that I have enjoyed since I was a little boy, this was a standalone story of a New thing about this weird camp? Yeah, maybe. Yeah. But it's in our blood. buddy. It's whatever Jason or whole lives is all about. The horror movies and shit. That's a good, that is a great question. Yeah, if this was some other series and not called Crystal Lake. Yeah. Camp Winner Maka. And it was about a little boy named Ralphie. and his mother named Wendy. and all this shit happened I'd be like, oh yeah, this camp thing's not so bad. Yeah, I think you're right, Luke. Yeah. Just the name Crystal and Voorhees attached to it is what makes it. I don't know about that.

35:32 but I still don't watch it. We actually went to the real camp where they filmed the first movie. In Jersey, somewhere over in Jersey. Yeah, we went there like in the summertime. In the summertime. Just to say, I heard it's filmed around here. And we drove. You're not. Drove down that like driveway and then we got out and we saw a few of the they did do tours. Yeah, there is tours. Like, now. Yeah. But we saw the lake. We saw some of the cabins. We saw the those posts. Yeah. And then Because we shouldn't have been on the ground. Right. Yeah, you could have gotten like the cops on it. They were called the cops on it. I have looked into doing that actually to see if it was something that we could all do. Can you spend the night too? Yes, you can. And. But I wouldn't do it now because it's probably not only more Uh it's busier. It might be more expensive. because people are, you know, into this crystal lake. But that town that's Blairstown, right? Where the diner is in the first movie that girls hitchhiking, she's the one that's late to camp. She's the first person that gets killed.

36:39 And she goes into the camp and she gets picked up by that trucker and she sees crazy Ralph and all that stuff. They use that diner again and it looks great. You're right. About this crystal lake. You can go there. And that diner i there there's a diner there. It's like a Friday 13 diner. We should go there. Yeah. Is that out there too? Where they film where Lake Area? I think it's near it. Yeah. It's right near Seattle, somebody. So there's like a tour that you can take where they take you to the diner, they take you through the town, they take you all around the camp, and then do they have like merchandise? Probably. Yeah. And then you spend the night. Which I would do, Kelsey, no, because you know for a fact there's got to be like 10 people in Jason costumes just walking around. So if you think you got away from one, there's another one. Yeah. I would love that. If some guy like kicked the door in with the with the bag on his head or the mask or whatever, I would just go, Yes, we we should try and do that. We should do that maybe next year. All right. Yeah, we that's something that we sh look into.

37:44 Alright. Luke's pain. Mm. And and if if we do If we do go go to this thing next year or in a couple years. We can tell stories, I think, then. Yeah. Like what kind of stories? Like, what do you mean? Like, like, we can, do you know how we can get around the little campfire, maybe, like, make s'mores? Tell, like. tell like stories that that like maybe like Haunted or horror or weird stories that happen to us in real life. Huh. Like they do in the movies. Yeah, like they do in the movies. They sit around like a campfire. They mention it. It is getting kind of cold. Can see my breath. Like, are you guys getting cold? My teeth are a little bit chattering. Yeah. Yeah, it is getting a little chilly. Yeah, it is. We should start a fire. Let's get chill. Oh, that's a good idea. Go over there and Grab some of that of that wood. Okay, I will. Make it snap back.

38:47 What? What'd you say? I'll be right back. Don't say that because you know why? I mean you might not come back. Man, it's cold, David. Are you are you cold? Our body heat will keep us warm. Oh, are your nipples cold? Let me see. Can you tell? I can cut glass. Did you get the wood? Did you get the wood? I got the wood. Put it put it on the fire. Well yeah, yeah, yeah. Well that was fast. That that was you knew how to start a fire, man. Were your boy scout? No, uh I learned it from Survivor. So from Jeff Jeff Probst taught you how to make a fire prop. Man, this uh I'm more feeling. Feeling toasty. I guess I'll go first. I have a story. Oh you do? Yeah, yeah. I have a story.

39:47 And this is this happened to me. This is a this is a true story. How old are you? I wanna say I was like around amazing like around eight or eight, nine, maybe ten at the tops. It was In Marlton, New Jersey where wh where my dad's mom used to like live at. We used to go there for whatever Thanksgivings, holidays, Christmases. Gatherings. And she had this. Porch, this enclosed porch. I usually just sit back there. And just sit, I guess. To get away from your family. Yeah, right. Maybe I had like a little one of those stupid football. old football handhelds or the old soccer one. Oh, yeah. Um Then Behind her house, there there's her her little backyard. And then behind all that, they were building all new hopes. Why are you laughing? I told you this is the story, Luke. It's not funny. This is a true, true fucking story. Luke, don't laugh. Don't laugh at me. All right. Your dad's being very vulnerable right now.

40:52 And I tell the story, everyone everyone who knows me knows this story. So anyway, I was back there playing and I looked out. The window Then A little bit back, I saw this. Demon-shaped figure. With like It was all black, but horns or some kind of horns got come out of his head. with his hands saying like I was gonna say Fingering me. But it's how do you say, like when you say in Kamir with your finger? All right. Beckoning you. That's the perfect word, yes. Oh my god. Like he was like saying like he like this thing was like like saying like Kmir, Kmir, Kamir. And I kind of look at them as I getting scared. So so I went in. Told my dad and my brother. And my dad came out and he said, Where? And he and we walked. to where I thought this thing was, okay?

41:54 And the crazy thing is, is that where I thought this creature was... We were walking and right there was like was a gigantic hole. with like broken glass and wood and lumber and trash. Where I always thought this thing was trying to call me. I would trip in and over something and land in this gigantic hole. And I swear on everybody. In this room, which is just two of us. that this really happened to me. He was trying to kill you. I think so. I always thought that he was this this thing was like luring me out there to ch to witch where did it go after I have no idea. I don't I don't know. Maybe he was afraid of my dad. I have no idea. I always told this story. I know exactly. I can see it right now. I can, like, it's like a movie in my head. I can see the image of what I saw. Did you ever have nightmares about it? No, but I did have nightmares of a painting of Jesus Christ laughing at me. But that's another story. All right.

43:03 Well, so yeah, that was Dave. That was Christianity can be scary. They had it we had a stupid Jesus side Jesus Christ In my bedroom, when I was a kid, be bunk beds, and it was up there. And I had plenty of nightmares when I would leave. Like his eyes would like move and look at me. And then sometimes I would get like scared. He would be pointing, ha, ha, ha, laughing at me. That had some weird Jesus Christ. And I have that painting, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's upstairs now. Did he do that when you would like? Touch yourself. Probably. He was laughing at that. That's why he was always laughing because I was always Oh, ho, ho. Jesus laughs at your wiener. So that that was that was my little Ghost Horror Story. Wow. Wow, that gave me the chills on like... Yeah. I know. I know. I don't think, Lou, you didn't have anything yet, right? You didn't know anything weird in your life? No.

44:09 Oh great. Thanks for contributing. If so, don't tell me. There there was Nothing like like to you, like in your bedroom, there's nothing Good. Kaylin had one. Close. Okay. She did when Yes, you She was in a room, like sleeping. She was in this sleep paralysis. I remember this now. And she saw like a demon in her room. She told us that she, yeah, that same demon, she couldn't, she couldn't like move. No. And now I'm wondering: was it the same demon that lured me? I don't know. He followed from father to daughter. How old were you when this happened? In where did you say you were? Ohio. Marlton, New Jersey. Ooh, Marlton, New Jersey. Ooh. How old were you? Eight, eight, nine ish. Would have text her now. Wait, are you getting cell service?

45:09 I don't even have my phone. My phone like is I have no battery. Looks like it's nineteen eighty, where are our phones? You should text her, Luke, if you have service to find out how old she was when she had her sleep rouses. If she was eight, it was the same demon. No. Don't tax it financially. Do you know what? No. Don't. I don't have my phone on my dude. Alright, what's her goddamn number? Yeah. I'm gonna text her. I think I have it. Yep, I have it. I'm texting her. They say, how old were you when when you should go say, what is this about? Yeah, it was it was um I remember her, yeah. Maybe that's the real thing, so sleep paralysis. I remember her her telling me this, yeah. And then there was one time that she got so scared because Her w her her bedroom was is by the road in the Melbourne.

46:11 Some fucker put firecrackers? Or something in the mailbox. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And let it Kind of blew off the mailbox and it scared the shit out of her. She came in her room bowing her eyes out. I can see you doing that. Yeah, yeah. I yeah, I can do that, you know, but and then you went out there. In your underwear. That's right. This is what I do, Dave. When if something is weird, if something happens and we hear a noise. Most people like hide or they get dressed or they duck. They run away. I don't give a fuck. As soon as I hear something weird on the front porch or outside, I go right out there in my underwear. I don't care. And I go, Who's out here? I wanted them. Even scarier a fifty three year old man in his underwear. Oh wait, she takes it back. Say what? What'd she say? She said, LOL, I don't know. I think I was about eight. No, are you kidding me? No. That's some old humor. Alright. Fire is getting a little bit

47:14 little bit low. I need I need to make it brighter so I can see. Alright. Well I guess I'll go next. I told my story many times about the woman who walked down my attic stairs And I'm not telling it again because every time I do, everybody fucking laughs at me. You know the one I'm talking about, right? I would I wouldn't mind. I don't I don't think Luke knows it. Oh, okay. Well, if Matt ever hears us, if we ever get out of here alive, mind you. Matt's gonna laugh at this because he thinks this is funny. But I was, I don't know, maybe eight. And my bedroom was at the base of our attic stairs. We had a big, giant attic. You were all eight. Shut up. Don't bring that up. I didn't even hear that. I don't want to know what Dave's at. And I was in my room. I could hear footsteps. Coming. down the attic stairs.

48:18 very slowly. It freaked me out. I go over and I open the door, and coming down the stairs was an old lady Frail grey hair and a bun, kind of like a Victorian dress. glasses and she looked over the top of her glasses and said to me I'm coming to sweep you off your feet. Liz is Christ, damn. and I shut the door and I ran back into my bedroom. And I didn't hear the footsteps anymore. And then I went and I looked again. There was no lady. Yeah, I got you. I didn't get you jumped. Oh my god, dear. Matt likes to laugh with me about the sweeping off my feet. Like, what is do you think that she was in love with you or do you think she was going to kill you the broom? She was going to she didn't have a broom. But she was coming to get me.

49:21 But I wasn't gonna tell this story, but I got another one for you. Okay, okay. This supposedly really happened in my house, the house that I'm sitting in right now. This is my wife's story. In your room in Are you sitting in the room this happened in? No, because Pazuzu is here. Protecting me. That's even worse. That right there, the fucking horror, horror story. By the way, we're not sitting in any rooms. We're sitting around a goddamn campfire. Stick with the story. I'm still, I'm so scared. I don't even know where the fuck I'm at right now. That was good cover. You're very good at improv. Thank God this fire is here. So My wife, I don't think she'll mind me telling this story. If she does, she'll never hear it. She's never listened to one of our podcasts. Her grandparents were lovely people. And uh I got to know them very well'cause we'd been dating since we were sixteen years old. And shortly after they passed away, we moved into this home.

50:24 And my wife claims that she walked through our dining room and both of her grandparents were standing in the corner, Looking at her chill as she walked past the room. And when she got into the other room, she heard her grandmother say to her grandfather. told you she wouldn't see us, Bill. Oh my god. Look, look, look. Fire or no fucking fire. I got gooseies. Your hairs are sticking out. I know. Oh my god, Dave? Davey there? Is Dave here? Where'd he go? Have you a day? Did you see him get up? The Jason Gannum? Now, is it just me and you? Think so. Did you see him get up? I didn't see him get up. You that what's happening?

51:33 Fortnite? Alright, I think it's time to go. There you go. I I think this has been enough. But what happened? Dave? Yeah, it was just taking a leak. Uh oh. Oh my goodness. Happy Halloween to everyone out there. Yeah, I catch my breath. Let's put out this fire so the f the woods don't burn down. And we hope you have a great Halloween. Hope you enjoyed our conversations and some ghost stories and We'll see you next time. Or maybe not.

Box Office Bozo pays tribute to Tom Skerritt, who died in October 2026 at 93. Dave hosts as Chris and Luke try to name seven of the ten highest-grossing films of Skerritt's career, with strikes against them and two lifelines to help. Can they become Box Office Bosses? Afterwards the guys remember why every movie needs a Tom Skerritt, with a stop at his run on Cheers as Evan Drake.

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0:11 Hello and welcome to Box Office Bozo, a game show where NEOZAZ celebrities Chris and Luke Try their hands at guessing the top 10 highest-grossing movies of an actor's career. If they can do that, they will become box office bosses. But if they cannot, they will become box office bozos. Play along with or against them as you, if you can avoid becoming a box office. Woohoo! Luke and I are right now on on a sandy beach shirtless wearing jeans. Oh yeah. Playing volleyball, all chiseled, all chiseled and ripped and glistening from the sun and the sweat. Yeah. And it was so it was so amazing how those guys who were fighter pilots also happened to be like pro level beach volleyball players. Damn right. I think that's a course. To become a pilot, you got to learn how to play volleyball well. Yeah, really?

