Listen and enjoy as Stephen and I discuss the future of The Independent Group, its possible impact on British politics, parallels with the SDP and what it means for the Liberal Democrats.

With a shoutout to the Polling Matters podcast episode which took a look at TIG polling and the Times Red Box podcast interview with Anna Soubry.

Stephen and Mark discuss three things they don't like.

A few follow-up links for what we discussed:

• Finnish universal basic income trial and thoughts from my time on a policy working group looking at the subject.

Mark Pack and Stephen Tall discuss Paddy Ashdown, Lib Dem strategy and our obsession with US politics. Brexit nearly doesn't get mentioned.

Stephen Tall and Mark Pack talk about their favourite political podcasts and commentators, what the government should be doing if it wasn't consumed by Brexit and the Liberal Democrats.