1:16 Didn't you like like let's just say like when they go to college? Whatever it's called. Air Force uh Well they were Navy pilots, so they went to Annapolis. Maybe you know how when you went to college, one of your courses was was ping pong, right? I had as a gym class I had juggling. See? Badminton. For gym class. And fencing. Safer and fencing. I'm a good knife. At least it it was when I was, you know. 19. I don't know. Nothing Dave has to use in today's job world. You would be surprised how many times I have to fence at the grocery store. But maybe volleyball was a course that they had to take to, you know, as a gym class. You know what I mean? Maybe. And I already we we're already are out of line. We're being way too uh uh jocular. About what we're about to do. Why we're wearing we should be a little more respectful and remote or morose. And I blame Luke.

2:22 So do you want to explain what we're doing or do you want me to? You can do it. Alright, so we generally, when someone dies. See? Yeah. Just told the way Dave said it. Okay. When when someone dies But Because Tom Skerritt. Was not a headlining A-list or actor, but more of a character actor that we all like from things. Like we all grew up in the 70s and 80s. Well, Luke didn't, but you know, most of our memes ass core. We grew up watching Tom Skerritt. Really deliver. in a lot of great roles as a fantastic character actor. So in tribute. The passing of Tom Skerritt rather than doing a best of fives. We will do a box office bozo in memoriam. Of the late Great Tom Skerritt, where you We'll have to guess his top 10, seven of the top 10 highest-grossing movies. I have worldwide gross here.

3:26 You get three sort of four strikes to do it. If you can't, you will be boxed off as Bozo. You have two lifelines, one being claim a co-star, where you can ask me for a co-star in any of the movies. Or fill up a friend where you can ask anybody you want what they think are some of the top. Movies of this actor. And I have a feeling for Tom Skerritt: like, if I text anybody, they're going to say, Two or three that have already been said. Yeah. Cause Tom Skerritt. He's not a he's not a Disney voice actor. And he didn't play Iron Man's Dad. That's all you needed. Marvel, yeah, and and voices are gonna be this. This is gonna be really rough'cause'cause he's like Dave said, he's like not like starring. It's like, he's like, I think I have two in mind. Two are gonna be after the two. We're done. I am forecasting. This episode to be Us being bozos. You say that every time, but you do consult your list. You're not picking this out of midair. You have a list that you can consult.

4:29 Um I think you're gonna do okay because you know This guy. We all know this guy well. He's always, when he shows up in something, you always go, oh, I love Tom Skerritt. And we even saw him at a convention, I swear, three, four years ago, and he was. Signing people had hit a line. He had you never met him. No, I didn't go over there. No, I seen him, but yeah. But if you needed an actor in the seventies and eighties to toe the line and play a certain kind of role. He was the guy. He was, you knew every time you saw him in the credits of something, he was going to deliver. You never saw a bad performance out of Tom Skerritt. Not at all. No. He's he was a s he was like a steady eddie. He always brought the goods. And I respect him and I do really like him. And when you told me, he was like, oh, I guess you heard, right? Who died? And I was like, no. And you were like, Tom Skerritt. No. You were like, yeah, no. Yeah. You were like pretty. Bummed out and all about that. Love Tom Skerritt. Yeah. And God rest his soul. So we're going to do this in tribute to him rather than a mess of fives.

5:37 But yeah, I'm ready to listen if you're ready to guess. I'm ready to guess. Luke, you said you have two immediately. Let's let's hear your tip. I think Top Gun is an Alien. I think it was like late 70s. I would think it made some money. Oh, wait. Tell us the top one and the 10th one, Dave. His number one highest grossing worldwide movie was$360 million. Number 10. But that's a low amount. And I want to ask this first: was he in Maverick? Do you remember him in the sequel? I don't remember him in the in in the season. 'Cause wasn't John Hamm kind of like the new yeah. That I use. New Tom Skerritt guy or something. John Ham and his giant penis. I'm so tired of him. I would be too carrying al along that big giant penis, right? Um do I say top gun? Yeah, let's get that let's get the let's get the obvious ones over with Alien. I hope made more than 18 million dollars.

6:38 But um Dave, Top Gun, final answer. Top Gun came out in 1986 where he plays. Viper. And it made$360 million and is his all-time number one highest-grossing movie. And the thing that people from our generation probably remember him from the most. Maverick, you'll get your reel when you get to your ship. if you don't Give me a call. I'll fly with him. Sir, I mean, I got chills right there. I got goosebumps right there. He was perfect for the role. This is what Tom Skerritt does best. He says he gives you the chills and he leaves. Yeah. One for one. Now he's pissed off. Yeah, that was the one that I'm like, once we name these these two. Let's say Alien. And if that's number 10 to 18, holy shit, we're like fucked that. You know what I mean?

7:43 But um Alien final answer date. Alright. Alien came out in nineteen seventy nine where he plays Dallas. Alien Made $106 million. Is that two? is three. It drops down to three. So Um yeah, like one of the greatest movies of all time, but it came out in 1979. Even if they re-release it, it's not making like the kind of movie that like Avengers Encore or whatever fuck it was called. Right. Like this is one of the greatest movies of all time. It barely breaks a hundred million. Well Some of you may have figured out we're not home yet. We're only halfway there. What? Mother's interrupted the course of our journey. What? Yeah. She's programmed to do that should certain conditions arise. They have. Like what? Seems she has. Intercepted a transmission of unknown origin. She got us up to check it out. A transmission? Out here? Yeah. What kind of a transmission? Acoustical beacon that repeats at intervals of 12 seconds. SOS? Human?

8:56 Unknown. There you go. That's a great funny movie. Like, the only thing that bothers me about this movie sometimes is his hair. I don't know why. His hair looks like it's not real on top of his head. What, an Alien? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, an Alien. Looks like he's wearing like this big black But maybe that was like like the 70s style, I guess. You know what I mean? Yeah, that's like 70s hair. Yeah. Well And the show's over. You got one and three. Now what do you do? Now see, let me, I'm going down his list. He's in so much. Oh, wait a minute. Do you count him as a is that a game? Yeah. Never mind then. Okay. I saw he was in Alien, like an Alien. game but that's not a movie. Maybe they used his voice or his likeness or something. What's his wings? No, that can't be a fucking movie. That can't be that's been that that no, I'm not I'm not picking wings. Wings with uh Tim Daly?

9:56 No, it's called Sky Force Heroes. It's probably like a like right to the tomb. Oh, there is a wings. Yeah but wait a minute, Ted, he's in Ted? Yeah, he he plays himself in Ted. Oh we gotta say say Ted. They said, that hasn't made me go 18 million. Yeah. Yeah. Ted, final answer. He's in Ted? Oh shit. He plays he plays himself? I don't know if I forget it. All right. If that is right. You have um It says he waits. That I don't have. And I will give that to you. He's briefly referenced in TED. There is a photo. So we can't count Ted then. No, he's not in. Okay. Okay. He's not in. His photo's in. Take it back to the bottom. In the movie, John Bennett played Black. Take it back out. Yeah, no, no, we won't I won't count that. In the movie, John Bennett played by fucking Mark Wahlberg. That's what it says here. And the living teddy bear Ted have a moment where Tom Skerritt's photograph is shown, leading to a humorous exchange.

11:04 Yeah, we can't count that. I am so far in 2004. I have seen nothing that caught my eye so far. We're gonna lose this. Oh my God. Tears of the sun. That's Bruce Willis. That made more than 18. This is fucked. We are fucked. Dave would I The hunt for the unicorn now into the wild blue the oh the other sister Nah, I don't know. This is bullshit. Oh, contact. That means something. Dave, I'm going with contact first. Final answer. Yeah. Dude, clusters contact. That needs something. All right, well, contact came out in 1997. It is a lovely movie. But I haven't seen it in a long time. Me neither. It's been forever. Well I'll tell you this, it made a hundred and seventy one million dollars. And it says number two. Yeah, control is shit. Contact. But this made more than Alien? Yeah, but it's money. It's different times. That's 70s money. This is 90s money. Yeah, it came out 20 years later almost. So contact, yeah, he's the guy. So Jody Foster discovers that.

12:13 that message. they're building this big apparatus, this giant spaceship that's going to go through time and space and get to this message. And then they just pick Tom Skerritt to like lead the mission. You remember that? He's an astronaut. I don't remember this movie at all. He's like an older NASA guy, and he's like the steady eddy. He's basically like the Tom Skerritt of astronauts in this movie. And they're like, well, we need a mission command. It's gonna be it's gonna be Tom Skerritt, and he's the one that's gonna go. To find this thing, and Jodie Foster's like, hmm, what about me? So, yeah. Melanie. Congratulations, David. Glad you could come. Didn't uh expect to see you here. Well, I'm still uh you know, crew officers at the control center and I suppose the fact that I discovered the message means that I have some PR value. Of course. Ellie, I know you must think this is all very unfair. Maybe that's an understatement.

13:19 What you don't know is I agree. I wish the world was a place where fair was the bottom of wine, where the kind of idealism we showed at the hearing was rewarded, not taken advantage of. Unfortunately, we don't live in that world. He's so great. He's great. I forget the movie though so much, too. Matthew McConaughey, he's like a Matthew McConaughey is like a preacher. And he is like the religious aspect, the side of This means like going and contacting other beings and stuff. It's a really good movie. I don't want to sound mean, but a pick and time scare films, right? This is obviously why we're doing this. Yeah. He's not the reason these movies are making what they're making. You know what I mean? It's people who he's starring with. Like, I just saw he's in A River Runs Through It. That's fucking Brad Pitt and Robert Redford. That's gotta be there. Not because of Tom Skerritt, because.

14:20 Brad Pitt Robert Redford. I don't think you're being mean by saying that. He's never he's never you know, name above the title. But that's exactly what we kind of said. If he if you need a guy to to be the anchor of your cast. He was that guy for drugs. Three decades. Yeah. And that's gone because of him. Right. I think we get lying. Ooh, Tom Skerritt is in this movie. But if you go down the list of the people on Top Gun, people are like, everybody loves Tom Cruise. And then you're like, oh, Iceman, so cool. And then you're like, what about Viper? Oh, Viper was cool. Viper was the best. He did have a cool fucking name, though. Yeah, but he was like, he was that leader that he, and it's like in contact. An Alien. He's the guy. quarterback's shit. You know what I mean? Yeah. All three of these, he plays basically a military guy. He's a Navy pilot. In contact, he's an astronaut.

15:21 And in Alien, he's an astronaut. He always plays that guy. Yeah, yeah. The guy who's he's been around who has experience and knows what he's fucking talking about. And the guy that you're going to listen to and put your life in his hands. And he's going to, he's never going to get upset. Because he's just going to be the guy that is the adult in the room and runs shit. Use for three. Well, that's why we got to go with A River Runs Through It, early 90s. That had to make more than 18 million. Look, yeah. Yeah. Okay. All right. I don't answer Dave. A River Runs Through It came out in 1992. And it made. $43 million. It's number eight. Oh, shit. That's low down there. But you're four for four. But there's one I He's kind of a the I don't want to say he's a dick in that he's kind of he's he's like the dad that's trying to like teach his sons Life through like fly fishing and stuff like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

16:23 That's that's he's in the rookie. With that eastward and twenty nine? He is in the East. I'm scared. Nothing like that Dennis Quaid baseball movie. Case three. What isn't that? Cammic. The rookie, yeah. Um Oh, wait a minute. Steel Magnolias. Which I always said that if I watch that now, I'll be on the floor rolling around in a puddle of tears. Means something isn't this Julia Roberts. I think that has to be there, buddy. Dolly Parton, yeah, Dave Steel Magnolias. Final answer. Yeah. Alright. That had to make more than 18 million for all the stars in it. Eighty million to see Dolly's boobs? Come on. Alright. Steel Magnolias came out in 1989.

17:25 plays drum eatenton. Still magnolias. Made 96 million. Oh shit! And is number five on the list? We're not getting seven. We need two more. And I'm looking, I don't know anymore. I'm looking. I mean, I'm back to Alien now. I don't know. Up in Smoke, I don't know. Beretta, is that John Wayne? I have no idea. It's John Wayne. I have no idea. There's nothing you're five for five for something that you were complaining about. He gets to be funny in. It's Steel Magnolias. I heard that's great. I heard, I had never, I don't think I've even seen he plays Sally Field's husband, and he's like kind of crazy. Just he's always his guns, like he's like a rifle with them. Like he's he's bonkers. and but funny bonkers. He he's kind of the comic relief. some of the women are funny too, but he's he's a He's a standout in that movie. I'm pretty.

18:28 The dead zones. That isn't that No, isn't that like a the anti-michael hall show? Well, the show was made after the the movie. It's a steaming camera. I don't think so, but Christopher Walken. I don't wanna I don't wanna I hate to say this. But I s I saw here, I told you, he's in Cheech and Chong Up in Smoke. In the seventies, they were the giant silent bob of the seventies. And I think people saw this movie. I think it made more than whatever,$19,$18 million. And must stuff,'cause in the seventies it was all about cheech and chung shit. Nice whatever, nice dreams or whatever like that. I'm running out of options. I ain't saying ice castles. I ain't saying Beretta. Who's that? I gotta look. Is that John Wayne? Beretta, Steamer Queen. Okay, same thing, I am sorry. Beretta's an awesome movie. If you haven't seen Beretta, that's a good one to go back to. What if Robert Duvall and Steve McQueen is really? I love Robert Duvall. Let's stay up and smoke, buddy. After this, we're fucked.

19:29 After this we gotta pick yeah, let's dead zone or the hitchhiker. Or I'm thinking of the hitcher. Never mind. About Space Camp. Isn't that a big movie? Why is he always in a fucking astronaut and all this shit? He's a he's that's what he's good at. All right, well let's let's go with Cheech and Chong first, Dave. Up in Smoke came out in 1978 where he plays Strawberry. 104 million dollars. Holy shit! Everything that you said was correct. It's number four. You have the top five. Yeah. He's you think it's a small role, but you're right. Like in the 70s, Cheech and Chong were a draw. Yeah, and that movie that made a lot of money for them. Yeah. And he's, it's another, it's like not what he becomes known for doing like these military rules. Um Yeah, he's in it. Do we need to run more now? You don't need one more. You have me. You only need one more. You buddy. I've been picking all of them.

20:33 You get four chances basically just to get one movie. But we're not gonna do well. It's not gonna be a good idea. Unless the unless the Eastwood rookie means something people love Eastwood though, buddy. This guy picked someone that made$18 million. See, but and then I wanna say Poltergeist three,'cause Poltergeist was a huge smash. But one of my theories is. Sequels don't don't do as well. And no offense. Three is not the best one. You do have your theories. It's Disney. Marvel and then your sequel stuff. Right. Do you see anything else? Singles? That was pig contacts you now back up here again. Besides Top Gun Alien, he's a really Nothing much. Oh, buddy, look at his last eight actor. Well, hold on. Go to the top. Go to the top of the list. It means there's nothing else. Anything big.

21:33 Well, anything for our Box Office Bozo list. This is supposed to be a tribute to Tom Skerritt, not a shitty actor. He was a bad actor. He was in 300 things, and my God, only two of them were good. I am running out of id ideas, buddy. It's I'm going with either Poltergeist Are you you pick it? No. Older guys, what was the the one I s I sent? Other rookie. Alright. I want to say the say the rookie first because Eastwood was a draw. I'm gonna go with Poltergeist first. Oh shit, you come curious. Dave Poltergeist three. Colon. I didn't even know it had to call on. I know. No. The second one was Poltergeist 2, the other colon, the other side. This is just Poltergeist 3, Colon. We've lost our way. The MTV is still possessed. Yeah. That was the one in the hotel. Do you remember? Yeah.

22:35 None of the freeings were in it except for Carol Ann. And she was living in a hotel with some other relatives. And I think Tom Skerritt was, he was like a stepdad or like an uncle or something. He wasn't a stepdad, but he was an uncle or something that Carol Ann was living with. It's no Joe Beth and no Craig T. Nelson. Nobody was back. It's a horrible, horrible movie. of a haunted hotel that they're like, let's slam Poltergeist into this. Mm-hmm. And Heather O'Rourke I think died shortly after that. Curse of polar guys. Telling you, yeah, this isn't going with it. No, I do. I do want to do it because I'm running out of ideas. Poltergeist came out in 1988. And it made 15 million dollars is number 11. Oh, Box Office Bozo. Just missed. So you have your first strike. Alright now. Alright, that's we have to go within

23:38 Eastwood was a draw. This was his prime. He was He would make something people would see it. Even if it made it had to make 19 million, 18 million. It had to. Dave? I'm going with not Dance Claude at the rookie. Not Nathan Phillians the rookie. I'm going with Cleans Woods, the rookie. The red Came out of 1990. And I don't have the box office stuff here because it's not even on the data that I've done, meaning it's not in the top 10, and that's strike two. Well then I'm an out. Amount of ideas. Dave, I'm gonna right now, I'm gonna I'm gonna use one of my Lifelines Give me an actor. Okay, pick one that you would like. You're missing six, seven, Nine and ten. Let's go with six, because then it's the most the sixth most popular one, I would think. Alright. This is a good use of your Lifeline, because I only know one other actor in this.

24:41 without me looking. I mean, I could I could fuck you over and look up. Somebody that's in this movie way down. Uh but you're actor. Bruce Willis. Then it's that. That's just fucking bad but what would I say earlier? The tears of the sun? Is that why I said now I'm looking? Cause when he gives us an actor, we can't look because then it's like cheating. What did I say earlier? Like Tears of the Sun? What was it? Brothers and sisters, where was that at? Oh it's not this it's not this Recent because Bruce come out in the 90s, I think, or maybe in the early 2000s. There it is. Yeah, 2003. Tears of the sun. Final answer. That's got to be it because it's Bruce. Finally, Tears of the Sun came out in 2003. And it made 87 million dollars. It's number six. And who saw that? I don't remember. I mean, military guy. I know. I saw Tears of the Sun. Sergeant Colonel. It's and it's Antoine Fuqua from the director of Training Day. Like, it was like, I think it was his follow-up to Training Day, and people are like, oh, this guy's great. And that movie is good.

25:47 That is a one-time watch and never watch it again. It's not true, good. Rady, right, as much as you even love Bruce Willis, it's like. I mean, I don't ever need to see Tears of the Sun again, but it was real serious. It was like a gut wrencher and I'm sure he played some military guy, but it's number six on the list, and you have won the Tom Skerritt. Tribute episode. Congratulations. So in a way, we just spiked the volleyball down in Tom Skerritt face. Hit his mustache and the sand came off his mustache. Again, let me remind you: this is a tribute show. Why are you spiking the dead man in the face and having his mustache fall off? I do it. I do it out of love. It was solid. Okay. Well done. That was quick. That was quick and painless. I'm curious. Can you give us an actor of the ones that we didn't get without looking, buddy? Just wanted to see if we can. Yeah, I'll start. I have all the way back to 13. I'll start at 13 just for fun. And I'll give you number 13 your actor is Christopher Walken. I'm not going to look. Okay. That's 1983's the dead zone.

26:56 Oh. Oh, duh,'cause it wasn't walking in the T V show? No, that was the Anthony Michael Hall thing that you were talking about. Okay. Dead Zone is a Stephen King book and uh Cronenberg. the movie. It's a good movie. I don't remember Tom Skerritt in it. But that only made$9 million. That's his number.$9 million? Yeah, his number 13 is$9 million, like not far off his top 10. Number 12, your co-star is... Kelly Preston. Kelly Preston was wasn't that Chavoto's old old wife? God rest her soul. Yeah, God rest her soul. Um Possibly the most beautiful woman. I've ever seen. I don't know. I'll give you another coaster. Donovan Who is from the UC? That's how I know Ted Hammers name. I don't I what year?

27:57 I'll give you one last question. Kate Capshaw that that's Willie. I don't know anything that she's in except for. Oh, wait a minute. He was I right? Space camp? Space Camp, 1986. Space Camp is so much fun. I remember when. I've never seen that. Oh my God. We were 13 when that came out. And I was like, holy shit, this is so much fun. Cause then it's, cause it was a real thing. There is Space Camp. But it was, do you remember the premise? No, I don't, no. So these kids go. It's Tate Donovan and Kelly Preston and it's the Who's the black? Kid from Revenge of the Nerds. Yeah, I see I see his face. Yeah. So they go through space camp and they get to pretend to be astronauts. And they get, as a special treat, they get to sit in the real space shuttle. It's like, wow, this is great. And while they're in it, it launches.

28:59 they go to space for real. That would never happen now. So he must play some NASA administrator. I mean, this is another astronaut movie. Yeah, yeah, another, yeah. The man plays a good astronaut. He does is he an Apollo 13? Yeah, so Space Camp 1986, we were 13, I was all about that because I guess also Kelly Preston, Yowza. I guess they were all how old were they? Were they all teenagers or in their 20s? Yeah. Okay. The actors were probably in their 20s, but they were playing like 16, 17 year olds or something. Right. Yeah, and Kate Capshaw's like the leader. She's like the teacher. the counselor, the head counselor of their space camp group. Love it. They will do, right? I guess. It was after. She and she and she played a a like a young teen? Wow. No, she was the counselor. Oh, okay, okay, all right. Gonna say, damn, she looks good, okay. No.

30:02 Uh elev that was 12. Eleven was Poltergeist. Ten. co-star, I'll give you Matt Dillon. Nah, I don't know any Matt Dillon except Fonda. One or no return. Oh no. Alright, I'll tell you this. I don't know how much this will mean to you. This movie is a kind of love letter to the Seattle Grunge era. Of the 90s. Was it singles? Singles 1902. Made$18 million. The clue I was going to give you, and you're going to be like, shut the fuck up, Dave. There's all kinds of grunge people in it. Like Eddie Vedder, Stone Gossard, Jeff Ament are all in it. The members of Pearl Jam as a band called Citizen Dick. And then like Alice in Chains and Soundgarden, they're all in it. They're on the soundtrack. It's like more famous for its soundtrack. Right. Then I remember when that was out that was yeah, that was a huge Soundtrack movie. But it's Cameron Crow, you know, it's a really great movie. That only made$18 million.

31:05 That's his number 10. All right, number nine, your co-star is Giovanni Ribisi. Then it's that, the other sister, because I remember he's in that, right? Goddamn other sister, which yeah, that's why I didn't say that. Yeah, it's one of the worst movies ever made. It was Gary Marshall, other wife. Juliette Lewis. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yes. It is possibly the most patronizing movie of all time. with Giovanni Ribisi and uh Juliette Lewis. Playing people with disabilities, but just doing it in a very Obscene. an irritating way. Insulting way. You know what I mean? Right. Yeah. Yeah. Because it's Gary Marshall, and Gary Marshall movies, other than Pretty Woman, suck. So The other sister made twenty eight million dollars, came out in ninety nine. You got a river runs through it. Eight. And number seven. Your co-star give you Elliot Gould.

32:09 MASH. MASH is correct. Holy shit, because that's the only thing I know Elliot Gould is, is except for the commie later in life, where I don't even know what they are. But yeah, it's yeah, MASH is it? MASH 1970 made$82 million. It was a big deal. It was a big deal. So this movie connected to the show? The movie came first, right? And then the show was after, or vice versa? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I love the TV show, not Zen. I was like, kid, this is boring. I mean, the show's way better than the movie. Robert Altman directed this, but this was like a highly regarded thing. A couple people from. The movie made it into the show. William Christopher. Plays Father Mulcahy. He's in the movie. And Gary Burghoff, who's radar, is in the movie. Oh, okay. So two people from the movie came to the show. Yeah. But uh Tom Skerritt just plays like he I think his name is Duke. He plays one of the guys that lives in the swamp with BJ and Haw or with Trapper and Hawkeye. Die. Not that hawkeye, buddy. The b a better hawkeye. A hawkey who has more

33:10 Powers in that hawkeye. He hears Hawkeye and gets all excited. Yeah, yeah, Hawkeye. Well done. I'm impressed. I'm impressed too. I really didn't think they would. I thought they were going to lose it. But you gotta pick the movies that were big for other reasons, not because of Tom Skerritt. He was just in these films. You gotta pick the. This was this. I wanna watch Alien again. You know what I mean? I wanna watch what. I guess I saw One of his his early first early works, you know? Yeah. Every movie that that Needs a guy like that does all those things that we said. He battens down the hatches and he just runs the show. Like every movie needs a Dallas. That's like when you watch Alien and see him, it's like, yeah, this is what if I was stuck in this situation. I am on his hip and listening to every word he says. And I I'm comparing it, like I think if I In a way, he's like

34:10 Put a mustache on Kevin Costner. And that's Tom's like the same kind of characters that, I mean, Kevin Costner was a leading man. But if he ever did like a A side like back Co-star and came in here with a stash and said something and left. Yeah. That's Tom Skerritt. I like the way Tom Skerritt does it, though, too. He never plays it, he never plays it tough. He never plays a tough guy. You're never like, you're never. Other than Viper, you're a little afra he's a little intimidating because he's just so serious. But even like Dallas in Alien, he doesn't play it like the tough guy. He's just the calm, s the sense of calm, you know? I want to watch a movie that he kicks acid. I want to see. Tom Skerritt as John Wick. You know what I mean? I want to see him kick ass in something. He must have been in like an action movie where he kicked ass, you know? Yeah, I mean, I would like that too. Because he does, I love what he does, but it would be nice to see him.

35:14 Do other things like how funny he was, I said, and Steel Magnolias. Like, Steel Magnolias is the kind of movie, like, when you're In high school, and you're dating, and it's like, let's go see Steel Magnolias. And it's a chick flick, and you're like, Jesus Christ, right? And you're in this movie, Tom Skerritt's the guy that you hold on to. Like, okay, well, this guy's great. Right. He's funny. He's surrounded by all these women and he's just like fuck it. Like as a teenager, yeah, I probably thought Steel Magnolias, man. But goddamn, if I watched that now, I would probably fucking love it. You should watch it. Yeah, I know. That, and what was the other one? Or maybe it's the same one that Julie, someone has has cancer. And dies. It's like, is this the same movie? She has, um What does she have? She she um I think she not diabetes. She has um Yeah, I think she goes into diabetic shock. Because there's a scene where she starts to like have a seizure. when they're doing her hair and they'd have to like They have to like cram orange juice juice down her throat to get her sugar levels back.

36:18 This might be the same immediately. I think she's got like type 1 diabetes or something. She's like really sick. Oh man. And I can relate to that shit nowadays, so I'll probably be fucking real boring and Jesus Christ. But I love how I love I love all I am a sappy. I love sappy romantic tears. Fucking I I cry in everything. I cry in small veil every week. So that's that's just The other thing that I mentioned to you when you said he died, and the first thing that I thought of, besides your aliens and your top guns, is the time that he spent on cheers. Uh that's right. Yeah yeah yeah. 'Cause we're doing movies here, but he was the sixth season of Cheers was when Rebecca showed up because the bar was bought by a corporation. And Rebecca was put in charge of the bar. Tom Skerritt, who played a guy named Evan Drake. Was like the head of that corporation, at least, you know, in the Boston area. And Rebecca was in love with him.

37:20 So he's in six episodes. He's really memorable. There's a couple, there's one that I remember the most. Do you remember on Cheers when Norm. who was an accountant, but he was like, oh, I was out of work and stuff. He would paint. You remember when he would paint? A little bit, yeah. So he was like a house painter. That's how he would like ma make ends meet. And he gets a job painting Evan Drake's like mansion. Mm-hmm. He's there. painting his bedroom. While Evan Drake's out of town and Rebecca, because she's in love with him, she just wants to see his bedroom. And like six. And then he comes home. And She hides under the bed. She's under the bed for like hours. And Norm keeps trying to get Evan Drake. He comes home. He's like, Norm, I just need to sleep. I'm jetlagged. I got to go to sleep. Thanks for coming. Come back another day. And Rebecca's under the bed. And Norm keeps coming back and waking him up. to get him out of the room because Sam is a ladder. Window. I remember this. Yeah. And Tom Skerritt does this lovely bit of physical comedy where he's in his pajamas and George Wendt is just dragging him out of bed over and over again. And he's exhausted. At one point, George Wendt picks him up and throws him over his shoulder. And then he's like, and the reasons that Norm keeps coming back keep getting worse. And he's like,

38:38 Mr. Drake, there's just one more thing. He's like, what is it, Norm? Can I lie in your bed? Because I always wanted to know what it was like to lie in a rich man's bed. And he's like, whatever, he will get you out of here. It's so funny, but on cheers. Oh, no charge, Mr. Drake. I mean, after all, you kind of own the place. Oh, no, no, no, no. I'll pay for it. Could it cut okay? Sure. Uh I'll need to see a driver's license. I must arrive for that. Fantastic. He was great. They and they he makes you feel good, you know? Tom Skerritt, God rest the soul, and good job. Rest in peace, Tom Skerritt. Rest in peace. Well it'll always be my Wingman. Oh, look at that. You did something really nice there. You wanna take us out? Well yeah, thank you for listening to this this um episode of

39:40 I am said the wrong thing, back to his buzzer. Where we um pay tribute to Tom Skerritt. One of the best. We'll see you next time. Ha ha ha ha!

Clayface just hit theaters, so Chris, Luke and Dave each rank their five favorite actors who played Batman villains, with Tim McGeorge along to judge. First come the Clayface verdicts from a very eventful screening. Then the lists, the honorable mentions and one big mix-up over what the assignment actually was.

Also mentioned: NEOZAZ Goes to Crystal Lake, and the Clayface review on Pass the Popcorn.

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0:20 Na na na na na best of fives N na na na na na na na na best of fives. Your remix. Your remix. As you can tell, this is going to be a Batman episode. due to Clayface, which just came out this this weekend. Which I'm here with my son Luke. My my podcast of Buddy Dave. Uh And seconds ago, just calling me to talk about. His opinion on Clayface, and I said, Just wait, we're about to record. He goes, I'm gonna be on is Tim. Well I had the idea to do... No, was it you Lucas had top five villains? I I said top five Batman villain. Right. And I was like, ooh, even better let's do like Batman like actors or actresses who've portrayed any Batman villain and anything out there.

1:21 TV, cartoons. Movies, whatever. So that's what we're doing. Tim McGeorge is joining us at the very last minute. He doesn't have a list, but he's going to comment on ours. be like Chris you're stupid Dave genius Luke, shut up. That's how it's gonna go. Yeah. Why, because Tim and I agree? Well, let's let's get this over with. So I don't I don't have no to to Dave and I and Luke saw Clayface. In the same theater, not together'cause they've had to sit. Somewhere else because it was packed. Yeah. I sat between strangers on both sides, one of whom was a loud eater and one of whom, you know, like you can recline the seats and your feet go up and then you have to like scooch by people's feet. Yeah. Bare feet. Bare feet. He tells this. Someone tells it. So, like, you got to go in, and it's like, you know, people move their feet a little. This guy, bare feet, hairy, you know.

2:23 Toe knuckles. And when you walk past, he would barely like kind of hit his ankle just a little bit. That was all he was willing to do to let people buy. I think that his toe knuckle hair grazed my thigh. Grazed your mustache. Wait a minute. Well, I was sucking thumb. You see, she's like, you know, this is really inappropriate. Maybe we should get some more butter flavor. That is the smallest thing I've heard. I didn't even know about that. Yeah, but that wasn't the worst part of the evening because then the movie started. Well, let me say how Luke and I. We enjoyed it. We really enjoyed it for what it was. I'm glad it was a new buddy, whatever. The guy, I didn't expect much. I like the Gotham feel. I thought the origin of who he how he became Clayface and the I thought that Nightclub scene was fucking famous.

3:24 I really, really enjoyed it. And then Dave walked up. After it was over and said that I go, Dave man. How was it? And he goes, Okay. It was watchable. Watchable. And then Tim texted me last night. I was at a wedding, and he texted me saying, I hope Clayface gets better because this movie fucking sucks. In capital letters. How far into the movie were you, Tim, when you saw it? I was maybe an hour into the movie and I was like. I was like, this movie fucking sucks. It's so boring. It's everybody. I hate everybody in the movie. Like, it's just, it, it was, it's just terrible. It's, There uh Uh the the good aspect is there are some neat There are some neat effects. There's a couple cool shots. Yeah. Uh you know, earmuffs for people who haven't seen it who don't want to be spoiled. You do get to see

4:25 Last chance. You do get to see the classic. Comic slash Animated series look of clayface. And I was like, that's cool. And it's over. That's even better. Oh, that was the best part was that you saw the animated clear face. I'm like, holy shit. Yeah, you can see that anytime you want. Play the Lego Batman game. You can see it right now. That's what Luke said he looked like. You know, I'm saying an animated series, and Luke goes, That's what I said. He looked like the Lego Batman. I was like, oh, yeah, he did. I mean, yeah, other than that. You know how you got all Tim? No, no. Uh there was no Oh, well okay. There there I'll tell you, early on in the movie. when they're at the club. And he And he sees that girl across the way. And then also there's like that nip slip and you're like, oh, it was like, it was like you got that cheap thrill of like, that's not supposed to be there.

5:30 Then you realize, oh yeah, no, no, they they intentionally put the nipple in there. It's an intentional nipple. Oh yeah, it's it's not a nip slip, it's a nip hey. It's a nip. Look at this. I'm just shocked. I really thought that I don't know. I thought there's nothing. Like what were you expecting? Like this is just a a an origin story. That was that no one asked for. Yeah. Well, I I'll put it like this. It's it's kind of like the The Marvel villain movies. And it's sort of like that Cruella de Vil. I don't really care to watch a movie about classic villains, although I don't know if Clayface is really a classic villain. I don't really care to watch movies about villains, comic book villains that make them. The hero. Yeah, no, uh, you know, let the villain be a villain. It's like You know, I don't like Cruella de Vil. I don't need to see that Cruella de Vil is, you know, she grew up and she was abused and mistreated and then that.

6:37 Force her to want to make a gesture. That sounds very familiar on something else out there right now. It sounds a lot like a TV show that's on right now that also so. Oh, oh, are you talking about Crystal Lake? Yes. Yeah. I don't care. I don't want to know. If Jason's mother Is a psycho? Let her be a psycho. I don't need to see. I don't need to hear that maybe she ate. you know, bad oats and uh All of a sudden, turning the plot to Hot to Trot. Ate bad oats, and then she and then she becomes a villain. I don't care about that. And she became voiced by John Candy. Yeah. Oats! Bad oats. kill campers the word the words that the word that tim used is the exact word i when i i hobbled up the stairs which is another reason not to sit where you sit god damn it is up there we watched a trailer for like that asshole who climbs the north face of everest and that was me walking up to chris

7:43 I needed a sharpa where you sit. So I get up there, and the first word I use is: it was boring. It was really boring. Just like Tim said. And it's like every other movie, it's 20 minutes too long. I wasn't bored once. I was not. You said I'm shocked Dave thinks it's boring because the original Friday 13th is boring. Yeah, that original movie is boring as fuck. I think there's just a difference in the way people know it it like good directing and and screenwriting is all about pacing and timing. And sometimes people nail it and sometimes people don't. And they didn't in Clayface. Yeah, like if you think about movies, if you think about like The Shining. You could be like, man, this is fucking boring, but it's not because it's the pacing. The pacing is on the money. They know exactly how long you need to get. That sense of dread and to up the ante to when shit happens, you're like, all that was worth the payoff.

8:47 I don't think a lot of filmmakers know how to do that. They're apparently not this guy. Now whoever this was. The one thing I thought was funny, and I didn't think about it until afterwards. Okay. So the beginning of the movie. He gets his nomination for, I'm guessing, an Academy Award. They say they say Academy. And then You know, and then that night he's he's celebrating and then whoop, nip, slip, and then whoop slip the dip. And then he gets his face cut the next morning. Dick slip. So he uh So, and then they cut his face and he goes through the whole process of this, that, whatever, going to court. Losing all of his money. And all of that stuff, and then you see him watch the Academy Awards. He went through like Five years of legal proceedings. And it's only what, like six weeks before the between nominations and when the Academy Awards around there. Yeah, around there. So I'm like, I'm like, wow, that was expedited. You know, he was able to get, he was able to lose his entire life and career and everything in like a six week period, you know, from the day he got nominated to, you know, when he's watching SAD.

10:01 In his flop house in the narrows of Gotham. That's the Gotham legal system. That's why we must re-elect Harvey Dent. Did you like the Gotham feel, Ted? Did you think it had a Gotham feel? I didn't think it had one. Um no, I don't yeah, I agree with Dave. I don't think it had one because What are you guys missing? Well, I'll tell you what I'm missing. I'm missing the Gotham Field. Yeah. Unlike other Batman movies where, like, There are these sweeping shots of the streets and the cityscape and the city itself is a character. In almost all of the Batman movies, it's like that. This one, it was You could tell it was like shot on like a back lot somewhere. It was tightly. brained. You didn't really get to see the scope. You saw like the front of a building, but you didn't see like. No, there was a few skylines of of Gotham. Yeah, New York. Yeah. Like all of all of the other Batman movies you really got a feel for, that's got them. This.

11:06 All looked like it was like, okay, Dick Tracy just rapped. Let's film Clayface. You know, throw Clayface on the same senses as the Warren Beatty's movies. Like, so yeah, no, even that. It it wasn't I know that they d their their budget was likely much lower than Your average. Batman movie. Way, way, way, like, like a, like a percent. So, I get they're working with less. And also, with horror movies in general, you kind of want. You kind of you don't necessarily need this big epic feel. In that respect, you know, I don't fault them. I do fault them for making a shitty. Were you grossed out? Because people are supposed to be leaving. I can't watch. I'm going to throw up. Were you grossed out by anything, Tim? I don't think anybody left because they were grossed out. That's those are those that's the kind of like viral hype. Mm-hmm.

12:07 They say that, oh, people are offended. And then to make people say, oh, I'm going to go see. And they go see what was the big deal. It doesn't matter what the big deal was. They just got your ticket money, dummy. Yeah, that's the kind of stuff that the studio comes up with. Let's say people are leaving. They're so they're they're it's like psycho. Like, you know, like you just you don't even know what you're gonna look at. And people are like, well, now I wanna see it. We guarantee at one point you're going to have to get up to P, P, P. It's like at the exorcist having, you know, putting a gurney with an oxygen tank in the lobby outside the theater, just in case. Yeah. Yeah. Sometimes it works. And this was like the laziest attempt at that. I think the DC this This is more proof that DC has no idea what they're doing. movies. And They figure horror movies always make money. Horror movies have a crowd that is always going to show up. So this was like, let's make a superhero. horror movie will at least make money.

13:08 Which they may. People are not enjoying this. They don't know what they're grasping at straws. I mean, granted, i i it it it is a unique Um it is a unique approach to making Uh comic book. Like a You know, it did a whole I know that there are horror comics and there have been horror comic related movies, but has there been a horror comic? Man or horror superhero themed movie. That we can think of. Yeah, Blade. Yeah, true. Mm. More soplate too. I just think it's funny that. penguin. On HBO. was so good. That that hit every that you like you if you want your Gotham boxes ticked, ticked every single one of them. And you don't even need to mention Batman. I know you wanted them to mention Batman. I don't want to hear the words bat or man.

14:14 Tell me a good story. And they did that in the penguin. The penguin was such a monumental achievement. And then they just Throw this shit at the screen, and it, you know, let's see what happens. I was freaking bored. I started waiting for the guy. Loud eat his food because at least I was like, hmm, what is he having now? That's what interests me when I'm watching. He had a smorgasbord. I don't even know what he had there. Somehow he's making Somehow he's making the gum. He had a bag of something. That he was just, he would lean his head back and he would just dump it into his gaping maw from the bag. And you could hear it like a conveyor belt. Well there's there's a s there's a scene in this movie which I thought looked kind of very Sexual. was when he suffocated his buddy in his belly. But sometimes, oh, yeah, sometimes it looked like he was at belly height, looked like he was right in the groins. Yeah, when he when he when he was dead, he just sort of slopped down, yeah. When he died, his hands was like kind of like on his ass, and then he slid down. I was like, That doesn't look like that's when that's when the guy with no shoes started rubbing my foot.

15:31 It was like being in a men's room when somebody taps you underneath. You know what that means. Tappy Tappy. Tappy, tappy, sucky, sucky. Well, well, this is a will be a little miniature pit spockhorn in the beginning, Tim. I'm curious on how many. At a five and then Dave will get his ten popcorns for Are you going to do your reviews? Like your popcorns or are you gonna save it for your show? No, we we can do it now and then We can we can plug this show on that show with her Clayface. So the same two people that listen to both will say like, Yeah, I already heard that shit exactly. I made 10, do you think? Out of 5, I'm afraid. 1.6. Dave, I think I already know yours, I think. Yeah, because I do. I gave this a five, which is pretty. Steady rating because it was watchable. I've seen far worse things, but I gave it a 5 out of 10, which would be a 2.5 for me. And that's pretty generous, I think.

16:35 I think so. I think we gave it, what, 3.75? I liked it. I think it's weird for me. I think sometimes, and I hate to admit this, I have blinders on. I like what I like, and I don't care if it's, I don't know, boring or slow, or there's no story. Like, like the ending for me when he turned into the animated. Clayface was Maybe gave it a whole popcorn by itself just for that one moment, even if it was like seconds. That's done. I didn't even care about that. Not at all. I wanted that. I wanted to see. The other thing that I thought was kind of dumb about this movie, I think some of the clay. Special effects were good. That's probably why I gave it some credit, especially when it was like him smearing his face. It's stuff that was in the trailer. Yeah. The second half of this movie, that nightclub scene you're talking about? He didn't do that. He just, he was just Mr. Presto Changeo face change guy. And I was like, and at first I was like, well, what about the fucking clothes?

17:36 I think your wife was like, the clothes were part of his skin. He can make the skin look like the clothes. That's what I thought. Like, if he if he sees a person, if he sees Mr. Bean walking down the road, he sees what he's wearing. He can change into what he sees that guy wearing. Right. That's what I think. At that point, it stopped being. clay effect. Clay fit. It would have been neat if he went like and like morphed from one person to the other. That is true. But in the snap of a finger, he went from. You know, the guy in the white suit, who, and who knows who any of these idiots are? There was a tall thug, there was a guy in a white suit thug, there was a guy that had like the flat top haircut from Dick Tracy. See, there it is. Yeah. And in a snap of a finger, he was that person. I'm like, I'm missing the Clayface part of Clayface. I can't argue that. I wanted to see more morphing. Like, what is that stupid child book on the cover? There's a kid and then and then there's like eight faces and they change into an animal.

18:38 Animorphs. Yeah, yeah. It's like a pop. Yeah. Like, I wanted to see them change from something into something else. David's right. I think that would have hated that. Yeah. That is true. It seems right like we're turning about him being boring. All that stuff that Tim has made a good point at the time. Was off with the with the with the lawsuit and all that things. All you needed to know that he was upset was that he was a really famous actor and his face was his money maker. And it got disfigured and his agent dropped him in Hollywood, dumped him because He was now a disfigured you know. It has been. Yeah. I don't care about the lawsuit. They wasted a lot of time in this movie when it could have been like. Man gets man is famous. Man gets his face cut. Man is not famous. Man is pissed off. Loses everything. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that's all. Everything you guys are saying. Makes sense. They were, they were basically, they were trying.

19:43 Even though he turns into a monster, they were trying to say he's not really a monster. He was pushed over the edge. And I'm like, okay, I push him over this, but he can still be a fucking monster. You know. Fucking mouthful ship. That Speaking about Batman villains, back to best of fives. Um, we're doing, you know, Tim's going to sit in there and comment on if we're if we're right or wrong. of who we picked as people portraying Batman villains from anything out there. He can critique us. Yes, Tim. You the stupid. The stupid. The stupid. If you have any, yeah. And if we bring any up, you know, if you, you know, if you want to do, if you have like your top one. You can talk whenever you like, even if it's bad. The clock king, whoever that guy was. But do you know what's weird? Is they I'm looking at what I did, you know, I'm like, do you know how many this do you know how many? Villains the Batman Adam West show had. A lot. 37. I saw. Was it really? Everyone I saw is like from the old show. Oh, show. Oh, I found the full list and it was like, here's a deep dive on 37.

20:53 Yeah. Batman villains. I was amazed. Kinkeda. Alright Luke, who's going first, second, third? Is it is it the nameless? You and then me and then Date. you no i'm first then they and then you and then dave all right Say it. All right, Tim. Get ready to make fun of everything. My number one's the guy who played Clayfleets. No, I'm kidding. That actor. I told Chris as soon as it was over, if it ever happens and it will never happen, some biopic of the police or sting. This guy plays Sting. He looks exactly like him at times. Oh, yeah, yeah. I do that. My number five. was mentioned just earlier in this whole conversation. Dick Tracy. Um As Dave is Dave is totally right. Colin Farrell as the penguin. Fucking rock. Tim, did you see the show or no? I forget. I've gotten a few episodes in.

21:56 I'm like Halfway through like the fourth episode. There's something about, I love Colin Farrell. He's great. And anything this man does. And him, unrecognizable sometimes as the penguin is just fucking fantastic. And I a huge reason why I liked the Batman films is because I He was a great horror of the Batman. Yes. Yeah. I recently watched The Matt Reeves Batman. Um, and I, and he's the best part. And I remember even in the trailer for that, even though I don't necessarily like that movie. Meaning that scene where He's where they're they're driving their cars around, speeding around. And he's like, I got you. I love that. I think that is one of the greatest. Yeah. scenes in any of the Batman movies. I got you. I love that.

22:57 Was that T V show the after the movie? Yeah. And Boiler, he's he's still alive, right? penguin in the on the show? I forget. Yeah, I heard they're making a season two, so it would be not a whole lot happening. I was going to say, I mean, he's a big, a big draw. So he's, he's this, this movie, this. His portrayal of the penguin is fantastic. He is. Joe! And then there's then a look on his face. Oh fuck. He sounds like he's coming in his best. Yeah. Great scene. Great scene. Great scene. Bracing. That's for number five. Colin Farrell as the Penguin. Me? Luke?

24:00 Your ta Dave always says, And looks number five, it's the same. Is it? No, is it no since okay, sure, okay. Modern 5, yes. You don't like this actor. I know exactly. So you just said that. Tim, can you guess it? As you just said, I like this actor. I know exactly who it is. And let's see. Batman, you don't like this actor. Batman villain. Uh Dave likes him. You like him. I get proud with them. Corey Feldman. Good buddy. Tom Hardy. Tom Hardy. Oh, I hate Tom Hardy. Oh you do? Yeah, I don't like him. Okay. Him is the one who likes Time Hardy, huh? I don't mind Tom Hardy. He's he's, I don't, I don't like wake up in the morning saying, I'm going to see that Tom Hardy movie. And it seems like I'm hard for Tom Hardy. Yeah. So I don't care. Yeah, I mean

25:00 Oh, that that but that opening scene from From Dark Knight. Rises is great. Like, oh, oh, what a lovely, lovely. And that scene where he's like, oh, what a lovely, lovely singing voice. What a beautiful singing voice. Tim should have been Bane. Yeah. I mean, I like him as Bane. But yeah, when it comes to him in general, he's 50-50. He's not he's not like the actor that I that I like seek out to go see all those movies. But Yeah, he I thought I thought he I thought he did a good bane. think darkness is your ally. You merely adopted the dark. I was born in it. Molded by it. I didn't see the light until I was already a man. By then it was nothing to me but brighten. The shadows betray you because they belong to me.

26:13 Sounds a little like foghorn leghorn. Say, son. Yeah. He was okay. He was he was okay. That yeah, I mean in that in that movie. I don't know. It's hard to talk about the Dark Knight Rises and like, because there are parts of it that are like, that's awesome. And there's parts of it like, eh, is Clayface showing again? Um So That yeah, that's a movie that I over when when it's over and done with, it's a satisfying Yeah. Uh it's you know, it it's it wraps up the trilogy nicely, but Yeah, you kinda wanted a little more, I guess, which is which is hard to hard really hard to ask. What? What's that? One year for Halloween, I dressed up as Ben. Oh, Christ. You were. You and Jack went out, and you were, yeah, it was young as shit. Yeah, I think I have a picture of that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You were so cute then. You were, you were, you were an adorable villain. Now we accepted.

27:20 If you dress like Bay now, people would be scared shitless. Yeah, that is true. He walked up to Dave. He goes, I will break you. I say I say I say darkness. Dave, what's your five? What's your problem with Tom Hardy? I just, I don't know. I don't, it's, it's, I don't know. I just, he's okay. He's great sometimes. I just didn't like him as Bane. I didn't fucking like him as I wanted Mad Max. So that's another podcast. Oh, that's what it is. It's the Mad Max thing. Yet you wear that hat. You wear that Mad Max hat. I will say this, Tim. I wear that hat a lot. I love that. Isn't that a great hat? It's a fantastic hat. I have my Mad Max backpack. I keep. close by in it. Yeah, keep a little gas leaf. You never know. Days number five. Hey, I completely and 100% misunderstood. the assignment here. So I can do what you're doing or I can just do what I did. Well, coming from you, you probably just do what you did. Well, this is what I did. This is what I thought you said that we were doing. This is why it was so hard.

28:27 In fact Yeah. I will say this. The way I did it anyway. This is the hardest list I've ever had to make for one of these shows. You asked me before we started recording. Can we do 10? I'm like, no. Five only. Gotta be five. ones that you gotta pick. Yeah. And I'll abide to that. But I That's what, I mean, I have a list. You should see how long my list is because I thought what you said we were doing was we were taking an actor who played a Batman villain and then picking their best movie. Ooh. Oh, wow. You know what I'm saying? This is my dave smart. I'm not. I'm stupid. Well, no, I got it wrong. That's the opposite of smart. Damn, yeah. I guess I'll just do what I did. I mean, my list is insane. It's the greatest movies of all time. So, like, I can't. You know what I mean? I can't like I had such a hard time. coming up with stuff. So I guess I'll just do my own list. If that's okay with you, that is perfectly. He's going to list his top top 10 Avengers because what I did, I did it based on their.

29:37 Performance as the villain. As the villain. That's when I say actors you played villains in Venom roles. I meant people who were in a bad movie as the villains. And we were picking. Batman movie. That's what you're doing, right? Like, yeah, like, or Batman, whatever. Like, they had to play a villain in anything Batman. Yeah, I picked other things. That's okay. Did you pick the whole movie? Yeah. Yeah. All right, well, I'll tell you what my number five is. My number five. Because Mark Hamill is the voice of the Joker. My number five is the Empire Strikes Back. I'm not saying it's a bad choice. I mean, Jesus Christ. The, the, the, really, like my second favorite all-time movie is number five on this list how bad I got this wrong. Yeah. Wow, what an ending. Who'da thought Darth Vader was Luke Skywalker's father? Thank you, Mr. Pull the Picture for me.

30:40 Yeah, I I really got this wrong, so. say I'm smart. I'm I'm uh so in a way there's two Podcast episodes on the same episode. Three: Hiss of Popcorn, our Batman Villain. And Dave's best agonist. Yeah, whatever the hell Dave's doing. I thought that's why I was like, can we do 10? Because I can't pick between these movies. I think you understand that. Like, you, yeah. I was like, no, just pick five. Villains. And I will do Philly's final count. Steve Carlton. Number 32. All right, I uh I mean I missed I messed this up big time, but I'm just gonna stick with I mean I hate Mark Hamill in anything but Star Wars. But It is, you know, the second greatest movie of all time. So I don't know. I put it at five just because I don't like Mark Hamill. Do you dislike Mark Hamill? Just kind of like being as a person you you were there do a like personal interaction is that like like or is he just like

31:47 Is it just one of those guys where when he was on screen, you're just like, fuck that guy? Yeah, I just say, I mean, he's good, he's good in Star Wars doing what he's doing. I don't ever want to see him do anything else. You know, people get type cast. I think sometimes it's for a reason. He's in every Mike Flanagan thing, and I watch everyone, and I'm like, when's Mark? Fucking Hamill going to pop up. Oh, shit, here he comes. And, you know, the dumb voice. And everybody's like, oh, he's such a great voice actor. It's the same voice for everything. Every voice he does is the Joker. You know, like, shut the fuck up. I am so tired of Mark Hamill. But that the Clayface was a Mike Flanagan. something or other. Oh, yeah. And I was glad. You're like, finally, the chain is broken. Yeah. So, my number five on my alternate list is Mark Hamill, the Joker appearing in. the Empire Strikes Back. And I'm Seinfeld in character, but a close talker. Alright, who's is it me now?

32:49 Yeah. Yeah, my number four. is I guarantee you higher up on a lot of people's lists. But his performance. was fantastic. It was Heath Ledger as the Joker. I know people love him higher up on their list. He was Like a different jugger than I was used to, I guess. But goddamn, he fucking he knocked it. And I know, Tim, you're a huge Heath fan, right? I, yeah, I mean, the dark knight. is The gold standard for serious comic book movies. Um, yeah, he is he's unbelievable in that it, it, it's It is tragic that that was like his. It wasn't really his final performance, but it was his. Almost a survival performance. And for it to be is so good and

33:51 I know even even before he died. There are I I know He, you know, you talk about how great that guy was in in the movies that he the few serious, serious roles he did. Before he died, you saw like what was coming and then. We never got that. So it's hard to, over the last 20 or so years now. How many Heath Ledger? Movies we've been kind of robbed. That's seeing. And also. In seeing him, he was supposed to show up again in Dark Knight Rises. Yeah. I from what I understand in that scene with the scarecrow, the, the, the, the, Tribunal, I guess. He didn't die during this. He died when it was done being filmed. Yeah, he was. But he died before it was released. He died a few weeks before it came out. I thought there were things that. There were times in the Dark Knight where there was a body double, though. It might have been from reshoots. They they I mean they're It's it's possible. Uh

34:54 There's so much, there's so much stuff, legend stuff. That's come out. After the fact of the Dark Knight, where they sort of builds up his legend. I don't know how much of it's true. Like there's different things like like when he What is As the nurse, and he's hitting the button and it doesn't go off. And it was like, well, that wasn't supposed to do that. I'm like, ah, I mean, that's a big explosion, I'm sure. I'm sure they that That was all planned. I'm sure that that was shot to to how it was supposed to be. That's that's point number four. Well, you can't argue with that. I mean, it's Legendary. I'm curious if that's your number four. What could your number three possibly be? One. I want my phone call. How many of your friends? You would just enjoy it.

36:05 You killed six of my friends. Yeah. He's like, wow. He's fantastic. He's fantastic. Oscar too. Yes, he's yeah, yeah. There's that scene. There's the scene where he sits down next to Harvey Denn at the hospital. He's like, hi. Yeah, there's so he has so many great moments. Like that, that movie. I mean, if you were to just take his scenes and just like the genius moments, you can put a reel together of like 30 minutes. Like, one of my favorite scenes is the is that whole pencil scene. That fucking pencil scene. The first time you see that. It may depend on disappear. It's like, holy shit, that was fucking fantastic, you know? That's a good one. What you're for. But you don't like the Batman in this. I don't like Christian Bale. I don't like Tom Hardy. Don't judge me for what I don't like. I like Clayface a little bit. Clayface. Exactly. What's your number four?

37:07 Modern before, this might be on your list. Okay. I'm listening. Michelle Pfeiffer. Michelle Pfeiffer as Catwoman. Yeah, yeah. Tim, calm down, Tim. Tim, keep it in your pants. Why? Having a habit of having it, having a. She was great at at at Catwomans. She was. There's been Maybe like four or five Catwomans, I think. She is one of the best ones out there, yes. I'm not arguing. She is fan. And it's Michelle Pfeiffer for print out loud. And like Tim said, oh yeah, oh yeah. Oh yeah Okay. Pretty little like. Yeah. I just love a big strong man who's not afraid to show it with someone half his size. Be gentle, it's my first time. You make it so easy, don't you? Always waiting for some bad man to save you.

38:39 That's how I leave a room. Backflips all the way out. All those backflips all the way out. Excellent toys, buddy. Do you feel I've heard doing the backflips? No. No, that was that was Jaggie Chan wearing that outfit. All right. Mm-hmm. Number four on his own list. On my own list, yeah. Um well I went with the Jared Leto As the Joker, but no one would pick that Joker as like the best performance. But because I misunderstood the assignment. My number four is Jared Leto in Fight Club. This is why I couldn't do this. It's like the it's like all my favorite movies. It's like the greatest movies of all time. So yeah, I mean, he's he's in he's in a mud. He barely has any lines. The most famous scene is when Ed Norton beats the shit out of him. Like, that's that's like the thing that people remember him for.

39:45 Where'd you go, cycle boy? I like destroying something beautiful. him to a fucking hospital. That's my number four: Fight Club. This is my list is great, and it's also the worst one. No, we knew. This tells you what Dave loves, like movies that he did. You explain it? I thought I did. I thought I did. The Batman villains means you picked the actor actress who played a villain in the Batman film. That's it. That's what I say. I didn't say, hey, pick something else that they were in. Well, I texted it's it's however it was worded. I took it. The wrong way. Cause I texted you again yesterday. I made the list yesterday and I was like, uh, So we're doing Movies that Batman villains are in. And you went, Yup. So that can be. I can see why that means what they think. That can mean what you mean. Sam, am I right? It can mean both things, right?

40:47 They can well it's like the highlighter, it can mean only one, but Yeah, I didn't really, yeah. Bet movies are matter. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. Is it me again? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. All right. All right. My number is three. On the list, that was done the correct way. My number three, and I I this has to be on someone's list. I think Jim Carrey's Riddler is fantastic. Cause it's exactly what I wanted. It's exactly. Maybe he would have been a great joker. I don't know. But I think Tommy Lee Jones as Two-Face, which might be on a list for anybody else. I don't know. Did they really seem too facey? He's seen more Comical and jokery, and and I think Jim Carrey is Riddler, when he's doing his shit, it's Jim Carrey doing his shit. He's the riddler in every fucking thing he's in. Yeah, really. Yeah, he's Jim Carrey. That's who he always is.

42:12 Looking at night. It was such an ace ventura thing. Yes, it was. It definitely was. And then he was shocking at night. Yeah, his voice kind of like, what Batman coming for you? It sounded like the narrator for the Adam West series. You know what I mean? Hello, Nicole Kidman. May I ask you a question? People don't like th this movie. No, they don't. I love that. So, I mean, you have to go into it with a certain mindset. My big issue with this is. Schumacher apparently. decided that Uh the Batman Sixty series. Was the be-all, end-all, the definitive Batman.

43:16 And so both of his movies are so. And every and every villain is the fucking Joker. They're all these like crazy blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah guys. And I'm like, All right, the you know, the Riddler is not the joker. Two-Face is not the joker. Yeah. Fucking Mr. Freeze is not the joker. Uh, you know, Drew Barrymore and the other girl, or not the Jokers, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I I I well I remember back back when this came out in in seeing Drew Barrymore back, I'm like, wow. For sexual arousal. Yeah, whenever I plop down my, for my hookers, I'm like, all right, here you go. All right, get ready. Yeah, but Jim did he just doing Jim Carrey. He just he's just being himself wearing the the the question mark outfit. He's just Jim Carrey. Ev every villain in those they they're

44:20 Every ounce of dialogue they deliver is never under a scream. They're all loud and full of energy and obnoxious. Nobody ever has like a subtle moment in any of these movies. I will say I will take a page out of Tommy Lee Jones's notebook. when it comes to me just describing The villains in all of these movies is I cannot abide by their buffoonery. I love that story. I cannot abide by your buffoonery. Put that gun down. I don't care. I don't care. We he's actually I don't know, there's a new show on called the Lowdown With Ethan Hawk, which is it's on FX. It's a cool show. But the second season, Tommy Lee Jones is on as his dad. I thought he was old back then. He's old man. He is old. Yeah, he was 27 years old when he made Batman Forever. I was like, he's old, but he's still great. He's a fantastic actor.

45:24 He is one person I would never want to Meet. Yeah. I would never want to meet him. I would never want to sit at a table with him for dinner. I don't want to sit next to him on a train. I don't want to do it, I don't want to be around that guy. He'd be he would be no fun whatsoever. Yeah, yeah. Is it you? It's me. You're number three. Man number three. Jack Nicholson. Jack Nicholson. From what? What is this movie? From The Shining? From Batman. Oh. From Cuckoo's Nest? You did it wrong. It's The Shining. Yeah. Yeah, you did the list wrong. If you had to pick Jack's best film, The Shiny. But since we did it the way that I want it to be done, I'm really sorry. both accounts. So yeah, I can't argue that. Um Jack Nicholson is a fantastic choice, buddy, as as the the

46:30 I'm not going to. And Tim's right. Everybody else afterwards was like, shit, we have to do this. Like this takes a lot of energy. And he was kinda old then. You know, he was uh he's probably what fifty when he made that? Was he? Okay, he wasn't that old. Cause I'm older than that now and I don't want to think of myself as being really old. Yeah, the the the the jo the Batman's Joker is like a young man. What are you laughing at? I like them already. Never rub enough. This is a compilation of all his laughing. You want to get nuts? Let's get nuts. I'm shocked, like, Jack Nicholson back then was it was like considered like a I don't know, like a serious, like fantastic actor that took this role. Like Yeah, it's so cool then. Like Tommy Lee Jones and and Jack Tim like are maybe like the same kinda like

47:33 personalities, but Jack I think looked like he had fun. Yeah. You know, he was when they made that movie, he was 51 years old when they filmed. That man. Wow. Well, from all the stories that we were always told, whether they're true or not, he was shrewd in that. Not only did he take the money for the, um Much of a call to play the role, but he either got part of the profits or part of the toy. Profits because he was like, like he made some kind of shrewd deal that made him a much richer man. So he got. He was top billing. Yeah, he probably had likeness rights. Yeah. It's kind of like what's it? Christopher Lee. had likeness rights for His for current Count Dooku. For Star Wars. So anytime anything is made with Count Dooku. with his face on it, his estate gets like, you know. And so Nicholson is probably still raking in because every time that there's a hot toys figure or

48:37 This that or whatever. It's the way to do it. He was smart like before people were kind of doing that kind of stuff. You imagine if like Harrison Ford had done that when he was in Star Wars, like anything that's ever made from this or an Indiana Jones, if of my face, I want a cut of it. He'd be richer than than David Crockett. Yeah. Hell yeah. But so he he didn't get any money from his Best been The Harris Aford face. on that figure is always like it's like a fat Hansolo with that with that giant head yeah that was that was the that was the loophole he I have liked this right like does that look like you no all right no You were getting that money, Harry. I like that. What would you have him sign? To Jack? Yeah. Either shining or Batman and Batman. Yeah. If I had if I had the opportunity to meet him, we have the Batman poster. I do. I would have him go just sign as big as you fucking want on that day. My bucket list action figures.

49:40 Well I don't think that's going to happen. So you don't worry about it. He's not going to be any convention soon. I mean, he's been retired for a long time and every once in a while you see pictures of him. Shirtless. He is swimming off of some boat in the You know, some Polynesian island or something. And it's like, look at this guy. He gives zero fucks. Yep. Zero zero facts. All right, Dave's were three. Days three lists that he said that he made. I might do this from now on. If you come up with a list and you're like, I don't really want to do it, I'm just going to make my own list. Start striking. Steve, we're going to do the top five, you know, Superman something or other, some shit you care about. And I'll be like, okay. And then when I come, it's like, I have my top five peanut butters. Yes. Number five, strawberry pop-tart. Number one, Jiff. Always Jiff. Always Jiff. Alright, well my number three on my adulterated list He voiced

50:42 penguin In some shit somewhere, some cartoon. Like, that's the thing. I have a full list. I'll show you my list then. My list is. is vast. But at some point, Wayne Knight. Voiced the penguin in something. So, mind number three. Is the TV series Seinfeld? Let me ask you something. What do you do for a living, Newman? I'm a United States postal worker. Aren't those the guys that always go crazy and come back with a gun and shoot everybody? Sometimes. Why is that? Because the mail never stops. It just keeps coming and coming and coming. There's never a let up. It's relentless. Every day it piles up more and more and more. And you've got to get it out. And the more you get out, the more it keeps coming in. And then the more. I can't read a breaks and publish his clearing house now. All right, all right, all right. Just take the records, they're in the bedroom. Take them, take anything you want. Fucking great. Yeah, I don't know. He even wants to put Seinfeld on his list. He loves this show so much. He puts everything that he wants to put Seinfeld on, he's going to do it. This list was too hard to make. I already, like, I have for Nicholson, I have The Shining. The Shining is an honorable mention on my list. That shouldn't exist. That is right. That is how hard this list was to make. So this is why I was texting you: like, can I do 10?

52:08 I could do fucking 25. You know. I I fucked up. I'm sorry. Next. What was I'm curious? What was was it the Brave and the Bold? Like, what did Wayne Knight, which cartoon did he voice? Cause I'm curious now. I can't remember. I had, I, I did a lot of research yesterday because it was fun. It was fun to do, honestly. There were people on my list that I had no idea had any connection with Batman whatsoever. You know, they're on there. It was some. incantation of that Batman animated series that Ran, you know, for quite a long time, and then they brought it back. And I, I, I, I mean, Lucas, the best googler I know, he could find a few. Where's Terry Lugan? Who is it? He played the hard. The the penguin and the Harley Quinn show. The one with Kaley Cuoco? Oh, it wasn't even a voice. It was him. No, he voiced it. Because it's animated cartoon show. And it's rated R, too, which is fantastic. So Penny from Big Bang was Harley Quinn or Harley Quinn. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I didn't even know that was a thing. I just saw that he voiced it and I was like, well, that's fucking up my list. Yeah, they put Seinfeld on my list. Wait, I make a list and I put Seinfeld on it. The shining is out.

53:29 New rule. Every list that we make from now on, Dave has to put in the sign field somewhere on the top five lists. The best top Supermans, whenever that happens, they'll have sci-fi on because there's a statue of Superman. Right. In the background. So that's right. All right. Is your two? Mine number two. Has already been been said. Michelle Pfeiffer. And no, there's no way. Um Is I think I just love her so much. And Michelle Pfeiffer is Catwoman. I loved. Her performance as Catwoman. And I just love her. And she was great. If I had a choice between Halle they're they're both hot, Halle Berry and and uh I'm sure but pick a catwoman, it's her or the way. So you pick her performance as Catwoman, but that's really Yeah. Batman Robin is Batman Robin. I think that's the worst Batman movie, right? Do you like that movie? I hate Batman Returns. Batman Returns? Batman Returns.

54:33 I enjoy it, I think, because it has Keaton in it. I am a Keaton Batman fan, and it's not the best. It's not as good as the first one. Yeah, out of the two, no, it's not the best one. But her addition is. Catwoman Who I only knew probably from the Adam West. shit and the animated stuff. Like I loved her family returns is a Christmas movie. Yes, it is. I really liked her performance, yeah. I I really liked okay, I was just curious because I like most people, if I was gonna watch those, Batman Returns is a skipper for me, but maybe I'm in the minor minority. It's not the best. All those all those movies are problematic. There's there's there's there's you there's an issue. A glaring issue with all of them. You know, and that one, I remember going to see that as a kid in the theater opening weekend. And coming out thinking, what the hell was that? It's a movie that I've reassessed over the years because it is Tim Burton and it does have his unique stamp on it.

55:38 When you're I guess I was 14 when that came out. And I just, I just didn't, I really didn't get it. Yeah. But I've I'm a little I'm a little more accepting of it today than I was, you know. All those many years ago. Yeah. Yeah, I haven't seen it in while maybe I'll give it another shot. Maybe I would like it more now as a die oh guy you know they showed that i saw that in the theater They showed it in the theater about a year ago. I remember going and sitting. watching it in the on the big screen. I was the only one in the damn theater. No one else came to see it. Was just me. Well, that's the thing is that whenever they release the old movies, it's always Batman, which is great. I'll see that at any time. But yeah, I wish sometimes I could catch the sequels, you know, rather than the original one. Yeah, that's that's when it comes to those repertoire films. That's kind of what both, I mean, I get it. They want people to come to the thing. And you know, yeah, so they're not gonna they're not gonna

56:40 People aren't going to rush out to see Ghostbusters 2 on the big screen. So they would show Ghostbusters every. Every six months, Ghostbusters, but it's back on the big screen for the first time in three weeks. Ghostbusters. In three weeks. Come and see Raiders of the Lost Ark again. No, we're not going to show the. The third one. No, we're going to show the first one. Yeah, I feel the same way. If they, like, Raiders always go see it, but if it was like, if they showed Last Crusade, I'd be like, holy shit. Yeah. Yeah. Now we're talking. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Regal, Regal does do a better job of that. I mean, they do still have the standards, but You know, but they will. Throw in a curveball every once in a while. Like, ah, what is this? Zambia too? Well, that's the thing that's the thing is that just last Sunday, Luke and I went to a regal. drove like 40 minutes away for one because they had the first Elm Street. Like shit is and then after that it was part three, Dream Warriors. And I was like, oh, I wish it wasn't a workout. You know, between the two, I would have gone to see Dream Warriors. Three is my besides the original, it's this when you see Freddy for the first time, three is my favorite Elm Street.

57:56 Dawkins' favorite elsewhere, too. Tim's just sitting there with his Dawkin t-shirt with his pants down. But yeah, I do like there's the show on Halloween at the Regal, Halloween 3. No one shows Halloween 3. Yeah, are you going to go? You should go. Halloween 3 is so good. Maybe. I don't know. It's someone Halloween. That's Season of the Witch, right? Yeah, yeah. Yeah. The standalone. anthology that they wanted to do, but never did. They did one. That's not an anthology. It's just a movie. Yeah. So my number two is is so favorite as Catwoman. You told me one time that James Gunn said Tim Burns Batman is boring. He just. James fucking Gunn. Don't get Dave sorry. He just announced like a month ago or so that he thinks Tim Burton's Batman is boring. And he said that the score is horrible. It's horrible. Yeah, are you serious? I swear to God, David. Oh my God, I hate Clayface even more now. Fuck this guy.

59:00 Yeah. Oh my god. Why would even if you thought that, why would you say that in an of all like that means a lot to people? The version of that means still people. But why would you why would you trash any fellow directors? Movie or Danny Elfman's score. It's like, why would what's the point of you doing that? Other than to make Headlines that people go, Whoa, we better go see Clayface because if he thinks that's boring, this must be something else. Fuck that guy. Top five reasons why we hate James Gunn Gal. I mean, what a shitty thing to do. Oh yeah. I was I was pissed. I was like, I was pissed.'Cause you like James Gunn. I I enjoy some of his stuff, but when I saw that, I was like, oh, he just went down a criticize Danny Elfman. Yeah. You're a genius. What delicate genius did the score for Clayface? Because I don't know. It's awesome. It's it's it's memorable. It's so good. It's so fucking good. It's one of the greatest pieces of. Of film music ever written. But, you know, let's trash it. So, you know, that score is better than the Superman score? No, John Williams' Superman is so great. But then Danny Elfman's Batman.

1:00:10 So great for being Batman. Like, I don't want John Williams to do Batman. Danny Elfman should do. It's gotta be edg it's gotta be edgier. It's gotta have some feel. That Superman's a Boy Scout and he's fucking boring. Batman has the edge. So I like he's called boring. I'm so upset. Well, you know what? I'm not. I like you, Batman. I'm not saying that, but it's like the weapon boring. We're in the boring. I wish Riggs would do something in one of these movies. All he does is sit around and comb his hair and smoke. Do you know what I've been seeing? Do you know what I've been seeing? You guys see this. Do you know the AI shit? Do you know how they'd have that famous stepbrothers scene? Yeah. I saw what Riggs and Murtaugh won, and I was fucking dying. I saw it too. It was. It's Jesus Christ. And was there a Batman She made one? Yeah, and they sound. Kills me. It sounds like fucking Mel Gibson doing Martin Riggs. It's insane. Velociraptors. We're to come best friends. And it's in his. Riggs Australian ish accent. I'm like, holy shit.

1:01:12 Anyway, okay, I'm sorry. You went on a little trip to Lethal Weapon Island there, didn't you? Would you like to spend Christmas a lethal weapon island? Where are we at? Who's Dave? Are you next now? Mike. Luke 2. Yeah. My most favorite. All right. Year 2 Batman villain played by an actor who's in another movie that Dave likes a lot. Go. Mine number two. is another joker. Go ahead. Heath Ledger. Okay. Well they said he ledger rather than Jared Leto. At all. This is the only time I'll defend. Barry Keegan's my favorite. Yeah, Barry Keegan for that scene. No one should be defending Jared Leto because he's a piece of shit scumbag. Bye. didn't mind his Joker as much as everybody else did. It was there like it was I I there people were burying him for that. I mean, hopefully they bury him now. Yeah, I I d I didn't think it was that bad.

1:02:19 My issue with the with his Joker isn't necessarily with him. It's they they they filmed all these scenes with the Joker for Suicide Squad and then didn't use them. And it would have made the character a little more interesting. I don't know. I mean, some people would have like. Really, because I know one of the scenes was him like. Backs back slapping. Margot Robbie and stuff. So, like things like that might have. be viewed a little more partially. There were so many scenes that they shot that they didn't use for that movie. And I didn't even like the Suicide Squad movie. I thought that movie was kind of. Was that the movie that kind of started Jared Leto like? Every movie he's end bombing, like whatever, Tron, like. Suicide Swire. He's in something else that was a huge franchise that bought Blade Runner. Tron? Blade Runner. Was he in Tron? And was he in Venom? He's in Tron and Blade Runner. And uh he sees uh the fucking

1:03:22 Um, Vampire from Spider-Man. What's his name? Uh, Morbius. Oh, Morbius, yeah. Yeah, that's the one. Yeah, yeah. He just had these these big franchises like bombing, bombing, bombing, bombing. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. I liked I actually I did like that a lot, so Who's your favorite joker? I don't know. We're doing best of five now. See, he's doing his own list. I'm doing my own list. Tim doesn't even have a list. Uh days number two. This show is a fucking it's all over it's all over the place. Alright, my number two. And now this one at least I I have a real reason for this. So doing the research, you know, digging deep. And we all know. Head nights. Involvement with the super friends cartoon, yes, meanwhile, meanwhile, you know, like all that shit. So there's all that, but I did not know. In doing this research, that at times during the run of that, he voiced.

1:04:25 The penguin. The Riddler and Mr. Freeze. Riddle me this. I had no idea either. I didn't either. But That makes uh uh my number Two tattered shack. I knew that was going to be your number two because. You were waiting. Because uh I misunderstood the assignment, but fuck it, I don't care. What are we waiting for these guys? Hey Whitey, where's your hat? Let's go while we're young. You might, sir. Try to tee off. I bet you slice into the woods a hundred bucks. Gambling is illegal at Bushwood, sir, and I never slice.

1:05:30 Damn it! Yeah. So, yeah. I didn't know he I know he did the voiceover stuff, but I didn't know he did those characters. I didn't know he voiced a lot of villains on that old cartoon. He was busy before Cosmic Cow. That's fantastic. That's fantastic. So, Caddy said, I mean, it was really like. Everything is fantastic. So I just did Caddyshack especially because he had more involvement. Than some of these other people on my list. Like, he did three different characters. I couldn't find anybody else that did something like that. So my number two is Caddyshack. Excellent choice for a wrong list. Okay, who's next? Here is Ezamina. Is it back to me? You keep making Dave feel bad. No, I'm not. I am kidding. He is not making me feel bad. I don't think I'm bad. What do you think they feel about Dave you smell? Oh, now I feel terrible. I feel terrible. Alright, my number one villain.

1:06:34 Portrayed by a certain actor was already said, and it's the original Jack Nicholson. And the Joker. That's my Batman. I know people like Heath Ledger. I just I liked He had the Cesar Romero and the Comigo and his Jack Jack Nicholson. He just had I don't know, I guess eighty nine. Was it 16, I guess, around there? It is Batman, seeing Batman in a theater where you couldn't buy tickets on online. You couldn't pick your seat. You had to wait in a fucking line. It was sold out. Fuck, you had to wait. Two and a half, three hours later to get in line again, or whatever. And it was just. Batman was a huge deal being released back in that time. Hunt. Time. It was, it was like it was. Was it huge back in then? Gigantic. It was like the biggest movie or whatever. It was like 89 was the best year, kind of, for like. movies back in the day. I remember riding my bike. Over to uh If I recall, I rode my bike over to the movie theater.

1:07:35 I didn't even lock my bike up. I parked it right on the bucket. No, I'd like, like, literally, it was like I leaned it up against the pole outside the box office, went in, bought my ticket for May Cody. Went in. watched the movie came out asked may cody how do you how you know By name, or how does one get a poster? And she's like, she basically was like, get out of here, kid. You bother me. And if I, if I recall, this may have been the same day. My mom worked at Planned Parenthood across the way, that brick building over on the other side of the street. And so I rode my bike over there just to say hi to my mom. And I think that was the day. I think she told me. That the Guitar player for Def Leppard died. I'll have to double check the dates on that. But I seem to remember going over there and her saying, How'd you hear about, you know? Steve Clark from Def Leppard. I go, no, mom, what? And uh,

1:08:38 Let me let me but only a story from Tim could involve yeah, no, no, that that was not the same time because he died in 91, so yeah, that was that was Def Leppard and Planned Parenthood, yeah. In the same sentence, son, are you here to find out where you can abort your baby? No, no, would you like a condom for what I'll tell you later. Just take it away. She gives me one of those little fun condoms. Those little pinky condoms. This is a great jack panel, it's right there, right? And then Bob just goes over the cliff and uh. Um Sinnis stickers, doesn't he? He's the he's the um the cook. The cook, yeah. It's sea slickers, yeah.

1:09:41 This thing I need. I didn't start working in the theater till maybe like early 90s and whatever. I didn't work during Batman time, I don't think. So I never got a poster, but then The old boss. years later Gave me, she had the original bass symbol says Nicholson Keaton poster, and I have that. And that means a lot because it's one of my favorite films. I wish Mo Canza cons. He does. He did a few. Areas here and there. Oh, hell yeah. And you could not escape. That no, that maniac it was called, yeah, yeah, in 1989. Because if it wasn't on a cereal box, a commercial for McDonald's, or the Bat Dance Prince video being on every hour on the hour, you could not escape. I had t-shirts of Keaton on it back in the day. I had the Keaton Stanley. Did you have it? No, I wish I did, man. Closest that comes to Batman. Be Phantom Menace, I think, in terms of just like Just a literal canvas.

1:10:45 Everywhere you went. Yeah, billboards, signs, every magazine had Batman somewhere in the book. There's an ad for a TV. Yeah, you had MTV with the videos. Uh yeah, it was that that year it was all Batman and Ghostbusters 2 with the ghost. Mina. Making the two simple. That was. That was the symbolism of that entire summer was. Batman with And least the weapon too? I mean, yeah. But then Tim please. It's lethal. The one armed drummer losing his arm, okay? And I'll watch part two. I do worry about him. That's my number one. After you saw this, did you say? I like this better than Superman. Not at all. Luke is still trying to convert you. He still tries to, you know, what's better, Senior Man or Batman. And we'll always know.

1:11:46 Put a bullet against Christopher Reeves' head, but ding, bounces off. Mike Eaton's head, blink, dead. And not with his not with his plexi rubber cowl. It would bounce off. That thing, and that may be superman, Batman cheated. Batman cheese. The only way to defeat Superman, let me poison him for a little bit. No, that's cheating. Be a man. Step up. And Superman could kill him at any moment. doesn't. He's a better superhero. He doesn't cheat. They didn't say, I want to break your leg so you can't walk after me. No. He doesn't do that. You are very passionate about it. Those movies don't even exist to me. Feeling more. We've been to this. Yeah. David, he's he just go who's two other people, David Temp, both. Gabriel T. Superman. Between the two, probably Batman. All right, well, then it's all even out. We got two Superman lovers, two Batman lovers. Two are wrong, two are right. Superman is my second favorite. There's nothing wrong with that. Batman's probably my second favorite.

1:12:47 I'm a little bit because that's my son. He wants to argue. He wants, we always do. You are. Cause I am right, you are wrong. That that's it. All right, Dave number one. Dave's number one. Of a Batman villain. Fuck, okay. Yeah, you skipped me. I'm sorry. Cause we're so upset about Batman for Zuberman, and I'm so upset I can't breathe. My number one was already set, okay? On fire. Oh, you fucking love that show. Yeah. You. All about Colin Farrell. Was it on? It was on HBO Max. So every time it dropped, oh. No matter what we were doing, surgery. We had to stop surgery to watch. Fucking penguin. That show was fantastic. It was fantastic. It was, it was everybody, and even the girl who was on. Cristin Milioti, I just thought about her. Like, that's another entry for my list. Honorable mention, buddy. Oh yeah, yeah. Well, I think it's a good idea. Is that above Fight Club or under Seinfeld? It's in between. I don't think Temp ever finished the penguin.

1:13:53 No, no, he doesn't know. Yeah, I'm only like part way through like the fourth episode. The last one of those is really fucking sad. I'll say that. It it tiny. Luke, excellent choice. Thank you for doing all this the way it should be done. Thank you. Days? No, now you've hurt my feelings. So my number one on my incorrect list. And I went back to the to the You know, like it I have a list and I can I'll show you some of the people, like how deep I dove into this. And Tim, it's good Tim is on because some of the people, Tim knows more about them than we do, because Tim knows more about comics than we do. He does. But there are people on this list I'm like, holy shit. Well, now I got to put that on the list. I was sitting here like really upset yesterday while I was watching the flyers. I was like, come on, flyers. Come on, list. Um so Going back to my least favorite Batman movie, but the way I made the list. Danny DeVito as the penguin, which was the highlight of that movie. Yeah. He was the best part of the movie. But my number one all-time.

1:15:02 Something that a Batman villain also was in. Is it's always sunny in Philadelphia. Why aren't you telling us what anything is? Like what? What is that building over there? Uh it's a big building. It's a brick building. Red brick building. I don't know what the hell it is. It's an old building. Can you please use the microphone? It's very difficult for people to hear back. Oh, okay. Oh, the microphone. Okay. All right. You hear that? Yeah. Okay, well, we're on the Schuylkill River, and it's home to many weird fish-like creatures, and also the depository of All of the unsolved crimes and murders in Philadelphia.

1:16:07 So it's I should have set that up. He he's he still's a riverboat. Tour guide in the Schuylkill and all the Japanese tours. And then later he's like, you know, my name's Frank. I like to bang a lot of whores. That's what I do. So. My number one is Frank Reynolds. I mean, that's on every list that it can be. It's always sunny and scientists. It's like neck and neck. I misunderstood the assignment. Totally understand. I totally provide. We understand your misunderstanding. Frank Reynolds is one of the greatest things to ever happen. on planet Earth. There was Jesus. There was Elon Musk. And in between, not in this order, it was Frank Reynolds because that's it. That's just it. How come you never watched the show? I don't know. I just, I don't know. And I heard it's great. And I Believe you guys. You you like to watch like

1:17:09 Crummy shows, but like, yeah, high-quality entertainment. You're like, eh. And if, and if it's if. If you find out about it like two weeks after it comes out, it's too late. I can't watch it. Well, Tim is spot on with that. It's not two weeks later, but like Breaking Bad and this, like shit that people adore. I feel like, oh my God, there's like eight, nine, 10, 20 seasons. Like, I don't have time for that. And it's sad that I didn't hook on immediately. But you do have time. You just skip out watching The Littlest Groom and performing as. And the search air next air. You watch a lot of dumb, dumb show. I totally agree. Yeah, you watched that. Thing where they like flip the houses or whatever. It's like a real estate thing. It's called Beach Hunt Bargain. No, what's it called? N nineties. Well, that was its thing too that was on, the nineties flip in the house with hosted by Urkel. I did watch that. Yeah, instead of watching that. Yeah. When you get tempted to watch Urkel flip a house, say, let's watch.

1:18:15 But it also had Matthew Lawrence on it. And it had it after he did it. Did he go, did I flip land? It had Brandon Austin Green was on too, as a contestant. I mean, whenever you get tempted to watch for those, just say, let's go and watch. Frank's pretty woman. What? It's not like dick skin. Whatever Derek? I'm afraid you can't sleep. You go first, Luke. What's your am I first? Yeah, you. I'm afraid to sit here where Dave lives. He's going to mention. I mean, I will be here the rest of the goddamn day. I had Burgess Meredith from the original Adam West. I had Margot Robbie as Harley Quinn. I do love her. Wasn't with Mickey. And I have Uma Thurman as poison ivy. I I did enjoy her as poison ivy. I didn't have much. Luke, what about you? I got Jim Carrey. Okay. Inspired you on your list. Okay. Margot Robbie. Okay. Troy Baker.

1:19:16 Who was who was that? Who is that? He loves Troy Baker. He's the voice, first of all, of of Joel. Yeah, he's on Last of Us. But he also who did do in in Batman. He voices like Batman in the cartoons, games. Oh, he does he's Batman. He voices Baby, but he also voices some joker. Yeah. You look to his face. If you had done your list correctly, you could have had The Last of Us on your list. That's number one. Alright. Dave, what's your album mentions? All right. I mean, this show's been very long, so I don't want to waste anybody else's time, but I could do a top five per villain. So Penguin was Rocky III, Burgess Meredith. It's always Sunny Danny DeVito. Horrible bosses with Colin Farrell, Caddyshack, Seinfeld, which I said, and Stephen Root. voice the Penguin So office space. So that's just the penguin, the joker, the shining fight club. Zach Galifianakis, was him in the Lego movie? Oh, he was, yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah. So the hangover, I said Mark Hamill, and Michael Emerson.

1:20:24 Did him in some, I think that Gotham show, maybe? Yeah, he was the guy from Lost, where is he? He's from Lost. So, Lost. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The Riddler, Paul Dano. From there will be blood. carry the cable guy. Conan O'Brien. was the Riddler in the Lego movie. So he was Late night with Conan O'Brien. John Michael Higgins was the Riddler, best in show. And John Astin was. took over for Frank Gorshen on the old TV show European Vacation. Damn, you know what's weird, Dave? I can see why you had a hard time because there's so many out there. Yeah. Yeah. Catwoman was short. Eartha Kitt, boomerang, and Halle Berry also in boomerang and the last Boy Scout. This is the one that I like. This is an honorable mention. Pulp fucking fiction is an honorable mention on my list. Uma Thurman. Bane, Danny Trejo was Bane. on something, a voice, so con air.

1:21:25 Yeah. Two-Face, Billy D. Williams, Emperor Straight Expect, Tommy Lee Jones, Natural Born Killers, Scarecrow, Cillian Murphy, 28 Days Later, Ra's al Ghul, Liam Neeson, Love Actually. Mr. Freeze, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Predator is an honorable mention on my list. Harley Quinn, Margot Robbie, once upon a time in Hollywood. Dead shot. Will Smith, I am legend. King Shark Sylvester Stallone I'll go back to Rocky 3. Professor Hugo Strange, Tim. us out with this one. This is a comic villain, right? Yeah, um Hugo Strange. I he had there's never been a live action Hugo Strange. PD1. BD Wong. Okay. So, so probably one of One of those um Straight to video, like animated films. Maybe so, Jurassic Park, BD1. Yeah, Clayface, Alan Tudyk, Dodgeball.

1:22:31 Love Alan Tudyk guy, actually. I do love it. Max Schreck. Christopher Walkin true romance slash wedding crashers. Carmine Falcone, John Turturro, or Brother, where art thou? And the one that I thought when I thought we were doing the same thing, Egghead. Vincent Price thriller. Right. Oh my god. Purge that from myself. The fuck because that's why I was confused when you were like, Can we have 10? I'm like, no, just pick five out of the, you know, maybe 15-20 people who we portrayed. And I realized I needed 10. I don't have pulp fiction or late night with Connor Brian on my list. They felt horrible putting leaving that out. True romance? Come on. I fucked up. England played the Riddler in some Democratoon, didn't he? I saw Robert Englund on a thing, but there's no way Nightmare at Elm Street was even going to crack this list. Wow, Dave did Like seven best of five lists right now. Yeah. What's Tim's favorite villain portrayal in the way that you guys did it from anything?

1:23:40 Uh I mean Heath Ledger would be He would be the one, yeah. Although I will say, um Oh shoot. In in Dark Knight. Uh the dark the uh Batman Begins. Um shoot, what is that? He played he played Carmine Falcone, basically. Oh yeah, um what is his name? I see his face. He's great in everything he does. British guy, Tom Wilkinson. Tom Wilkinson. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Rest in peace. He, uh, Yeah, he plays Falcone so good in that. Like when he's at the table in the bar. And that's just that scene is so good. He just does such a great job. And then later on. When he's, you know, he's in Arkham and he's like trying to get out. He's like, oh, yeah, I'm seeing things. The walls are closing in. I'm like, I thought he was, I thought he was so good in Batman Begins. I love that. That's a really good one. Did anybody have which I thought would be on Dave's list for sure?

1:24:41 Joaquin Phoenix is Joker? Oh, I don't think so. Because I did the listing correctly. I was like, okay, Joaquin Phoenix Joker. He's my favorite Joker, even better than I like him better than he. Okay. But I wasn't picking Batman movies. That's why I didn't put Heath Ledger on my thing because Heath Ledger's greatest performance is The Joker. And I was like, no, fuck Batman. We're doing other movies, but I was wrong. So, yeah, that one is admitting when you're wrong. That Joaquin Phoenix Joker performance is an all-timer. Like next time you and Dave had to communicate better. I think I guess so. He texted me. I read it and I'm like. Sure. We each thought we knew what we were talking about and we were each right, but I was wrong. Um and I heard Tim say this and I have said this from day one and I will hoist him upon my shoulders like a young man at his bar mitzvah. Yeah. Joker 2. Is

1:25:42 One of the most. maligned and um Overlooked and highly critical for no reason movies of all time. I Yeah, I this this is one They're alone. I agree. And Well I he I hear you, Dave, loud and clear. I didn't hear Tim's cutting out. As soon as you were like, huh, Tim, he's like, hi. And then that's it.

1:26:48 This so it was it wasn't my mic, it was him. Yeah. I think he's gone now too. It's on mute. Yeah, I heard it. All right. I'll resume the recording and I'll just say we lost him. Okay, well so we lost him. plugging my thing and I was like, oh shit, I can't hear anything Tim's saying it's because He's gone. Yeah, yeah. Tim is gone. Like the. like the critical reviews of Clayface. To just out. Well we I'm so glad Tim was on the whole we turn cutting out here. Oh, he's back. Is he back? All right, I'm back. Okay, here he is. We hear a word you said. Yeah, no, I yeah, it I My by uh internet here like all of a sudden will just like burp out every once in a while. And so just like for no reason, all of a sudden just it just like kicks you off for just like a minute.

1:27:51 Nashville is trying to censor your thoughts on Joker 2. Joker 2. Yeah, yeah. I had a whole thing, but yeah. Um I'm sure it was eloquent. Yeah, I made a lot of points. Just re-say it, Tim. No, it's no, I mean, it's just basically what it is: you had all these masculine dudes, and all of a sudden, you have a movie that. comes out and it's a musical. And somebody guys are like, oh, I'm not going to watch a musical. That's gay. And oh, Lady Gaga's in it. Oh my God. No, she does gay things. And I think, I honestly think that's what a lot of it had to do with. It had to do with people's insecurities. And that movie's so fucking awesome. I don't know if it's better than the first. And it's not, I wouldn't say it's better than the first. The first. you know, was good and it didn't necessarily need a sequel. The s the sequel we got. Top nuts. Well said.

1:28:51 I agree. Well said. Yay. Sim, I want to thank you for Calling me, hey, do you want to be on? And you were like, yeah, sure. So. I guess what I'm trying to say is that we will see you all. Next time, same bad channel, same bad podcast on best of fives.

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